11 Armymen killed in ambush in Manipur, 16 injured. Terrorists ambushed with RPGs and assault fire.

[Screambowl]

What the hell center is doing, our PM mr 56 inch chest bodybuilder , what exactly is his stratergy

actually, there is always a pre check pilot patrol party moves to clear the route before convey is cleared to move on the route.

This time there was no pilot patrol to make sure the area was safe.

More over, the soldiers did not fight back and some say, the door of the convey truck was closed from outside. But why did the soldiers did not fight back is still a question.

 

[brational]

Terror effected NE states have several tribal groups and anything which looks "outsider" will be treated with fear and aggression by each one of them. These groups do not just kill the government forces, if given a chance they will kill off one another. In fact that is what they did until the British forces arrived in the region. Presence of Government forces has ensured that there have been no real blood feuds or "skull collection" campaigns.

You must visit the terror effected NE states for once to experience how racist these people are towards the "outsiders". Here "outsider" includes a person belonging to another tribe.

There is just one solution: Wipe the armed groups out with extreme prejudice like we once did. These groups are now getting weapons and political backing from China, we need to nip this new coalition in bud.

You are right and this is an issue, but this inter tribe racism has reached a tolerance level and there is very few instances of trophy killings since 2000.
Btw, I'm from Assam and the way I look it as the prolonged militancy is the result of economic backwardness. Militancy and drug trafficking is a promising earning source.
China is exploiting the backwardness of the people. So militancy will stay unless you encourage economic activities in this region, promote tourism, seal the border and have a firm grip on the outfits.
@DingDong I am assuming that you are from NE, you must have observed that the surrendered militants are too involved in extortion business with the support of local govt(in the name of rehabilitation). They are more organised and difficult to track.
The Racism part you mentioned is only a fraction of the Problems in NE.

 

[Poseidon]

Most of the casualties(14) are from the Ghatak Platoon.

 

[DingDong]

You are right and this is an issue, but this inter tribe racism has reached a tolerance level and there is very few instances of trophy killings since 2000.
Btw, I'm from Assam and the way I look it as the prolonged militancy is the result of economic backwardness. Militancy and drug trafficking is a promising earning source.
China is exploiting the backwardness of the people. So militancy will stay unless you encourage economic activities in this region, promote tourism, seal the border and have a firm grip on the outfits.
@DingDong I am assuming that you are from NE, you must have observed that the surrendered militants are too involved in extortion business with the support of local govt(in the name of rehabilitation). They are more organised and difficult to track.
The Racism part you mentioned is only a fraction of the Problems in NE.

I know quite a bit about the situation prevalent in NE. Like in case of J&K most of the central funds have gone into making personal fortunes of the politicians, level of corruption in NE states is really shameful .

Not only the surrendered militants but even the active terror groups are getting political backing because of the kind of money involved in gun-running, extortion, human-trafficking and drugs.

In this particular case the question one must ask is how did the intelligence apparatus failed in detecting the movement of a group of 50-60 armed terrorists. There was a criminal negligence on the part of the defence and law enforcement agencies. I have a feeling that the security forces had lowered their guards because of a pattern of decrease in violence in this region for quite some time.

 

[brational]

In this particular case the question one must ask is how did the intelligence apparatus failed in detecting the movement of a group of 50-60 armed terrorists. There was a criminal negligence on the part of the defence and law enforcement agencies. I have a feeling that the security forces had lowered their guards because of a pattern of decrease in violence in this region for quite some time.

Intelligence failure isn't the only reason. Manipur shares it's border with Myanmar and a major stretch is in hills and covered with thick jungle. There are no connectivity hence very difficult to guard. Militants prepare attack plans in myanmar and execute them with utmost secrecy and return back to myanmar. The whole activity may take less then 2 days if executed properly with inputs from local sympathisers.
Currently border gurding lies with Assam Rifles and they are also involved in COIN. Moreover they are not in possession of hightech equipment(night vision, thermal imagers, surveillance UAVs etc.) to track and monitor activities accross the borders as used by BSF in Kashmir. Militants know the loop wholes and capitalise on that.
That's why I mentioned earlier that Borders need to be sealed.

 

[TejasMK3]

Manipur attack: Time to deal with Myanmar strongly

The National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval is taking stock of the situation following the killing of 20 soldiers in Manipur yesterday. 20 soldiers of the 6 Dogra Regiment were killed in what has been termed as one of the deadliest attacks on the Indian army in 2 decades.

The newly floated outfit called the United Liberation Front of Western South East Asia has claimed responsibility for the attack. The new outfit comprising NSCN (K), Ulfa (I), Kamatapur Liberation Organization and NDFB (Songbijit) has been operating largely out of Myanmar and has a deadly agenda for North East.

