The RSS Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

So you are backtracking now.

"What about those who Vote BJP because of RSS ? Means, The one who support RSS ideology and support BJP because RSS says so... (The number is bigger than NON-RSS people who support BJP)"

I agree Rss might provide grass root support, though most of the heavy lifting is done by individual candidates.

That is conjecture. Delhi doesn't have regional parties some states have regional parties some don't. And Delhi was bjp's bastion and look what happened in elections, it got mauled despite rss support. And you and I both discussed this earlier too, in a purely punjabi area, a purvanchali won just because he stood from congress.

Presence of rss doesn't matter.

Bjp won UP state because during the early 90s there was a wave of hindutva ideology. People were engulfed in emotions. It couldn''t repeat the perfomance because hindutva fell out of favour.

They are just trying to act as spoilers by polarising the voters by bringing in hindutva, caste etc. UP elections are reminiscent of the early 90s where caste trumps development.

You are absolutely wrong.

Bjp is a centre-right party, whereas congress is centre-left. There is a huge diference in their approach to economic policies and foreign policy. I suggest you please read up on Bjp and Congress's ideology.

If their social agenda wouldn't have been dictated by knickerwalas(hope this term is not derogatory ?) they would've always romped home.

It is frightening and amusing to see you peddle Bjp (by your corollary rss) agenda when you are acutely unaware of its ideology.

Kanchan Gupta, Swapan Dasgupta, Jaswant Singh, Kohli, Ahluwalia, Sinha, Prasad, Kulkarni etc will rip you to shreds.

PS: Both are corrupt. The quantum hardly matters.

5000 years?

Why is there no Hindu temple standing today from the BC era? There are Buddhist structures that are 2300 years old like the Sanchi stupas.

If invasions and destruction are the reason then how come Buddhist temples were spared by invaders?

The oldest hindu temple I know are Gudimallam and the other one is at vadamalpet in chitoor district AP approoximately2500 years both dedicated to shiva and have true phallus as the diety.Might have been a tribal diety before being a shiva temple

No, Not backtracking. RSS don't have 300 Million cadre based. So, Of course All who vote to BJP are not associated with RSS. But I was merely pointing grass-root worker who are mostly from RSS. It's not might but 100% sure. They are permanent, work intensively, defend and everything to make sure BJP wins. Yes, That is not enough to win election. But BJP cannot win even 20 seats without RSS. It goes on both way. BJP needs both (RSS as well as Non-RSS & even who hate RSS). They are trying for last 15 years (Since ABV government). Won few and Lost few election. Individual candidates are also mostly from same background. 60% BJP MP's are associated with that. Most of the Top leaders too. Without support from RSS, No one can become big leader until if you remain silent. There are many moderate faces within BJP like Jaitley, RaviShankar, Rudhy, Ananth Kumar and it's not necessary to talk their past affiliation.

There are mainly 2 national parties. So if one is not there, There will be regional parties. Why there is Fight between Congress Vs INLD/HJC congress and BJP is nearly at 3rd no. in Haryana ? because RSS didn't had major presence in the state since long time. Same story in W.B. and even Kerala. Congress is there in both states. Success of Karnataka goes to RSS. RSS has very strong presence in Bihar. It helped them since long time.

As far as Delhi, Still BJP got 30% votes. Another 5%-10% swing and BJP will come in power. Between 2 parties, One wins and other loses. Simple. As i said, BJP can't win election only with the help of RSS. It needs support from other section too. But It can't win without RSS too.

I have different view on this. BJP lost U.P. election as it left Hindutava during ABV government. You can't ask for vote on same Ram mandir every now and then. Everyone knows, BJP use Ram Mandir issue during U.P. election but does not do anything. Why people will vote ? BJP needs to take some steps to prove that actually they are serious which apparently they are not. Cast based politics is 2nd reason as BJP didn't concentrated on particular cast.

