pakistan lost 143 on the spot vs our 9This islamist scum uses a tragedy to drive his Paki agenda
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If soldiers had GPS with them...It would not take this much time .pakistan lost 143 on the spot vs our 9
it could perhaps even have been avoided if we had our detecting radar on the spot instead of being flown in a few DAYS later
im not judging tht as i dont know the circumstances as to why the radar was not already part of their standard equipment - i surmise that the system is new ?
appears we might be close to solving this difficulty and at the very least we are way ahead of pack in this matter
so that basit clown can keep his opinions to himself or his own gov .... we dont need to listen to him
and he is the same clown who deliberately met the Kashmir extremists thus engaging in activities unbecoming of an ambassador ...we dont need advice from such ...in fact if he continues to do similarly, in future, it may be suitable to ask for him to be sent back
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They all have GPS but under snow the signal of Satellite is very weak ,they have radio beacon to their location plus special rope which stay above the snow or leave some colour plus dogs are trained to smell and dig the survivor out but a very quick response is must ,we very very lucky this time .They are trying to develop new technique and also predict avalanche but no luck till now plus funding is limited .If soldiers had GPS with them...It would not take this much time .
Can some one tell me , whether GPS would work beneath snow?
We must also remember that this is not the fluffy kind of snow. It would be as hard as concrete once it stops moving. It was a miracle that he survived so long.They all have GPS but under snow the signal of Satellite is very weak ,they have radio beacon to their location plus special rope which stay above the snow or leave some colour plus dogs are trained to smell and dig the survivor out but a very quick response is must ,we very very lucky this time .They are trying to develop new technique and also predict avalanche but no luck till now plus funding is limited .
We already use it substantially and still expanding it.Govt must use drones or satellites to monitor porki army movements.If necessary shoot at sight and inform the IA.
pakis have many times blamed about DRDO KALI and other weapons create such things against them.2.Why can't Ind govt create avalanches as we are sitting siachen heights and kill all porkis in lower ground regularly.
If soldiers had GPS with them...It would not take this much time .
Can some one tell me , whether GPS would work beneath snow?
They all have GPS but under snow the signal of Satellite is very weak ,they have radio beacon to their location plus special rope which stay above the snow or leave some colour plus dogs are trained to smell and dig the survivor out but a very quick response is must ,we very very lucky this time .They are trying to develop new technique and also predict avalanche but no luck till now plus funding is limited .
We must also remember that this is not the fluffy kind of snow. It would be as hard as concrete once it stops moving. It was a miracle that he survived so long.
We must actually improve upon the shelter that he was found in. If that thing kept him from being crushed for such time, it must be good!
Salute to you LNK Hanumanthappa.
DRDO Reminds Govt About Snow Studies Aircraft RequirementBro , thanks for your like ....i double-checked my post .........i did not say GPS ....
i said radar , didnt i ? .... the difference is in the application and signal strength - even though there is much in common in the principles of the science of the two
Times if india reported this fact a few days ago , that the army ( drdo ? ) has developed such a radar based detection system ( earth penetrating radar system ) which can be applied to these avalanche type incidents ...this is over and above the radio beacon signal which they already have been using for some time
i personally am really pleased india has developed this type of earth penetrating RADAR which i believe nether pack nor ccpchigna has ....and the press reports should not give too much detail away , so we shd not be irritated if they say little .
i believe there is more than one source in the indian publications on the net and you can read more details there
Jai Hind , Well done ( v. sad we lost the man in the end and i salute him
profusely for the fight he put up - what a man ! )
Best Regards all ,
R
Nope. But this incident happened on a route of patrol not at the base. Since we don't know the topography of the area, we won't be able to comment on the feasibility of forced avalanches.Siachen chora Kashmir Gaya . Simple formula. All IA can do is adopt , introduce world class tech for patrolling etc etc .
In Switzerland Alps skiing resort . They deliberately fire canon rounds in mountain to do force Avalanche . This way there will no chance of another Avalanche . Does IA do that ???
Nice ,it could have given a clearer image of what is happening,better late then never let the army do field trail with it ,it will help to reduce loss of life.A Much Delayed DRDO Technology Could Have Saved Lance Naik Koppad
A remote health monitoring smart vest for soldiers has been on trials since 2004-05; it could have instantly relayed information about survivors following the February 3 avalanche that buried the soldiers
A crucial wearable sensor product using sophisticated technologies developed by a lab under Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) could have saved the life of Lance Naik Hanumanthappa Koppad - and may be some others of his team too - who was buried under tonnes of ice 35-feet-thick for six days following a deadly avalanche that entombed the Sonam Post they were guarding on Saltoro Ridge on Siachen Glacier on February 3.
