1962 China war can't be repeated: Indian Army chief

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Kunal these are excellent questions which many of us can only speculate because
I don't think any operational strategies will be made public.
 

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Even if we assume in public that there is a solid strategy in place, What about other factors which are known and ultimately effect any strategy in place ?
 
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Even if we assume in public that there is a solid strategy in place, What about other factors which are known and ultimately effect any strategy in place ?
The political obstacles are bigger than any military obstacles IMO.
 

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Ignorance is a bliss ! Why this General is speaking like MMS ?

With China we have 40% chances to win at maximum.
 

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I think if India and China are facing a coming war within next 3-5 yrs, the situation for India would even worse than 1962, reasons:

1. At 1962, the general nation strength between India and China were almost same (maybe India was even stronger),
but if you compare the current GDP of China mainland plus Hong Kong is almost 5 times than Indian; and for the industry output even much higher, if we considering India's 70% GDP comes from service sectors which can't transferred to be industry capability easily.

2. Geographic advantage: Generally speaking, New Delhi is 300km something away from the frontier, but Beijing is 3000km...

In 1962 because of the weakness after "1959-1962 great leap forward" and the riot of Tibet 1959; PLA was almost with very poor logistics and backend support from inland China, and can't launch any long range attack.

Now let's assume a 300km-500km short range of missile or aircraft would attack your most important city New Delhi, but from India you might need 1500km-2000km weapon to hit our important west city like Chengdu (which is still not that important to China's political and industry core capability). If you considering the cost ratio between 300km to 1500km weapon, China no doubt has better sustainability.

3. Infrastructure: The military action now powered by Qinghai-Tibet railway system, and also the road system along the borders, which are better built than India side.


Generally, in fact after 1962 the gap between India & China on military and nation strength is getting bigger... Sad but true to my Indian friends...

Keep on dreaming.....try us one more time ;)
 

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India is (NO 1) World's largest arms importers since Kargil war.......:taunt1:
 

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Firstly our leader ship needs to complete defense projects in time and then talk about going up against China...we always blame Russians for delay in delivering but what about us? are we fulfilling our defense forces needs on time? Firstly we take decades to decide platform, then we take decades on negotiating and then we require random 3-4 years to sign the deal. Chinese have shown their 2nd stealth fighter and we are yet to sign MRCA deal...
 

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"""Chinese have shown their 2nd stealth fighter and we are yet to sign MRCA deal..."""" ..... If China has made stealth fighter :rofl:, than we have secret version of LCA Tejas which is invisible to naked eyes let-alone to any radar ......its all info-war..

SU-30MKI is tailor made best air superiority fighter and we rule da sky :hail: {{{only f-22 is lil better :p}}
 

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I doubt if there is going to be a war between China and India any time soon but there seems to be no question that India Military is substantialy inferior to Chinas. Especially in air power and in a world of smart bombs you are not going to win without air superiority. India has to address its economic problems if its going to build a strong enough military to stand up to China.
 

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I doubt if there is going to be a war between China and India any time soon

yeaaah dragon is building all that infrastructure in Tibet , to play leggo games - they claim arunachal for the fun of it eh ? "¦. Its' when folks like you say there's no possibility of war (like our JWN ) and with our wonderful new chief of staff ( Brajesh Singh ? ) saying more or less likewise ? .... then we better be ready , not panic but steadily improve defences "¦.

A war with china could happen any time now - all the parallels with '62 are exactly there ( not that they had to be there) "¦and dragon likely to win some incremental territory although they will lose some real serious BLOOD - but hah do they care about that ?

It isn't fun having to admit that , but with the goi taking almost a decade to settle the rafale deal , im just being realistic !

I'd say dragon will pick a time during the elections when there might be political and leadership turmoil in India - elections are due 2014 "¦so anytime between now and political turmoil around elections time and shortly thereafter especially if there is a coalition govt and no strong leadership

Also if India drag their feet too long over military acquisitions eg the rafale is still being negotiated on some terms -actual production hasn't even started
 

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Regarding Roads :


India's border roads programme is mired in bullshit!

Fifty years ago, on September 20, 1962, the first shots were fired at Thag La. Yesterday, the army chief, General Bikram Singh, vowed that there would never be a replay of 1962, when an ill-prepared Indian Army was militarily humiliated in a carefully choreographed offensive by China's People's Liberation Army (PLA). Those brave words need to be backed by preparation. In terms of military build-up along the McMahon Line, the Indian army, despite recent efforts, is far from matching its opponent.

