Are Muslims getting a fair deal in India?

1. thats simplification...there's more to it than that. In anycase those that wanted left while others remained. congress could have easily avoided partition if it really wanted to. even deobandi nutjobs were against it.
2. when pakiis sent in guerrillas to capture kashmir after independence who informed Indians ?
3. ???
4. are you saying only muslims get reservations ? because thats blatantly wrong since even hindus get reservations.
5. again Indian muslims aren't asnwerable for actions of other country muslims. And even then Indians muslims have said they dont want subsidy for haj and if im not mistaken its been recently canceled.

Nailed it!!

We are so insecure that we have these grand delusions in which all the Muslims around the world are conspiring against us, Indian Muslims may face problem in India but this has nothing to do with the Sheikhs sitting in Saudi Arabia!!!!!! We are believing exactly what Pakistanis want us to believe and what those paranoid idiots believe themselves...there is no such thing as the Caliphate and no it is not coming to get you!!!
Grow up people.


On Topic: No one is getting a fair deal in India. The title "Are Hindus/Muslims/Sikhs/Jains.....getting a fair deal in India" would be equally apt.
And the answer would still be NO.

sorry to interrupt...but what u said is obviously not ture...PRC treats muslims very well (apart from some terror separists) within the regime and people from different regional backgrounds can get along quite well with others.

besides PRC has healthy relations with almost all the muslim dominated nations. pakistan is the most important islamic country in the world and how can we possiblely do what u claimed?

This single statement really summed up how much you know of the Muslim world and what kind of treatment they can expect from you.

I can try to agree with you on all except this point. What makes you say so, the friendship with Pakistan? That is no criteria to be the most important islamic country in the world. I'd say neither of us is qualified to make that judgement. Probably some of the muslims on this forum could judge that better.

Regards,
Virendra

4 i am not say only muslim i say as minor when they are having 13-15 % population of india so how they become minor ?
5 subsidy is not stoped
one of my friend is working as clark at school and he say that sc/st student got 500 rupee as scholarship and muslim student have minority scholarship 3000 rupee and till they want more why ?

The brainstorming over whether Muslims in indian were receiving a fair deal in India is a throwback to to issues that dominated Indian political discourse on the eve of Independence.It can be argued that Muslims demanded and Hindus conceded Pakistan,largely because there was a political consensus,that the Hindus would not cede the Muslims,or for that matter any minority cultural groups,the kind of political latitude,which can be treated as amounting to playing a role equal to that of the Hindu society,Hindu outlook,in shaping the national destiny.The overwhelming demographics,the strength of Hindu social institutions,Hindu leadership,all disfavored any similar or equivalent role for any non Hindu social group.

The Muslim homeland was a result of this realization,among both the Hindus and Muslims,that Muslim demand for a 'considerable' space and role in the nation building process would not materialize and that this realization would lead them into great anguish over loss of political space,forced the acceptance of Pakistan.The pertinent question is why is it still an issue in India.

One of the reasons why the right wing movement surged ahead in the past decades was that a perception had gained,very rightly,that the Indian state apparatus,under an error prone interpretation of secularism,had embarked on a process of giving Muslim social-political space,which was disproportionate to their social strength,and more importantly inn this zero sum game of political brinkmanship,the enhanced space for Muslim in the national space could only come at the cost of the Hindus and their receding national space.

For all the minorities,based on the flawed application of secular principles,the strength Indian secularism was direct proportionate to its denial of Hinduness of the Indian nation state,On the otherhand the Hindus society who earlier championed the adoption of secularism,as in keeping spiritual and temporal spheres separate from one another,now suspected it was tantamount to keeping the Hindus society apart from the Indian state.This was unacceptable because the Hindu society had traded geography and suffered immense bloodshed to achieve it.

All though the notion of 'fair deal' may vary both in content and context,the average Hindu believes they the Muslims have received more than a fair deal,considering that Hindus had agreed to a Muslim homeland,occupying a large geography of the former Hindu homeland,precisely to avoid forcing Muslims to depend on Hindu largess for a 'fair deal',or Hindu to be perpetually be worried about his social space,every time Muslims felt need for a 'fair deal'.