Most of the policy are more or less same. Capitalism, Mix-Economy, International relation. There is some difference, But Now it's does not differentiate to large extend. If we will discuss in details, Only few will able to point-out. The difference between BJP and Congress on policy front is not as large as BJP and Left. 95% Indians don't know the meaning of Capitalism or Centrist. But What that makes differences ?The difference should be visible in clear way, so that anyone can identify the difference.

IMO, If BJP followed the Hindutava, Today they would be ruling the country and working for betterment of the nation like they did during ABV government. BJP loss is due to travelling two boat at same time. Moderates didn't supported BJP and Right-wing also didn't showed keen interest in 2004-2009. Loss from both side due to their flaw in strategy.

You missed many many names.... I won't add more names. I read all, follow few and make up mind on my personal observation. I come from political family background. So, I know How, Who and Why.

Yes, both are corrupt but difference is still 100 times which makes huge difference. One can say, All political party are corrupt irrespective of quantum which i agree.

I have answer but won't answer as this topic is not about Temples and Ancient Hinduism. It's about RSS.

Thanks,I did not know this before.
Anyway you are right there were a number of Tribal dieties in the beginning that were separate from Vedic Brahminism

I agree with this.

Even I voted for BJP in the general elections as well as the Karnataka elections. In national election, my main reason for voting BJP was that the individual BJP candidate was the best among the choices.And in Karnataka state elections, BJP deserved a chance after the misrule by JD(S) and that fool Dharam Singh.

So, that makes me a "BJP voter". But I detest the cow piss connoisseur philosophy, as anyone who has read my posts on this forum knows...

One only needs to read this thread to see how Indian citizens get divided by divisive forces in there lust for power.

there is no use in defending RSS hinduism we are not running religious conversion business.

let's stick to RSS shell we,

it will be more interesting to discussing what they (rashtriya swayamsevak sungh) really are out side their Hindu nationalist image.

Why should an organisation pander to the political whims of appointing/electing a dalit leader? Leaders are born. By electing someone who is backward - just because they are from backward classes- cannot be a good policy anywhere. That makes RSS better than many organisations. The best person leads. Thats how it should be.

Earlier I too used to think just like Karthic in such matters.
BJP was my favorite party. My mind was full of idealism and my view of the Sangh parivar was quite different then.

In the past one year I feel I have gained enlightenment.

Whatever you said JP, a lot of people are so much brainwashed that it will be hard for them to digest the bitter truth. They find it hard see through the facade, and identify the real intentions and ultimate goal.

Well initially i used to get confused between you and karthic.

Golden words.

In some other threads I have defended AMT and you know that.
Do you know that one of the reasons some religious nationalist groups advocate opposition to AIT and AMT is to consolidate the caste and religious identity in order to implement their fanatical designs?

The Nazi party consolidated Germany by brainwashing them that they all belong to a particular race and there are no differences.

I think, It's other way. Those who hate RSS are brain-washed with false allegation, false propaganda, rumors by anti-RSS lobby. There are so many Muslim/Christian blogs/sites, Article and long Leftist/Congress never ending essay says the same what few people said against RSS. Do some research, you will find tons of such article.

I am supporting RSS for last few years. So one can imagine, How much distance i covered. But i never use to say or talk about RSS as few people surrounding me considered as communal. It's was all in my mind. But when i thought a lot for long time......I didn't found any reason not to support. Indeed, I find more and more reasons to support. So, I say it openly. I have few Muslims and Christians friends too and they also know that. RSS may not be perfect, I know few of its flaws....But still it's far better. May be because i consider myself somewhere between Centrist-Rightist.

Most of the people who hate RSS are Non-Hindus/Leftist/Atheist.....which i observed since very long time. One can check the thread to know. Who cares what they think? Afterall, This group is not for them. It's officially mentioned that it's for Hinduism. Not all support still RSS is the largest Hindu officially organisation in the world. That itself says everything........

He is better than Bal and SS.
I dislike his party cadre's methods but there is not much wrong with his reasons.