China's biggest advantage is that of the aggressor: since it can decide when to strike and where, it could quickly concentrate some 10-12 divisions, about 200,000 combat soldiers, on a narrow front defended by just a couple of Indian brigades, moving swiftly over a handsome new transport network. This includes the 1,956-km Qinghai-Tibet railway, inaugurated in 2006, which allows troops to be moved swiftly from China into Tibet, and another five rail lines being built from Lhasa to the border. These are backed up with superb four-lane highways. The Indian Army has as many men in the sector, but they are strung out along a frontline hundreds of kilometres long, with forward positions many days' walk from the road heads. Even if India learns about an ongoing Chinese build-up, say from improved satellite surveillance or from its sources in Tibet, it would take so long – three weeks – to reposition its troops at the threatened point that the battle would be over by then.

India's poor border infrastructure also limits the utility of the formations that New Delhi is raising — a mountain strike corps of 40,000 soldiers and an armoured brigade with about 200 tanks. Until India can build better roads and railways that would allow the army to reposition and concentrate more quickly, its generals have little choice but to continue deploying increasing numbers of troops in inhospitable, high-altitude, forward pickets, hoping that they can block a PLA offensive till reinforcements are moved up. This is hardly a happy situation.

The obvious solution is to quickly build better roads and railways that could allow the Indian army to match the PLA's deployment timings (one week). Far-sighted policy planners, such as former foreign secretary Shyam Saran, pushed a range of schemes to build strategic roads in border areas through agencies like the Border Roads Organisation (BRO). Implementation, however, has been slow. Problems with land acquisition and clearances; the rugged terrain and harsh climate; and the need for more helicopters to move men and material are the government's stated reasons for the slow progress. It is time the Centre and states co-ordinated their efforts to create a suitable road network. This is not just a military imperative, but it would also do much to bring economic development and jobs to the people of India's far-flung border regions.

Broadsword: Roads to readiness: defending the China border
 

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200 tanks Only and they are too Imported and most importantly they are On paper now..

Some 140+ arty piece are too imported and still on paper..

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I am listening..
 

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next war with China will be war of missiles not the kind, what our Chief is thinking. China has cruise missiles with range and quantity, that can take out our infrastructure, man and material. Wont be surprised if missiles start landing at New Delhi or Hindon airbase to scare off our politicians. Plus Pakistan taking advantage of situation and start doing all sort of mischief. Worse case would be two front war. Every day we are getting stronger, hope it get delayed next 5-7 years, then CHINA will know it wont be worth fighting this war. By that time all our major weapon system will become operational, including Nirbhy in thousands.
 
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next war with China will be war of missiles not the kind, what our Chief is thinking. China has cruise missiles with range and quantity, that can take out our infrastructure, man and material. Wont be surprised if missiles start landing at New Delhi or Hindon airbase to scare off our politicians. Plus Pakistan taking advantage of situation and start doing all sort of mischief. Worse case would be two front war. Every day we are getting stronger, hope it get delayed next 5-7 years, then CHINA will know it wont be worth fighting this war. By that time all our major weapon system will become operational, including Nirbhy in thousands.


Searching security in tomorrow since 1962 till that the country was asking Himalayas to defend India !!

But wars are fought today !!
 

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Cruise also Balletic Missiles are just one more tool in any kind of War with anyone Now or in near future, There are bigger issues than Scared Politicians..
 
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India has the advantage. The simplest strategy for India is to cut Chinese supply lines off and choke them off.
 

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India has the advantage. The simplest strategy for India is to cut Chinese supply lines off and choke them off.
You mean at Sino - Tibet border ?? Or Indo Tibet border ?? Or allow them to come deep inside India and then cut their line of communication ?? Where ??
 

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next war with China will be war of missiles not the kind, what our Chief is thinking. China has cruise missiles with range and quantity, that can take out our infrastructure, man and material. Wont be surprised if missiles start landing at New Delhi or Hindon airbase to scare off our politicians. Plus Pakistan taking advantage of situation and start doing all sort of mischief. Worse case would be two front war. Every day we are getting stronger, hope it get delayed next 5-7 years, then CHINA will know it wont be worth fighting this war. By that time all our major weapon system will become operational, including Nirbhy in thousands.
War of missile as between Iraq and Iran ?? No way ! As per Chinese next war will be short, very intense, decisive, limited and may be local and high technology warfare. Missiles may play a part in that .

Missile warfare per say is standoff and attritional, long drawn and waste of time and efforts warfare which will achieve nothing. There is lot of firepower in Afghanistan but that does not achieve much. One needs boots on ground to manifest victory !!
 

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