Very well said!! These paranoid chaps seem to be in abundance on both sides of the border, peddling the same ideology. I mean everytime some people here go "Pakistan's main pillar is Islam", or "Pakistan is built around Islam", thats totally idiotic and untrue, and exactly what the Pakistanis want to believe for themselves and these chaps probably make the Pakistanis happiest.

From what I see, there are 2 types of people in India; 1.) people who realize Pakistan is the problem and Islam is merely an excuse and a tool for Pakistan. and 2.) Islamophobes, people who are shit scared of Islam and say that Islam is the problem, Pakistan is just a symptom.

It is the second class of people which India needs to be vary about. Instead of breaking down barriers and winning any ideological wars, these chaps merrily assist the Pakistanis in widening the ideological gap and giving Pakistan validity to their very messed up ideology aswell as validity to Pakistan's reason for existence.

On the question of Haj subsidies (my small community does not take it) it is to do with the politics of it more than anything else. No one asked for it and once it was given, no one had the courage to remove it and keep burdening the exchequer. Even the "right" wing govt didn't do anything about it.

Considerable criticism has been leveled against this practice, both by Hindu organizations opposed to state funding of private pilgrimage outside India and by Muslim pressure groups. As an example of the latter, Mohib Ahmad contends that even Air India's subsidized fare is higher than competing airlines' ordinary fare. However, the government has continued offering the Haj subsidy despite protests from the Muslim community at large. Syed Shahabuddin claims that Air India's rising costs for travel, and the consequent increases in the Government of India's subsidy, have resulted partly from differences in foreign exchange rates beyond the airline's control. He suggests charter fares should be set at two-thirds of regular IATA fares, but points out that the Haj has higher costs than other charters because two empty flights are required to return the aircraft to India and to position the aircraft in Arabia for the pilgrims' return journey. Shahabuddin maintains that the subsidy ought to be phased out because Hindus view the subsidy as preferential treatment of India's Muslim minority.

Other Muslim leaders have argued that the Haj subsidy is "un-Islamic" and that Haj money should be invested in education and health instead. The Haj subsidy is a technical violation of Islamic Sharia, since the Quran declares that Haj should be performed by Muslims using their own resources. Influential Muslim lobbies in India have regularly insisted that the Haj subsidy should be phased out as it is UnIslamic. Likewise, Hindu groups argue that a government sponsored Hajj subsidy forcibly taxes Hindus to pay for Muslim religious pilgrimages, and tantamounts to appeasement of Islam.

How is it the fault of Indian Muslims that the govt subsidizes Haj for (perceived) political gains and then have to bear the brunt of it.

The topic is fair treatment. That is all everyone needs. But at the end of the day no one is getting it.

My dear friend does not read latest population servey, Now Hindus and Christian going to be minority soon due to Muslim population growth and Migration. Hindus are divided into so many castes and not united like Muslim in the Name of Islam, Hindus are comparatively less radical compare to Muslim. Here Muslim gets basic right of minorities but in Islamic countries, Minority community never get fair deal even basic right, they face force conversion to Islam, rapes and abduction.

What recent survey?
And how are Muslims going to produce 830 million offsprings to become majority "very" soon!!
And how can a survey determine this, you mean a study?

Boo hoo....
You are comparing modern India with "Islamic Countries" you seem to despise?

Who is to blame for that?

Vishal how is your post any way related to what I had posted that you quoted?
Ridiculous. Muslims are united? Right!! I guess you don't have the right tv channels to know how Muslims are killing each other every day including in places of worship, commonly called mosques.

Your post doesnt make any sense.

Rhetoric and fear mongering rarely make sense.

I am talking about India and not about Pakistan.

Muslim growth rate are certainly higher compare to other communities and its is proved by Government and Private census.

And By the way Indian Muslims certainly get good exposure in education, job and career opportunities.

Its hidden truth that other communities fear a Islamic radicalization but no one talk openly or talk either diplomatic way.

High enough to eclipse the Hindu majority very soon?
This is the height of paranoia.....

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