Ramayana: History or Myth?

parijataka

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@parijataka so you are pedantic guy...
Not really. I like to have an open mind.

Also, using the planetary positions given in Hindu texts it is possible to calculate the year of birth of the avataras.

Unfortunately this source of ancient history will never be explored by our slave to Western world historians.

5125th Birth Anniversary of Lord Krishna
Posted on August 22, 2013 by bharathgyanblog

The people of this country never had any doubts about the historicity of Krishna until the colonial invaders projected Krishna as a mythical figure cooked up by wonderful stories.

The story of Krishna is deeply embedded in the cultural fabric of India and the people of this land revere Him as a Divinity. The colonial hangover has however left a doubt on the historicity of this highly adored Divinity.

The science of Archeo-Astronomy has enabled us to go beyond the boundaries of conventional archaeology in tracing the historicity of some well known personages of this land, such as Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira and Shankara. Planetary configurations mentioned in the ancient scriptures pertaining to major events and personages connected, help us date events that happened around these personages, centuries and millenia ago, either manually or with more ease and accuracy, using Planetarium software.

As per the scriptures, Lord Krishna was born around midnight. That night was the eight phase of the moon known as Ashtami Tithi. The moon was near Vrshabha, the bull, i.e the Taurus constellation that houses the star Rohini. The star Rohini is known as Aldeberan in modern astronomy. The month was Shravana, one of the 12 months in the Indian calendar.

These details are clearly mentioned in the 10thSkanda, 3rd chapter of the Bhagavata Purana. The relevant sloka is,

Shravana vada ashtami, Rohini Nakshtra, uditam Lagnam

This detail combined with details of sky configurations for events that happened around Krishna's lifetimes, namely the Mahabharata, leads us to the exact birth date for Krishna.



Krishna's Birth Chart
Courtesy Prof.Narahari Achar, Memphis University, USA
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Such a search leads us to 27th July, 3112 BCE as Krishna's date of birth in the Gregorian Calendar.

In Indian tradition, Krishna's birth is also called as "Sri Jayanthi". The word "Jayanthi" has an interesting connotation in Indian Astronomy. Indian astronomers have accorded special names to lunar phases occurring at certain stars.

The lunar phase occurring at Punarvasu star in Gemini constellation is called Jaya. The lunar phase occurring at Pushya star in the Gemini constellation is called Nasini. The lunar phase seen at Shravana star in the Capricorn zodiac is called Vijaya. Similarly, the phase of the moon occurring at Rohini star is called Jayanthi.

Krishna's birth which happened when the moon was at Rohini star is called Sri Jayanthi.

Jayanthi also means celebrations and the word has thus come to be used to indicate birthday celebrations. Thus, the word "Jayanthi, over time, has also come to be used for the birthday celebrations of other great personages and we today celebrate Buddha Jayanthi, Mahaveer Jayanthi, Shankara Jayanthi, Shivaji Jayanthi, Gandhi Jayanthi, Ambedkar Jayanthi etc.

"Jayanthi" became popular because of association with Krishna.

Every year, for millennia, Indians have been celebrating Krishna's birthday in the Shravana month, on Rohini Nakshatra, Krishna Paksha Ashtami (8th phase of the waning moon) based on these details in scriptures.

It is the year of birth however, which has been the missing piece in common knowledge.

Not only from Archaeo-astronomy, but also from a wholistic analysis of data across various disciplines, today we can conclude that Lord Krishna was born in 3112 BCE.

So, this year, 2013 CE, makes it the 5125th year since His birth, Sri Jayanthi. Let us celebrate this 5125th birthday of Lord Krishna, keeping in mind that India's most beloved Divinity was indeed also a historical figure who had walked this planet about 5000 years ago.



While Divinity is a matter of faith, historicity is a matter of existence. With the unraveling of the dates for Krishna, what comes out for all to see is the beautiful blend of Divinity and Historicity in Krishna. One does not preclude the other.
 
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a few weeks back i studied a book which mentions ravana's wife mandodari to be the daughter of a mayan scientist-who build lankas gokarna temple,flying machine(on which he brings seetha) and seetha as daughter of ravana and mandodari

a very interesting book indeed
 

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Based on my limited knowledge, I point out a few reasons why Ramayana can be considered history rather than completely a myth.

