15 dead in "terrorist attack" in China's Xinjian

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  1. Ray

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    15 dead in "terrorist attack" in China's Xinjian

    A total of 15 people died in an "attack" in China's Xinjiang region on Friday, with eight "terrorists" shot dead by police and three blowing themselves up, having killed four people, authorities said.

    BEIJING: A total of 15 people died in an "attack" in China's Xinjiang region on Friday, with eight "terrorists" shot dead by police and three blowing themselves up, having killed four people, authorities said.

    The incident in Aksu prefecture is the latest violence in the restive region home to mostly Muslim ethnic Uighurs.

    "Eight terrorists were killed by police and three by their own suicide bomb during a terrorist attack Friday afternoon," the Xinhua official news agency said, citing police.

    Riding motorbikes and cars carrying LNG cylinders, the group approached police officers near a park in Wushi county as they prepared to go on patrol, it said.

    The Tianshan web portal, which is run by the Xinjiang government, said that as well as the 11 attackers, two police and two passersby were killed, and one assailant detained. Photos posted on the site showed a charred police van and jeep.

    Xinjiang police and information officers reached by phone declined to comment to AFP. Wushi government and police officials could not be reached.

    Aksu, in the far west of Xinjiang near the border with Kyrgyzstan, was the scene of triple explosions in late January that killed at least three people, according to Tianshan. Police shot dead six people soon afterwards.

    Xinhua, citing a police investigation, described those blasts as "organised, premeditated terrorist attacks".

    The vast and resource-rich region of Xinjiang has for years been hit by occasional unrest carried out by Uighurs, which rights groups say is driven by cultural oppression, intrusive security measures and immigration by Han Chinese.

    Authorities routinely attribute such incidents to "terrorists", and argue that China faces a violent separatist movement in the area motivated by religious extremism and linked to foreign terrorist groups.

    "Terrorist attacks" totalled 190 in 2012, "increasing by a significant margin from 2011", Xinhua said, citing regional authorities.

    But experts question the strength of any resistance movement, and information in the area is hard to independently verify.

    A spokesman for the overseas World Uyghur Congress, Dilshat Rexit, blamed the latest incident on what he called China's violent policies.

    "Chinese armed officers' violent rooting out and provocation are the reason for Uighur resistance," he said in an emailed statement.

    "The so-called terrorism is China's political excuse of directly shooting dead those who take a stand."

    The most serious recent incident took place in Turpan last June, leaving at least 35 people dead.

    In October, three family members from Xinjiang died when they drove a car into crowds of tourists in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, the symbolic heart of the Chinese state, killing two, before the vehicle burst into flames, according to authorities.

    China's top security official Meng Jianzhu said days later that the attackers had "behind-the-scenes supporters" belonging to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) based outside the country.

    The United States and the United Nations both categorised ETIM as a terrorist organisation in 2002, during a period of increased US-Chinese cooperation following the 9/11 attacks.

    But the group's strength and links to global terrorism are murky, and some experts say China exaggerates its threat to justify tough security measures in Xinjiang.

    Last month, police arrested the prominent Beijing-based Uighur scholar Ilham Tohti, a rare outspoken critic of the government's policies towards the ethnic group, accusing him of being involved in separatist activities.

    Xinjiang -- which covers a sixth of China's territory -- contains 30 per cent of China's onshore oil and gas deposits and 40 percent of its coal, according to the official website china.org.

    As of 2011, Uighurs made up 47 per cent of the population and Han Chinese 38 per cent, according to official Xinjiang figures. In 1949 by contrast, Han, China's dominant majority, accounted for six per cent.

    The region has seen tremendous economic growth, but critics argue that the development mainly benefits the influx of Han Chinese.

    Clashes involving Uighurs and Han in the region's capital of Urumqi in 2009 left around 200 people dead.

    15 dead in "terrorist attack" in China's Xinjiang - Channel NewsAsia

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    Terrorism seems to be on the rise in Xinjiang.

