Bramhos will never have a range more than 300 kms

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    Brahmos's range is not greater than what is being mentioned in open source. The size and weight does not allow for greater range anyway. MTCR does not allow ranges of greater than 300Km, nor can it be modified for extended range in house.

    The only way to extend the range is by making a whole new missile. According to one such rumour, a new supersonic long range LACM will be made. But of course these are only rumours. A 1000-1500Km range Ramjet or Scramjet will be too big and too heavy for today's technology.

    Shaurya has nothing to do with Brahmos. Shaurya is a quasi ballistic missile which does not follow a ballistic trajectory. Other than that it has multiple stages and uses solid rocket motors and is meant to replace Agni I while achieving greater flexibility against enemy ABM systems. Bhramos is a different beast altogether meant for entirely different purposes.

    Brahmos and Shaurya have nothing to do with each other since they were both developed by different teams.

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    Shaurya Clod launch as we have seen are from the lesson learnt from BrahMos VLS, the reason for not letting BrahMos <300 Km is due to the probability of international community yelling at any such development, to note BrahMos use a sub 500 kg warhead about 300 kg which is less then the prescribed 500 kg by MTCR, note that even if we consider a Land Brahmos cannot break the 300 limit, the Air launch version would be capable to do it, why not? because it is the international community which yells on MTCR violation to both signatories and non signatories equally . And why not a 500kg payload is due to the reason that MTCR watch dogs do not question the credibility of the product as controversial , otherwise a 500kg payload capable 300km range BrahMos wont be a herculean job for the Russian to offer.

    Even if a BrahMos achieve a 310+ km range it can be justified that it is carrying a 280/300 kg payload. To answer the MTCR watchdogs.
    Problem is not that the system cannot achieve 300 + range problem is the watchdogs for which the limit have to be maintained so that they dont make a trouble while marketing it.
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    Bramhos 299 kms, still a big killer

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    in war who will go and check if Brahmos has been fired from ship or from SU 30 MKI, as long as it achieve its target. Plus GOI wont allow its services to say who has fired the brahmos keeping in eye on the MTCR.

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    Because of MTCR it is all the more important to start considering putting super and hypersonic tech applications to another breed of missiles. For now, Shaurya is reasonably apt. But if we need a proper cruise missile that can cross the 1,000+Km range to strike PLA bases in Tibet during conflict with supersonic speeds, we will need to start separate BrahMos tech applications into new ventures.

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    Ya big killer 300Km with Mach 3 you will be killed before you can react you can only go under and wait for the meeting with your maker

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    There is no reason for panicking on the limited range of Brahmos, because the air launched version will be developed soon and it will increase the potential of brahmos many fold.....Moreover look how Brahmos is being deployed. Three regiments against pakistan, whose most of population will come under its range, and one in NE, to guard against chinese invasion, it is not being deployed as an offensive missile against china and hence the current range will suffice...In addition, the future use of Brahmos will be for export purposes only.

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    An air launched version does not mean extended range. The firing will be done only at subsonic speeds of 400-500Kmph. It shouldn't affect the range as much.

    The platform's range is the added bonus though.

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    no it mean when take su 30 400 Km inside enemy territory u will virtualy increase the range and more over it will economical then same 700 km missile bcoz u can reuse the plane
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    Yeah. The platform's range is an added bonus.

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    If Nirbhay air launched missile is developed soon and if it has the same range as land-sea version
    it will make deep strikes possible without having to fly deep in enemy territory. Also development of
    deep strike suicide drones in large numbers will be a game changer.

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    Air launch means extra benefit, the missile system do not require to fight against gravity to reach desired altitude level plus the variation of density of air.

    Land launch Python 5 have a reduced range on SPYDER system
    Land launch Derby have a reduced range on SPYDER system
    Land launched AIM-120 AMRAAM have a reduced range on NASAMS

    altitude being a deciding factor here is some infomation about aam's
    Air-to-air missile non-comparison table

    not sure about cruise missiles like BrahMos but atleast it can break the 300 km mark if air launched if land variant is believed to be 280 km.
    It seems like the sub 300 km limit is as per marketing perceptive rather then capability perceptive.
    Unlike Ballistic missiles, cruise missile are guided missiles like AAM, powers and guides the system till the last resort of positioning it to hit the target.
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    some food for thought Brahmos weighs more than tomahawk and flies faster than tomahawk and the range is 300km??

    BRAMOSDTN

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