Intelligence Bureau officials say that it is evident that this group which has claimed responsibility for the attack operates out of Myanmar. The IB has been picking up alerts since long suggesting that many North Eastern terrorist groups have been re-grouping in Myanmar. The government has decided to seal the India-Myanmar border and also bring in more forces to combat the problem. There has been a large influx of people from Mynamar recently. Most of them infiltrating are Rohingya Muslims and this has become a major concern for India. Intelligence reports state that while many have come to get away from the fighting with the Buddhists, there are others who could have joined with terrorist groups.

Ties with Myanmar are extremely crucial for India. We saw recently an attack on tribals at Assam and investigations showed that the same was planned in Myanmar. The cadres were sent down from there to carry out the ghastly attack. In Myanmar the problem is not restricted to just groups such as the ULFA or the NFDB(S). There are signs of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba too setting up camp over there. Intelligence Bureau officials say that groups especially from the North Eastern states have been re-grouping. The primary agenda is to stall any sort of peace talks that factions have been trying to hold with the government.

Militant have found a safe hiding spot in the very dense forests in Myanmar's Kachin state and the Saigang division which is bordering the North Eastern states of India. This is an area which is completely under the control of the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) which has been accused of training the ULFA. This particular area is considered to be a no man's land and is completely out of the control of Myanmar. The country has not managed to gain control over these areas which has made it a safe haven for the NFDB (S). While the Indian government says that it is positive about the support that is getting from Myanmar, there are various other issues on hand which need to be dealt with. How effective will the Myanmar government be when it comes to acting against terrorist groups taking shelter in Kachin state and the Saigang division. The government in Myanmar has not been effective in dealing with the KIA. In order to get into these dense forests and carry out an operation the army needs the logistic support from locals which is complete absent in these areas thanks to it being controlled by the KIA.

The KIA and the ULFA joined hands in the first place since they have a common agenda and that is to defy India. In fact the first batch of the ULFA was trained by the KIA and since then their ties are extremely strong. Moreover the ULFA also managed to break the Bodo movement and helped the creation of the NFDB (S) which is an anti talks faction. The massacre of the tribals in Assam and also the killing of the soldiers have a common agenda. While the army has been breaking the backs of these terrorists, the tribals have been playing a key role in helping out with local intelligence.

The area that the ULFA and NFDB (S) have chosen to hide is considered to be no man's land. The forests are dense and the terrain so difficult that it would need more than just military might to undertake an operation. With the assistance of the KIA and the ULFA the NFDB (S) militants can move around the forests with ease and not get caught.

 

[sherkhan]

Names of the 18 Army jawans killed in yesterday's terrorist ambush in Manipur.

 

[brational]

Sanghi clown Parikkar was bragging about how India will fight pakistani terrorism with their own brand of terrorism. And now this.

If you are unable to add value here, would suggest you to stay away from making derogatory comments.
Do not post here to rant others.

 

[Anikastha]

Rip for our brave soldiers. .
India salutes you

 

[tharun]

actually, there is always a pre check pilot patrol party moves to clear the route before convey is cleared to move on the route.

This time there was no pilot patrol to make sure the area was safe.

More over, the soldiers did not fight back and some say, the door of the convey truck was closed from outside. But why did the soldiers did not fight back is still a question.

Yes there must be pre-patrol.
But they should have used small drones to see any activity is going on the route

 

[Bhadra]

Indo - Myanmar border is nor fenced. The govt was planning to do that. In between the move to remove Assam Rfles from there and put in BSF was in full swing untill stopped recently by NSA. Myanmar border is very different from Indo -Pak or Indo _ BD border. There very well armed and trained insurgent groups (mainly Nagas) on both sides of the border - it is beyond BSF.

However, the report that NSCN was involved sounds surprising. It will be very difficult for NSCN cadre to move back to jungle after so many years of peace. Since this incident took place in Chandel, cross border operation could be possible.

In an earlier ambush in Khonsa - Neusa NSCN (khaplang ) was involved.

Both thee incidents point towards some degree of intelligence failure and some new trends emerging.

 

[Bhadra]

Terror effected NE states have several tribal groups and anything which looks "outsider" will be treated with fear and aggression by each one of them. These groups do not just kill the government forces, if given a chance they will kill off one another. In fact that is what they did until the British forces arrived in the region. Presence of Government forces has ensured that there have been no real blood feuds or "skull collection" campaigns.

You must visit the terror effected NE states for once to experience how racist these people are towards the "outsiders". Here "outsider" includes a person belonging to another tribe.

