10-0 Kill Ratio in Air Combat by PAF in Soviet Afghan War.

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  1. Black Blood

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    A Story of No. 9 Griffin and No. 14 Shaheen Squadron.
    Squadron leader Hamid Qadri from Squadron No. 9
    May 17th, 1986
    Squadron Leader Badar from Squadron No. 14,
    April 16th, 1987
    Squadron Leader Athar Bokhari from Squadron No. 14,
    April 8th, 1988
    Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmood from Squadron No. 14,
    September 12th, 1988
    Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmood from Squadron No. 14,
    November 3rd, 1988




    17 May 1986 Sqn. Ldr. A. Hameed Qadri
    No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    (S. No. 82-723)

    PAF Sargodha 2 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s Shot down both Su-22s in a single sortie 16,000 ft. over Parachinar, Pakistan. 1 AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill, 1 Gun Kill.

    30 March 1987 Wng. Cdr. Abdul Razzaq
    No. 9 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    PAF Sargodha 1 Soviet/Afghan An-26 Shot down near Miranshah, Pakistan while on a recce mission.

    16 April 1987 Sqn. Ldr. Badar Islam
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet/Afghan Su-22 Shot down after strafing Pakistani villages near Tull, Pakistan along with another Su-22 and with a pair of MiG-23MLDs flying top cover. Remaining 3 aircraft bugged out.

    8 April 1988 Sqn. Ldr. Athar Bokhari
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    (S. No. 85-725)

    PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet Su-25
    Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, Soviet Air Force (ejected) 1 PAF F-16 Vs. 4 Soviet Su-25s. Night interception over Parachinar, Pakistan. AIM-9L Sidewinder Kill. Remaining 3 Su-25s bugged out. Soviet Su-25 pilot, Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, (later Vice-President of Russia) was taken prisoner by Pakistani authorities.

    12 September 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    (S. No. 85-728) PAF Minhas (Kamra) 2 Soviet MiG-23MLDs 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet MiG-23s. Near Nawagai border area with Pakistan. Both Kills in a single sortie with AIM-9L and AIM-9P Sidewinders.

    3 November 1988 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    (S. No. 84-717)
    PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Afghan Air Force Su-22

    Capt. Hashim, AAF (ejected) 2 PAF F-16s Vs. 6 Soviet/Afghan Su-22s. (3 on ground attack and 3 flying top cover) near Tull, Pakistan. Kill made with 2 AIM-9L Sidewinders. Afghan pilot, Capt. Hashim, was captured after bailing out.

    20/21 November 1988 Muhammad Abbas Khattak
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16A Fighting Falcon
    PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-26 Shot down while on a recce mission inside Pakistan. PAF pilot later Chief of the Air Staff, PAF, 1994-1997.

    31 January 1989 Flt. Lt. Khalid Mahmood
    No. 14 Squadron, PAF F-16B Fighting Falcon

    PAF Minhas (Kamra) 1 Soviet An-24 Night interception near Bannu, Pakistan while on a solo 'hot scramble'. An-24 on bombing run crashed while attempting to surrender. Thus credited as 'manoeuvre kill'.
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    * No PAF jet was shot down during air combat, by the enemy establishing a 10-0 kill ratio in the favor of PAF
    * During the entire, period of war 1 PAF F-16 was shot down by mistakenly fired AIM-9L from another PAF F-16.
    * MORE than 10 jets were shot down during the war, however REAL numbers of jets shot down by the PAF during the war is still "classified".
    * PAF is one of the FEW air forces around the world having REAL experience with F-16s in air to air combat and having shot down enemy jets.
    * One Soviet/Afghan Mig-21 Surrendered and, now is on display in Karachi air museum
    * PAF pilots remain one of the unique air force pilots in the world, having shot down jets from 4 Different Air Forces. [Indian/Israeli/USSR/Afghan]

    Source: Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info

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    Tail of Su-25 shot down by Sqn Ldr Athar (No.14 Sqn)

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    Sqn Ldr Hameed Qadri standing with a Su22 wing preserved outside No.9 Sqn. He shot down two Su-22s on 17th May, 1986.