    Even the Han Chinese report that 15 dead in "terrorist attack" in China's Xinjian

    A total of 15 people died in an "attack" in China's Xinjiang region on Friday, with eight "terrorists" shot dead by police and three blowing themselves up, having killed four people, authorities said.

    BEIJING: A total of 15 people died in an "attack" in China's Xinjiang region on Friday, with eight "terrorists" shot dead by police and three blowing themselves up, having killed four people, authorities said.

    The incident in Aksu prefecture is the latest violence in the restive region home to mostly Muslim ethnic Uighurs.

    "Eight terrorists were killed by police and three by their own suicide bomb during a terrorist attack Friday afternoon," the Xinhua official news agency said, citing police.

    Riding motorbikes and cars carrying LNG cylinders, the group approached police officers near a park in Wushi county as they prepared to go on patrol, it said.

    The Tianshan web portal, which is run by the Xinjiang government, said that as well as the 11 attackers, two police and two passersby were killed, and one assailant detained. Photos posted on the site showed a charred police van and jeep.

    Xinjiang police and information officers reached by phone declined to comment to AFP. Wushi government and police officials could not be reached.

    Aksu, in the far west of Xinjiang near the border with Kyrgyzstan, was the scene of triple explosions in late January that killed at least three people, according to Tianshan. Police shot dead six people soon afterwards.

    Xinhua, citing a police investigation, described those blasts as "organised, premeditated terrorist attacks".

    The vast and resource-rich region of Xinjiang has for years been hit by occasional unrest carried out by Uighurs, which rights groups say is driven by cultural oppression, intrusive security measures and immigration by Han Chinese.

    Authorities routinely attribute such incidents to "terrorists", and argue that China faces a violent separatist movement in the area motivated by religious extremism and linked to foreign terrorist groups.

    "Terrorist attacks" totalled 190 in 2012, "increasing by a significant margin from 2011", Xinhua said, citing regional authorities.

    But experts question the strength of any resistance movement, and information in the area is hard to independently verify.

    A spokesman for the overseas World Uyghur Congress, Dilshat Rexit, blamed the latest incident on what he called China's violent policies.

    "Chinese armed officers' violent rooting out and provocation are the reason for Uighur resistance," he said in an emailed statement.

    "The so-called terrorism is China's political excuse of directly shooting dead those who take a stand."

    The most serious recent incident took place in Turpan last June, leaving at least 35 people dead.

    In October, three family members from Xinjiang died when they drove a car into crowds of tourists in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, the symbolic heart of the Chinese state, killing two, before the vehicle burst into flames, according to authorities.

    China's top security official Meng Jianzhu said days later that the attackers had "behind-the-scenes supporters" belonging to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) based outside the country.

    The United States and the United Nations both categorised ETIM as a terrorist organisation in 2002, during a period of increased US-Chinese cooperation following the 9/11 attacks.

    But the group's strength and links to global terrorism are murky, and some experts say China exaggerates its threat to justify tough security measures in Xinjiang.

    Last month, police arrested the prominent Beijing-based Uighur scholar Ilham Tohti, a rare outspoken critic of the government's policies towards the ethnic group, accusing him of being involved in separatist activities.

    Xinjiang -- which covers a sixth of China's territory -- contains 30 per cent of China's onshore oil and gas deposits and 40 percent of its coal, according to the official website china.org.

    As of 2011, Uighurs made up 47 per cent of the population and Han Chinese 38 per cent, according to official Xinjiang figures. In 1949 by contrast, Han, China's dominant majority, accounted for six per cent.

    The region has seen tremendous economic growth, but critics argue that the development mainly benefits the influx of Han Chinese.

    Clashes involving Uighurs and Han in the region's capital of Urumqi in 2009 left around 200 people dead.

    15 dead in "terrorist attack" in China's Xinjiang - Channel NewsAsia

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    Terrorism seems to be on the rise in Xinjiang.

    Even the Han Chinese report contained in Xinhua states that "Terrorist attacks" totalled 190 in 2012, "increasing by a significant margin from 2011",

    It appears that by the passing year the Uighurs are getting further disenchanted with the influx of Han and taking over their (the Uighurs) hearth and home to reap rich benefits solely for the Han and the Mainland Chinese.