There is just one solution: Wipe the armed groups out with extreme prejudice like we once did. These groups are now getting weapons and political backing from China, we need to nip this new coalition in bud.

Please tell us how the Anglican Church intruded expanded and managed their affairs. The missionary there were and continue to be foreigners. Chirstian Teachers, nurses and church staff in majority are from Kerala.

 

[Bhadra]

^^ two trucks were completely destroyed.
Army has revised fatalities to 18.

This is a typical L shape ambush on an ascending sharp road bend.

 

[sherkhan]

Names of the 18 Army jawans killed in yesterday's terrorist ambush in Manipur.

Farewell to 6 Dogra's 18 dead.

 

[brational]

Myanmar is supporting NE militants

Escalating violence in the northeast in recent times leading up to Thursday's deadly ambush on army soldiers raises serious questions over the government strategy to let NSCN (K) walk out from a 14-year-old ceasefire in March.
Adding to the anxiety of security agencies, latest inputs from Myanmar show significant official support to the Naga rebel group, which has almost completely shifted its armed cadres to the neighbouring country. Early this week, NSCN (K) chief SS Kaplang was airlifted to a hospital in Yangon with state assistance, sources say.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ls-a-shot-in-the-arm/articleshow/47547895.cms

 

[brational]

Army Launches Massive Hunt Operation


The Leimakhong (Manipur)-based 57 Mountain Division of the Army launched one of the biggest combing operations in the hilly terrain of the state which shares a 353km porous border with Myanmar on the east after militants ambushed a convoy of 6 Dogra infantry regiment on Thursday morning in which 18 soldiers died and 15 others were injured.
Army chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag arrived in Imphal on Friday morning to review the situation even as NSCN (K) and to Meitei outfits Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL) and Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP) has claimed responsibility for the ambush in a joint statement issued.

Ulfa (I) leader Paresh Baruah on Thursday had made a similar claim that the ambush was carried out from instructions from NSCN (K) supremo SS Khaplang, who is also the chairman of United Liberation Front of Western South East Asia (UNLFW), a newly-floated conglomerate of four outfits, NSCN (K), Ulfa (I), NDFB (S) and KLO.
The NSCN (K)-KYKL-KCP statement said that the "combined team of 'elite strike unit' of Naga army, KYKL and KCP assaulted five vehicle convoy of 6th Dogra regiment on June 4 at Tengnoupal-New Somtal road under Chandel district of Manipur" and this was "in sync with each corresponding assertion for self-determination and sovereignty." According to the statement the ambush started at 6am and lasted till around 10am.
Intelligence inputs had earlier suggested the ambush was carried out by a 15-member group of KYKL with weaponry support from NSCN (Khaplang).

Soon after the deadly attack military intelligence received inputs about a heavily-armed KYKL group spotted moving away from the site of the incident. The group was led by self-styled "lieutenant" Tamba and was heading Thantapin village. The group is believed to have moved eastwards and crossed the international border from somewhere south of T Minou village in Manipur, which is south of the India-Myanmar border town of Tamu in Myanmar.

The inputs stated that the group was equipped with RPGs and other sophisticated weapons. The vehicles in which the Army jawans were travelling were hit by RPGs and the "KYKL does not poses the sophisticated weapons and in all probability these were provided by NSCN (K). Moreover, the village where the ambush took place is a Naga village," the source said.
On the other hand KYKL is among six other Meiti outfits, who form another umbrella organization called CorCom. All these Meitei outfits and those of UNLFW have bases in western part of Myanmar bordering India. Khaplang enjoys a suspension of operation agreement with Myanmar, which was signed in 2012.
The Army's 57th Mountain Division or the Red Shield Division based at Leimakhong near Imphal is commanding troops deployed in half of Manipur's areas and has three brigades operating in Tamenglong, Churachandpur and Bishnupur districts in the district.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-attack-in-33-years/articleshow/47556477.cms

 

[ezsasa]

Our guys need to rethink some strategies w.r.t ambushes.

Maybe better satellite and air support is need of the hour.

 

[Screambowl]

Yes there must be pre-patrol.
But they should have used small drones to see any activity is going on the route

It is either intelligence failure or negligence of intelligence inputs

 

[Bhadra]

The latest report says it was NSCN (K) ... they can only reach Chandel via Myanmar...

Khaplang needs to be eliminated..

 

[Bhadra]

Our guys need to rethink some strategies w.r.t ambushes.

Maybe better satellite and air support is need of the hour.

Sir , you have not seen those thick jungles and difficult areas ... no satellite will be effective there in that thick foliage