But the product, known as the wearable physiological monitoring system (WPMS) - or simply the 'smart vest' - conceived in 2004-05 is still undergoing field tests today despite over a decade of development and trials at various stages, scientists from Defence Bioengineering & Electrome-dical Laboratory of the DRDO, informed Bangalore Mirror.
The scientists refrained from disclosing where the WPMS was being field-tested, but "If the WPMS was used on these soldiers, we could have definitely been able to save (at least some of) them," said M Anandan, joint director, DEBEL, deducing that if Koppad had survived six days buried under 35 feet of snow, there could have been others too who had lived after the avalanche.
The WPMS is a crucial technology which is embedded in a vest worn in direct body contact. It is embedded with an array of sensors, each connected to a central processing unit to allow specialists based at a faraway station to remotely monitor the health and fitness aspects of each of the soldiers posted in remote border areas.
Each soldier wears a smart vest so that specialists at the base station, hundreds of kilometres away, are able to monitor each one independently and simultaneously.
The WPMS is designed using a microcontroller. It is interfaced with wireless communication and global positioning system (GPS) modules. It monitors and issues real-time signals pertaining to electrocardiogram (ECG), photoplethysmogram, body temperature, blood pressure, galvanic skin response and heart rate of each soldier.
DEBEL scientists said that among all these, the photoplethysmogram, the galvanic skin response, the heart rate and the GPS-supported geo-locator could have instantly alerted the specialists at the base station that something has gone wrong - and precisely where under the snow - immediately after the avalanche.
The scientists explained that the photoplethysmogram (PPG) noninvasively screens and relays in real-time valuable information about the performance of each soldier's cardiovascular system. It detects anomalies by illuminating the skin with a light from a light-emitting diode (LED) and then measuring the amount of light either transmitted or reflected to a photodiode attached to the vest.
The galvanic skin response (GSR) detects a change in the electrical properties of the skin in response to stress or anxiety; and can be measured either by recording the electrical resistance of the skin or through weak currents generated by the body in such circumstances.
"The GSR and PPG could have instantly relayed clear signals about each soldier's condition - whether dead or alive, and if alive then in what condition," said the DEBEL scientist, who did not want to named.
The search and rescue teams could have been immediately deployed as the WPMS would have informed the base station that Koppad was alive. The WPMS could have also instantly relayed whether the others were alive in the hours and days after the avalanche.
"In fact, we could have had accurate information about how many of the ten had survived immediately after the avalanche; we surely could have instantly known that Lance Naik Koppad was still alive under the icy rubble," said a senior DEBEL scientist.
Instead, they had been all 'declared confirmed dead' on February 5. It was during the exercise to retrieve the bodies on February 8 that they discovered that Koppad was still alive when the first search & rescue team reached the site using life-detecting equipment.
The site itself was located under the humungous rubble of ice and by receiving radio signals emitted from the operations communication sets, which the soldiers on duty atop Siachen are ordered to keep on precisely for such emergencies.
The WPMS was conceived a decade ago. It has been successfully tried at some undisclosed private hospitals in the city as part of the first stage of trials in the mid-2000s, following which it entered the field trial stage.
The WPMS has yet to be inducted into Indian Army; but as DEBEL scientists say, the system could be found most valuable for soldiers posted in harsh environments such as the Siachen Glacier.
WHAT IS WPMS?
* It is a product developed by the Defence Bioengineering & Electromedical Laboratory of the DRDO.
* It is a vest attached with an array of sensors to relay health status of soldiers to remote base stations
* It monitors and issues real-time signals pertaining to electrocardiogram (ECG), photoplethysmogram, body temperature, blood pressure, galvanic skin response and heart rate.
HOW COULD WPMS HAVE HELPED?
* It could have remotely alerted the base station that the health parameters of the ten soldiers are abnormal
* It could have provided precise location of each of the soldiers in real-time.
* This could have helped the Army know that at least Koppad was still alive, and may be some others too.
* The precise health status of each would have informed the base station exactly how many are dead, how many alive and in what condition.
* This information could have helped in cutting time, instead of waiting to reach the spot and then realise five days later that at least Koppad was still alive.
* The acquired signals are sent in real-time at a speed of 250samples/second, digitised at 12-bit resolution and transmitted wirelessly along with the geo-location of the wearer.