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    Video capture of HUD footage of
    Flt Lt Badr-ul-Islam's Su-22 kill on 16th Apr,1987.


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    Hameed Qadri (Late), M.Razzaq (late), Yousaf Chaudhry, Badar, Athar Bukhari


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    MiG-21MF and Su-22M-4K seen at the Peshawar AB, in October 1989, after both planes were flown there by defecting Afghani pilots



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    Pakistan downed all this Soviet jets because the Soviet policy was to do nothing against Pak, coz USSR was on war against Afghanistan, not against Pak.

    Pak rendered its usual services for its lord, the USA, ally and master during the Cold War in order to difficults the Soviet mission, but the Soviets didn't want to involve themselves with Pakistan for this could expand the scale of war and to rise tensions with USA. Soviet pilots reported that were being attacked by Paki jets, but the Moscow's order was to retreat or even to leave be attacked.

    Do you are sure the jihadis Pak pilots were better than kafirs Soviets???

    If the Soviets had wanted, they crushed PAF and the ratio would be inverse: 10:0 in favor USSR.
     
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    The DRA and the Soviets carried out many raids deep south of the Durand Line. The Soviets had a major garrison in Jalalabad, and they routinely strafed NWFP and the border regions. Afghan commandos also carried out sabotage missions deep within Pakistan. Khost was out of control, but before the Soviets withdrew, they took complete control of it.
     
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    This is like sleeping with the ugly inbred chick in the class after being turned down by all the hot women and going 0-4 :tsk:
     
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    soviet navy could have single handed take out entire Pakistan at will, if they had war with Pakistan, i dont need to say what would Soviet AF would have done to PAF and entire Pakistani military.
     
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    Raids like this below were routine on both sides of the Durand Line. Please read on before seeing the video.

    The Soviets used their Mil-24/35 to good effect. These were assault-cum-transport helicopters. This is how it would work:
    • Intel informs about Mujahideen in a village.
    • The Soviets would send a few helicopters with paratroopers in transport compartment.
    • The helicopters would drop these paratroopers off on the periphery (possible escape route) of the village.
    • The helicopter would then fly over the village in a circle, each chewing up the village with their unguided rockets and cannons.
    • The mujahideen would run away like scared rabbits.
    • The Soviet snipers/paratroopers would finish them off.


     
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    PAF was defensive.

    They intruded into Pak airspace and than they were shot down

    Nothing against USSR or For USA.they entered into our airspace and we shot down them.pretty much common around the world
     
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    The US intrudes Pak airspace.

    What is the statistics of kills?
     
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    Its known as 4 trillion dollars of war investment with no end in sight. Americans have been defeated, they may win battles and have control of the skies but can't win the war. In the end what matters is who won and HOW becomes irrelevant.
     
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    You put cold water on his false pride of 1 Paki=10 Roosi.

    Now he would go back and cry for a day. :lol:
     
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    They are considered allies. :rofl:
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    And allies have the right to kill/kidnap/behead... Pakis are used to it.

    Pakis hav so many of allies ie US/NATO/AF/TTP...
     
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    Well said @IBSA , what will Paki Air Force do if mighty soviets decided enough-is-enough? still Pakis think they are the cause of USSR collapse.
     
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    All the aircraft shot down are attack aircrafts or transports. None of them were air superiority ones. So much for kill ratios:rolleyes:
     
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    we didnt told them to bring them..they intruded our airspace.whatever the aircraft was we had to shoot it
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Allah Bachaye Puppet govt se.
     
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    Then it is not air "combat" loss ratio dude
     
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    Man made Allah, Bhagwan, God, etc does not exist, your country is doomed!
     
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    Controversial but I heard that soviet mig-23 shot down paki F-16.
     
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    they shot down all the combat aircraft not transport

    how can it cant be called not air combat ratio?
     

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