16th NAM (Non Aligned Movement) summit in Tehran, Iran

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But once they were established, they did have freedom and democracy for its citizens. They are better any day.
I think the people here are criticizing America for its crimes against other peoples. Most Americans themselves live in a bubble and are totally removed from the actions and policies of their government (especially foreign policy/relations), and are also generally ignorant of history.
 

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I think the people here are criticizing America for its crimes against other peoples. Most Americans themselves live in a bubble and are totally removed from the actions and policies of their government (especially foreign policy/relations), and are also generally ignorant of history.
Do you have any research to base that conclusion. And compared to whom, the litteracy rate in India is 74.04%, quite a bit less for women. Where do they learn all this history, what makes you think Americans live in a bubble are removed from the actions and policies of their goverment, at least more the any other country or India. 8 out 10 americans have a computer,, thats men women and children. only 15 people out of a 1000 have computers in India,,,,,,762 out of a 1000 have computers in the USA.
 
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don't get offended what i meant is that to restore a first world power after war is easy compered to turning a 3 world country to a first world country
to restore a first world power all you need is money and time
to turn a 3 world country to a first world country you need to change the civilization thru education this is a long difficult journey
that India is mid way thru and Africa has just began
Your concept of first world and third world country is wrong.

first world -> being allied to the west
second world -> being allied to the soviets
third world -> non-aligned

But then again none can stop you from making up stuff on perception strength.
 
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what makes you think Americans live in a bubble are removed from the actions and policies of their goverment, at least more the any other country or India. 8 out 10 americans have a computer,, thats men women and children. only 15 people out of a 1000 have computers in India,,,,,,762 out of a 1000 have computers in the USA.
I don't want to intrude in the rest of the debate you guys are having here. But have one thing to say - having more computers has nothing to do with the level of awareness and involvement a society has with any actions of its Government. Computers themselves are barely a few decades old.

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Virendra
 

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Do you have any research to base that conclusion. And compared to whom, the litteracy rate in India is 74.04%, quite a bit less for women. Where do they learn all this history, what makes you think Americans live in a bubble are removed from the actions and policies of their goverment, at least more the any other country or India. 8 out 10 americans have a computer,, thats men women and children. only 15 people out of a 1000 have computers in India,,,,,,762 out of a 1000 have computers in the USA.
The average Indian is even more ignorant than the average American. But India is a 'Third World' country while the U.S. is in the 'First World', so they can be hardly compared. Also, there was no need to bring up India at all, since my post was only about America.
 

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Are you kidding me.
Even ----ing Gorky pissed in his pants due to fear of Stalin and changed his political positions to just to live.
Millions of educated Chinese and students were made to work in farms for communes and its mismanagement lead to deaths by starving.
Do you think this is propaganda.

Yes, Americans too have cracked down on communists in US in 30s and 40s. All this after completely eliminating Red Indians a couple of century before. I don't consider them angles.
But once they were established, they did have freedom and democracy for its citizens. They are better any day.
The economic warfare conducted by USA and its side kick UK on the world, since 1922, has impoverished more people globally than any Mao or Stalin. The consequences of this economic warfare are myriad- very low living standards to support American living standards, executions and assassinations of elected heads of state, by giving massive loans and then calling in these loans - which countries cannot repay in a lifetime- they take control local resources. Why are most African mines owned by British even now? Why is Russia kicking out BP out of the Sakhalin fields?

In this shocking memoir, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins tells of his own inner journey from willing servant of empire to impassioned advocate for the rights of oppressed people. Covertly recruited by the United States National Security Agency and on the payroll of an international consulting firm, he traveled the world—to Indonesia, Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and other strategically important countries. His job was to implement policies that promoted the interests of the U.S. corporatocracy (a coalition of government, banks, and corporations) while professing to alleviate poverty—policies that alienated many nations and ultimately led to September 11 and growing anti-Americanism.

That is what we EHMs do best: we build a global empire. We are an elite group of men and women who utilize international financial organizations to foment conditions that make other nations subservient to the corporatocracy running our biggest corporations, our government, and our banks. Like our counterparts in the Mafia, EHMs provide favors. These take the form of loans to develop infrastructure —electric generating plants, highways, ports, airports, or industrial parks. A condition of such loans is that engineering and construction companies from our own country must build all these projects. In essence, most of the money never leaves the United States; it is simply transferred from banking offices in Washington to engineering offices in New York, Houston, or San Francisco.

Despite the fact that the money is returned almost immediately to corporations that are members of the corporatocracy (the creditor), the recipient country is required to pay it all back, principal plus interest. If an EHM is completely successful, the loans are so large that the debtor is forced to default on its payments after a few years. When this happens, then like the Mafia we demand our pound of flesh. This often includes one or more of the following: control over United Nations votes, the installation of military bases, or access to precious resources such as oil or the Panama Canal. Of course, the debtor still owes us the money—and another country is added to our global empire.
http://www.economichitman.com/pages/bookpages/excerpt.html
Of course setting up killing fields all over the world is what the American government has done very well. But when the killing field reached its own lands in the form on 9/11 they just got another reason to expand their hegemony all around the world.

Mao may have killed a billion people, Stalin also the same. They were evil individuals. Just like Churchill was. but what USA does is institutionalized engagement.
 