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Why is it still in trials?A Much Delayed DRDO Technology Could Have Saved Lance Naik Koppad
A remote health monitoring smart vest for soldiers has been on trials since 2004-05; it could have instantly relayed information about survivors following the February 3 avalanche that buried the soldiers
A crucial wearable sensor product using sophisticated technologies developed by a lab under Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) could have saved the life of Lance Naik Hanumanthappa Koppad - and may be some others of his team too - who was buried under tonnes of ice 35-feet-thick for six days following a deadly avalanche that entombed the Sonam Post they were guarding on Saltoro Ridge on Siachen Glacier on February 3.
But the product, known as the wearable physiological monitoring system (WPMS) - or simply the 'smart vest' - conceived in 2004-05 is still undergoing field tests today despite over a decade of development and trials at various stages, scientists from Defence Bioengineering & Electrome-dical Laboratory of the DRDO, informed Bangalore Mirror.
The scientists refrained from disclosing where the WPMS was being field-tested, but "If the WPMS was used on these soldiers, we could have definitely been able to save (at least some of) them," said M Anandan, joint director, DEBEL, deducing that if Koppad had survived six days buried under 35 feet of snow, there could have been others too who had lived after the avalanche.
The WPMS is a crucial technology which is embedded in a vest worn in direct body contact. It is embedded with an array of sensors, each connected to a central processing unit to allow specialists based at a faraway station to remotely monitor the health and fitness aspects of each of the soldiers posted in remote border areas.
Each soldier wears a smart vest so that specialists at the base station, hundreds of kilometres away, are able to monitor each one independently and simultaneously.
The WPMS is designed using a microcontroller. It is interfaced with wireless communication and global positioning system (GPS) modules. It monitors and issues real-time signals pertaining to electrocardiogram (ECG), photoplethysmogram, body temperature, blood pressure, galvanic skin response and heart rate of each soldier.
DEBEL scientists said that among all these, the photoplethysmogram, the galvanic skin response, the heart rate and the GPS-supported geo-locator could have instantly alerted the specialists at the base station that something has gone wrong - and precisely where under the snow - immediately after the avalanche.
The scientists explained that the photoplethysmogram (PPG) noninvasively screens and relays in real-time valuable information about the performance of each soldier's cardiovascular system. It detects anomalies by illuminating the skin with a light from a light-emitting diode (LED) and then measuring the amount of light either transmitted or reflected to a photodiode attached to the vest.
The galvanic skin response (GSR) detects a change in the electrical properties of the skin in response to stress or anxiety; and can be measured either by recording the electrical resistance of the skin or through weak currents generated by the body in such circumstances.
"The GSR and PPG could have instantly relayed clear signals about each soldier's condition - whether dead or alive, and if alive then in what condition," said the DEBEL scientist, who did not want to named.
The search and rescue teams could have been immediately deployed as the WPMS would have informed the base station that Koppad was alive. The WPMS could have also instantly relayed whether the others were alive in the hours and days after the avalanche.
"In fact, we could have had accurate information about how many of the ten had survived immediately after the avalanche; we surely could have instantly known that Lance Naik Koppad was still alive under the icy rubble," said a senior DEBEL scientist.
Instead, they had been all 'declared confirmed dead' on February 5. It was during the exercise to retrieve the bodies on February 8 that they discovered that Koppad was still alive when the first search & rescue team reached the site using life-detecting equipment.
The site itself was located under the humungous rubble of ice and by receiving radio signals emitted from the operations communication sets, which the soldiers on duty atop Siachen are ordered to keep on precisely for such emergencies.
The WPMS was conceived a decade ago. It has been successfully tried at some undisclosed private hospitals in the city as part of the first stage of trials in the mid-2000s, following which it entered the field trial stage.
The WPMS has yet to be inducted into Indian Army; but as DEBEL scientists say, the system could be found most valuable for soldiers posted in harsh environments such as the Siachen Glacier.
WHAT IS WPMS?
* It is a product developed by the Defence Bioengineering & Electromedical Laboratory of the DRDO.
* It is a vest attached with an array of sensors to relay health status of soldiers to remote base stations
* It monitors and issues real-time signals pertaining to electrocardiogram (ECG), photoplethysmogram, body temperature, blood pressure, galvanic skin response and heart rate.
HOW COULD WPMS HAVE HELPED?
* It could have remotely alerted the base station that the health parameters of the ten soldiers are abnormal
* It could have provided precise location of each of the soldiers in real-time.
* This could have helped the Army know that at least Koppad was still alive, and may be some others too.
* The precise health status of each would have informed the base station exactly how many are dead, how many alive and in what condition.
* This information could have helped in cutting time, instead of waiting to reach the spot and then realise five days later that at least Koppad was still alive.
* The acquired signals are sent in real-time at a speed of 250samples/second, digitised at 12-bit resolution and transmitted wirelessly along with the geo-location of the wearer.
Source>>