Caste System and "Brahmanism"

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Hope that does make my point clearer now, on why I credit the Brits in playing the most important part in removing caste system(by making populace aware about it in the first place).

Civ's argument is based on the fact that Buddhism and Jainism are egalitarian concepts, which had come from India, even before Brits. So my question is what prevented these two religions from reviving the Indian society out of its untouchability?

Such as Caste System, Untouchabiliy etc etc etc??

If the caste discrimination found in India cant qualify as worst, i dont know what can.

Again, that did not stop the caste discrimination in the Indian Society in the pre-independance eras

Because I see the present "reformed" state of India and at it

Try to read the article before quoting parts of it.

Aurobindo (upper caste btw) was in England, he simply brought him back to India. Not even remotely related to the caste system.

Ambedkar went to Columbia Univ in America and later to the London school of Economics.

If all you can in Hinduism is caste system and untouchability I can only pity you. Oh BTW you say Caste system is not present in other religions ?

Sure as hell it is not worst as it was pre-Independence. You dispute that ?

Did it stop after the British ? No infact they actually vitiated it through their policies like Martial races theory. You know NOT what you are speaking.


Rome was not built in a day. Pessimism and cynicism wont get you anywhere. India has progressed more in 65 years than the last 650 years,

You know what Martial races theory, pioneered by the Brits, is ?

You know what Aryan Invasion Theory again pioneered by Brits is ?

Dude? I was not talking about the castes here. i highlighted his visit to England and how the Western ideas might have influenced him in his decisions to support his education.

Leave that alone, what made Ambedkar to learn in his childhood?
Here is how----

Lets not take away one thing the Brits actually did good, that is implementing western system of education

One good thing does not override the hundreds of things they did that damaged this country.

And why do you assume that Western education would NOT have come if not for the Brits ? Any proof to support your hypothesis ?

There's none so blind as those who will not see

NO, I meant that, if not for the Brits, we would not have even had reformation. The western ideas brought up by the Brits is the one which kindled the reformation in the first place.

And no one is praising them for that.

How do you think western school of thought and education would have come even if British were not there? The only reason we got western education was because of the British rule here.

No..I dont agree with that...Infact the Brahmins armed with British education only perpetuated the caste and not the other way around.

Why not ?

BTW I dont even agree with your assertion that it was "Western" education that is to be credited for whatever good happened...and even going before that..what is Western education ? Can you define it ?

Actually, Islam and Christianity does not advocate caste system or in-equality. Atleast AFAIK, thats one trait I respect a lot in those religions

No I was saying that Pre-independance era caste discrimination and the ones before the advent of the British is the worst

You dint get what i meant, did you? So There were great leaders in India before the advent of Brits, but did it have impact on the indian society of may be 16th century? I dont think so

Exactly, India has progressed a lot in the 65 years(I can even add the British rule, which laid the foundation for the reformation regarding castes) that the period following Decline of Buddhism.

And those who are blinded by hate cant be helped

OK I am playing your game now, So what helped the lessening/loosening of the caste system as we know it? Indian system of education?

AFAIK What we follow, is western system of education- from primary school to colleges and universities....