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Mao may have killed a billion people, Stalin also the same. They were evil individuals. Just like Churchill was. but what USA does is institutionalized engagement.
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Only weak whine about how the other is preying upon them while they would not hesitate to do the same when the tables are reversed.

US does what it does in its own national interest. And they are perfectly justified in doing so. Just because we believe in a fake fuddu pacifism and turning the other cheek does not mean every nation should be like that. Indians may be proud sending dossiers, but the Americans aint.
 

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Only weak whine about how the other is preying upon them while they would not hesitate to do the same when the tables are reversed.

US does what it does in its own national interest. And they are perfectly justified in doing so. Just because we believe in a fake fuddu pacifism and turning the other cheek does not mean every nation should be like that. Indians may be proud sending dossiers, but the Americans aint.
I take it your whining will stop starting today ?

:troll:

USA can do a genocide and say they did it in there national interest and half of the "moaners" wouldn't call them out on it. Fact is they do a genocide and justify it by saying they were bringing democracy. Many dont bash western policy as much as they bash western hypocracy.
 

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The way I see World War III started on 911 and we wont live long enought to see the end of it will span decades, it will be episodic, it will come and go in flash points, it will be asymmetrical, it will shift from nation states to places, maybe just individuals or groups, or places like Yemen, Pakistan or Somalia and this is going to go on for decades I believe that World War III has begun and we are going to have to change our mindset about what it going to take to diligently pursue and prosecute and defend our interests I dont have any doubt that in the end that the USA and its alllies will win because what we are fighting for is the world of the future where men are heading into space while our enemys are fighting for the past where religion rules and women are treated like cattle.
 

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The way I see World War III started on 911 and we wont live long enought to see the end of it will span decades, it will be episodic, it will come and go in flash points, it will be asymmetrical, it will shift from nation states to places, maybe just individuals or groups, or places like Yemen, Pakistan or Somalia and this is going to go on for decades I believe that World War III has begun and we are going to have to change our mindset about what it going to take to diligently pursue and prosecute and defend our interests I dont have any doubt that in the end that the USA and its alllies will win because what we are fighting for is the world of the future where men are heading into space while our enemys are fighting for the past where religion rules and women are treated like cattle.
Wow. I wish that were true. If that's the case, why does the UE support genocidal, tyrannical regimes throughout the world such as the middle east autocrats, African dictators and the madmen in Pakistan?

Forget foreign policy, American domestic policies lead to the criminal prosecution of 80 year old grandmas for downloading a few songs off the internet!
 

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I take it your whining will stop starting today ?
That points which were unanswerable were dubbed 'whining' and I being the ever so gracious let it pass :sad:

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USA can do a genocide and say they did it in there national interest and half of the "moaners" wouldn't call them out on it. Fact is they do a genocide and justify it by saying they were bringing democracy. Many dont bash western policy as much as they bash western hypocracy.
What is the use in calling ? Again point is Indians are so neck deep in some fake fuddu pacifism and moralistic bullshit that such things will only appear as unfair to them. But that is how the world is sweet heart. There is no equality and might rules the weak. The romans did, the mongold did, the arabs did, the europeans did and now americans do.

And again the american genocide is over-hyped. There have been many cases where the US genuinely went for human rights like Kosovo etc.
 

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Manmohan in Tehran, asks NAM to take clear stand on Syria
Good one! :rofl:

Manmohan and talking about taking a stand!

This has to be the joke of the week. HAHAHAHA!
 

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US Radio Host: Iran's International Profile Raised through Hosting NAM Summit



American writer and radio host Stephen Lendman believes that the successful arrangement and hosting of the 16th heads-of-state Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in Tehran was diplomatically a triumph for the Islamic Republic, which disappointed Israel and the United States and helped Iran improve its political profile on the international scene.

Lendman believes that despite the US and Israeli propaganda, the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) summit in Tehran which wrapped up on Friday was a great diplomatic victory for Iran and meant a great defeat and failure for the US and the Zionist regime of Israel.

What follows is the full text of Fars News Agency's interview with Stephen Lendman in which a number of issues pertaining to the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Tehran, the frustration of Western powers at the successful summit in Tehran, the attendance of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi at the summit, the prospects of the movement under Iran's presidency and the role it can play in fostering global peace and stability were discussed.

Full discussion @ Fars News Agency :: US Radio Host: Iran's International Profile Raised through Hosting NAM Summit
 

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US Radio Host: Iran's International Profile Raised through Hosting NAM Summit



American writer and radio host Stephen Lendman believes that the successful arrangement and hosting of the 16th heads-of-state Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in Tehran was diplomatically a triumph for the Islamic Republic, which disappointed Israel and the United States and helped Iran improve its political profile on the international scene.

Lendman believes that despite the US and Israeli propaganda, the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) summit in Tehran which wrapped up on Friday was a great diplomatic victory for Iran and meant a great defeat and failure for the US and the Zionist regime of Israel.

What follows is the full text of Fars News Agency's interview with Stephen Lendman in which a number of issues pertaining to the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Tehran, the frustration of Western powers at the successful summit in Tehran, the attendance of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi at the summit, the prospects of the movement under Iran's presidency and the role it can play in fostering global peace and stability were discussed.

Full discussion @ Fars News Agency :: US Radio Host: Iran's International Profile Raised through Hosting NAM Summit
 

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