    Earlier, Pakistan was taken to be the homebase of the Uighur separatists violent elements.

    This attack indicates that the homebase has expanded to even the quasi Moslem CAR!
     
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  3. Ray

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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    As you sow so shall you reap ! :sad:
     
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    Right, and it is the reason that we crush them for future peace.
     
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    Chinese CCP has their way of dealing things when people do not obey their rules.
     
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    Mercy on hooligans = Cruelty to the innocent / law abiding citizens

    My crystal ball tells me Zhang the new head of Xinjiang, whose predecessor who had to "retire" during the Urumqi riot, has a quite promising career if he delivers... Ex-president Hu Jintao showed guts and competency during his tenure in Tibet hence later had been groomed to the top spot.
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    It may take time for trickle-down effects of Zhang's governance to prove themselves (basically development - jobs for locals, bilingual edu., iron fist - cracking down on religious extremism etc.) against the backdrops of "New Silk Road" design.

    Chinese Xinjiang is quite a success story compared to India administered Kashmir
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    Why Bring IOK into this topic, How about a master CCP imprisons its people in a jail and occasionally takes pics only to publish??

    People do value freedom,human rights, religious freedom etc..etc....., People in China live in constant fear of CCP policemen. Here in India people went nuts when Mamta Banerjee and left parties tried to impose their form of rule.

    I wonder how Chinese people are tolerating this CCP for generations.

    CCP is an oppressor which presents itself as a good ruler.

    Regarding those buildings, infra and all, India is not far away from all those things, But we will do it with democracy.


     
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    u r crushing muslim trained by pakistan. ur deep fry friend
     
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    Some do, more don't.

    The Chinese government predicates its legitimacy on continued economic growth, national pride and territorial integrity. So far, none has deteriorated significantly.

    Too complex a topic to discuss. To form a holistic picture, one needs expertise in multiple disciplines. It's best not to discuss it here, if you're goal is knowledge that is.


    First congrats. Second, you sound too ideological. Peoples change, cultures change, nations change. The best form of government is also ever changing. In theory, it's better to scientifically pick the system of governance most apt for the time and place.
     
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    This is an absurd

    No one wants to be a oppressor under a master. The view that people want to be slaves is a flawed one and hegemony mindset. No wonder CCP continues to rule China in what ever way it wants.


    None of these things compensate the happiness and freedom of the people. The stats related to economic growth, inciting animosity towards Japan and intentionally doing outrageous claims all come under circus, CCP is doing to divert people's attention.


    If you feel it is difficult to discuss then feel free to leave that point.

    I am ideological and I also acknowledge practicality is different from ideals. People change but the needs and aspirations of all human beings are the same. Best form of government and governance is the systems which incorporates acceptance of diversity, democracy and equality.

    The above three principles are applicable to any situation. Only thing one needs to see is that the governance is efficient or not.
     
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    But those goons are orginating from your half brother pakistan soil:confused::thumb:

    now what happened to your everstanding love:lol:
     
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    The Chinese people is oppressed, not straining under the yokes of a despotic government and certainly not enslaved. Otherwise they would have revolted already. The Chinese government is careful not to cross the red line. Most Chinese members on this board have more than passing knowledge of the Chinese society. Learn from them, instead of publicly displaying cognitive dissonance.



    Money can buy happiness. Proof: happiness is a neuro-chemical signal. It can be induced artificially.



    I'm curious as to why you find it an easy topic. You don't seem to understand the CCP at all.



    That is the best form of system right now, in some countries. It has not always been nor will it be indefinitely into the future. You wouldn't want to run a democracy in a zombie apocalypse would you? You want a strong, decisive military government.
     
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    Never has been half brothers. They serve a purpose that's all.
     
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    China spends more number of funds on internal security than any other country !!!

    Because CCP has its doubts on its governance and it want to suppress any voice that exposes its flaws in rule.

    What should I learn from Chinese who are habituated for suppression and thinks it is ok to supress majority people???