Ramayana is the story of Rama and Sita, written by the great saint Valmiki. He lived during the period ca.400 B.C. He is known as the Adi kavi or the first poet. Valmiki Ramayana is dated variously from 500 B.C. to 100 B.C.



Ramayana in a nut shell



Ramayana is a poetry written in Sanskrit. It deals chronologically with the major events in the life of Rama. The poem is divided into seven kandas and has 24,000 verses.

Bala kanda- describes the birth of Rama, his childhood and marriage to Sita.

Ayodhya kanda- describes Rama's coronation and exile into the forest.

Aranya kanda- describes the forest life of Rama and the kidnapping of Sita by the demon king Ravana.

Kishkinda kanda- describes the meeting of Hanuman with Rama, destruction of Vanara king Vali and the coronation of his younger brother Sugriva.

Sundara kanda- describes the heroism of Hanuman, his flight to Lanka and meeting with Seeta.

Yudha kanda- describes the battle between Rama and Ravana.

Uthara kanda- describes the birth of Lav and Kush to Sita, their coronation to the throne of Ayodhya and Rama's final departure from the world.





Reasons for Ramayana to be a true story



Astronomical Evidence



Traditionally the epic belongs to the Treta Yuga which dates back to 880,000 years in the past. According to Dr. P.V.Vartak Ramayana must have occurred 9600 years ago that is 7600B.C. approximately. The following are the dates given in his book "Vastav Ramayan"-





Rama's Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C





Rama-Sita Married 7th April 7307 B.C





Rama Exiled 29th November 7306 B.C.





Hanuman enters Lanka 1st September 7292 B.C





Hanuman meets Sita 2nd September 7292 B.C.





Ramasethu (Bridge) built 26-30th Oct. 7292 B.C







The War begins 3rd November 7292 B.C





Kumbhakarna is killed 7th November 7292 B.C.





Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.





Rama returns to Ayodhya 6th December 7272 B.C.



The astronomical encodings by Valmiki was deciphered by noting the position and arrangemnt of astronomical bodies, which once in many thousand years. The correct astronomical record shows that Valmiki had chronicled an account of a true story.



Ramasethu – manmade

Ramasethu is a chain of limestone shoals between the islands of Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu and Mannar near north western Sri Lanka. There are various controversies regarding the geological evolution and age of Adam's bridge or Ramasethu. It has been regarded as chain of shoals, coral reef, double tombolo, barrier reef etc. Recent studies done by the Geological Survey of India and NASA footage has revealed that it is a man made structure. The survey showed that the bridge was made up of sand and big rocks and rises vertically from the ocean bed to the surface. It was built since time immemorial and was definitely a human construction. Geological processes such as sand and independent rocks as found do not occur together naturally. The rocks were smooth and round which must have been taken from the mountains and the sand from the Rameswaram seaside. In addition a rich assemblage of Mesolithic tools and human fossils were found on both sides of the bridge by the Deparment of Earth science which again supports that it is man made.

Hanuman – a Neanderthal man

Neanderthals are a sub species of Homo sapiens which are extinct now and they are believed to be found in Europe and parts of western and central Asia around 600,000 to 350,000 years ago. They were heavily built and had strong arms and bones. They had the same brain size as that of humans. Some studies show that they had red hair and pale skin color. The discovery of the hyoid bone suggests that speech was anatomically possible. The humans and Neanderthals could have co- existed during the same period. Thus based on the archeological discoveries and the time period when they existed, there is a possibility that Hanuman could have been a Neanderthal man. Perhaps Hanuman is a folk memory reference to Neanderthals.

Now the question arise, who were the demons mentioned in the epic poem? They could have been a sub species of humans called the Homo sapiens fossilis which were found in Europe and western Asia around 300,000 years ago. They were as intelligent as the Homo sapiens and there were cross fertilization (exogamy) between the various groups. Archeological findings show that they constructed permanent homes and were the authors of cave paintings. There must have been constant interaction between the various human species during the same period of time. Ravana and his clan must have been the members of this group. The Rakshasas described must have been the pre historic forest dwellers that practiced cannibalism, also one of the variant hominoids. The pre historic cave painting found in Edakkal, Wayanad might have a connection with the original Ramayana version (yet to be deciphered).



Places associated with Ramayana

In India

Ayodhya is the place where Rama was born.

Mithila now in Nepal was where Sita was found by Janaka in a furrow. It was here Rama and Sita got married.