    Another absurd!!

    I am not surprised to see this kind of comment from a CCP supporter.


    People in China only knows what CCP wants to know about it, But we sitting here in India know more than what chinese know about CCP.


    Does this comment mean chinese cannot be educated about democracy and they want to be suppressed??

    It all depends on the governance and educating people, even it takes years it is worth a try when trying to bring change into a system.
     
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    but if u ask a pakistani ,china is their papa,mama,brother infact same DNA.:lol::lol:

    kyo @ NEO praaaji
     
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    Oppression of Uighurs
    sparks clash in China

    The Militant - July 27, 2009 -- Oppression of Uighurs sparks clash in China

    THE REPRESSIVE FRAMEWORK
    OF RELIGIOUS REGULATION
    IN XINJIANG

    http://www.hrichina.org/sites/default/files/PDFs/CRF.2.2005/2.2005-RS-Xinjiang.pdf

    Maybe it will indicate that one cannot quite learn from the Chinese posters.

    Money cannot buy you happiness.

    Peace of mind buys you happiness

    Money drives the desire for more money and that does not give peace of mind.

    The saying originated in the New Testament. “For the love of money is the root of all evil.” Timothy, 6:10.


    Could it be because one cannot understand their doublespeak, pious platitude and mealy mouthed homilies that are contrary to what one finds they do on the ground in reality?

    I agree.

    Some people prefer to be guided, even if it means an authoritative govt that care little for the individual and the individual's right.
     
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    Nothing, but they aren't indoctrinated.



    Absurd statements deserve absurd responses.




    Nope, wrong and wrong. Let me quote my post in an old thread.

    "All Chinese members on this board have equal access to information as you do.

    Freedom of speech/information does not guarantee objectivity or truth. In contries without censorship, the media, instead of reporting everything along party lines, report whatever they want. That in itself is not objective, because of so many events in world, what they choose to present are necessarily subjectively selective. It is also not always truthful, because they are not compelled to give the truth and may have an agenda. The truth is reserved for those who are truely intelligent and tenacious. Freedom of information gives them an 'opportunity', and I stress, a mere opportunity, to find out the truth.

    So, um, no, not everyone who disagrees with you is under the influence of propaganda. "



    They can be educated. Education is what they need for the inevitable transition to democracy. A corollary is that the Chinese people is not ready for it yet. Democracy would work wonders if it just suddenly comes into existence in China, but the need to transition makes the process fraught with danger.

    Well, I'm not going to parse my own sentences for you again.



    Happiness means differently to different people. The above is what some Christians would think. Whatshisname thinks that everyone should submit to his definition of happiness. He's either too young, or has never lived in poverty.
     
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    I have heard this before - the Chinese people is not ready for it yet.

    What exactly should be the environment that will make the Chinese people ready for democracy?

    I wonder if the countries under colonial rule were 'ready for democracy' when the Colonial powers left. I daresay, they slipped into the democratic mode with not much of an issue.

    Therefore, a nation that has not been under western and modern colonialists, and having an uninterrupted independent history, being not ready for democracy is quite incomprehensible, at least to me.

    They adapted like duck to water to Communism without any issue and communism was hardly something the Chinese ever saw before!


    You needn't, since you can't refute the two articles/ report of Han repression, notwithstanding your efforts to be in denial.

    One does not have to be young or not having lived in poverty to be unhappy. Or do you feel that it is a pre-requisite to be young and relatively rich to be bestowed with abundance of happiness.

    The Chinese proverb on Happiness may help you to understand happiness a little better than the mundane.

    If you want happiness for an hour—take a nap. If you want happiness for a day—go fishing. If you want happiness for a month—get married. If you want happiness for a year—inherit a fortune. If you want happiness for a lifetime—help others.
    -Chinese Proverb
     
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    No country supresses Muslims like China does.

    China is absolutely paranoid and treats its own Muslims like they are scum, and yet none of these Jihadis groups have targetted the Chinese.
    Must be that China has bought off all their Jihadi neighbours like Pak.
     

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