Rama, Lakshmana and Sita left Ayodhya and went to Sringaverapura – modern Sringverpur in U.P.

Nasik has many places of importance as Tapovan, Ramakund, Lakshmanakund etc.

Panchavati near Bhadrachalam in A.P. is where Ravana abducted Sita.

Kishkinda near Hampi is where Rama met Sugriva and Hanuman.

Anjanadri near Hospet is the birth place of Hanuman.

Sugriva lived near the banks of Pampa in Rishyamukha; Sabari a hermit too lived near Pampa in a hermitage located atop a hill now called Sabarimala.

Rameshwaram is where the Vanaras built the bridge to Lanka from Dhanushkodi.



In Sri Lanka

Sita Ganga a river near Adam's peak (Sri Pada) legend says that Sita bathed here.

Rhumassala kanda in Galle district is a huge mound like hill strangely out of place in the landscape. Legend says that it is a chunk of the Himalayas that Hanuman brought for curing Lakshmana.

Kataragama, an ancient jungle shrine in the south- east region was where Sita was brought in a palanquin after releasing from captivity.

Nuvara Eliya near Hakgala and Bandarawela, is supposed to be the location of Ravana's vast pleasure garden.

Talaimannar in the north- west region is where the Ramasethu ends.

Conclusion

Ramayana is a revered sacred text of India and all the characters are fundamental to the cultural consciousness of India. It contains the teachings of the ancient Indian sages. Ramayana has been growing and changing through centuries. Every era has its own version of Ramayana. Scholars, historians, archeologists, philosophers, politicians etc have their versions. Every Indian has a version of his/her own. As an ordinary individual I believe that Ramayana must have been a prehistoric folklore that had passed on for ages and Valmiki, a Sanskrit scholar and a truth seeker during his sojourn must have heard the folklores from the other sages or Dravidian chieftains. Later he must have incorporated the folklore to the biography of an Aryan king and queen to glorify their deeds. Some of the discrepancies in the text of Valmiki Ramayana make me feel so. In Bala Kanda the author describes the Northern plains to a great extent with reference to the Mahajanapadas of his time. In Uttara kanda the author himself is a character. In Aranya kanda the geography of central and south India are vaguely described and the knowledge of the location of Sri Lanka also lacks detail. However, Ramayana is an extraordinary poetic piece with a moral. Valmiki's knowledge of astronomy, anthropology and his apprehension of Vymanika Shastra (Pushpakavimana) are noteworthy.
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1500 BC is the arbitrary date given by Max Muller, a East Indian Company employee, a Roman Catholic priest of German decent. He could not predate Indian mythology before the Biblical history of Moses and their flight from Egypt. For Max Muller everything began after the First Testament. Nobody could challenge in 1878 when he was translating and writing commentaries on India mythologies and literature. Oxford adopted his dating as pre-eminent and spread the falsehood of Ramayana being 1500BC time frame.

No it was no the truth.

Ram and Ramayan belong about three or four millennium before that. As a few notable posts above have scientifically dated Ram's birth and his horoscope etc. to 5000 BC, but nobody is listening. An evil has been done by the British hired help to Indian religion, mythology and philosophy. It is now spread to internet. Everybody copies the same reference whether write or wrong and this evil is making a greater impact on young people both in india and abroad.
 

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Ramayana is ithihas.

Ithihas is a multidimensional narration cocooned around a fact. So yes, Ramayana occurred but you see many variations and mythological stories in Ramayana because in Dharma every tradition modifies the history to give a message suitable to their context. There is no central authority in Hinduism which controls the narration so these variations are common and it ultimately nourishes the Dharma.
Abrahmic religions can't understand this chaos.
 

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The story of Shri Ramachandra is indeed historical. I am not saying that all events described in Ramayana are true. However my belief is that there was a great king called Ramachandra in ancient India who had great virtues and it is this virtues and ideals which the accounts tell us. One must remember that most of the ancient knowledge of India was passed through the generations orally. In India the system of keeping journals and written records came much later. As a result we see a lot of variations in the tale.
Also Ramayana is the best epic among all stories out there. As ITBP once mentioned that Jesus had asked his followers to love God and only God. To him devotion to God is more important than love for one`s own parents(the very words of the Bible). In Ramayana the opposite thing is conveyed. Ramachandra gives up his kingdom just to keep his father`s words. To him parents are more important than anything. :salute:
 

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