The RSS Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

Sir,

Your logic is faulty. If an organization is communal it doesn't mean it has to be illegal.
And discussions can turn communal in any thread.

Brigadier Hinduism has two streams of thought orthodoxy stream and the Heterodox stream

The Orthodox stream consists of the Vedas,Brahmanas and the smritis such as Yajnavalka Smriti,Manusmriti and the shastras.

Where as the Heterodox or the shramanas or the progressive stream consists of Upanishads ,Bhagavata,Jainism ,buddhism and other progressive philosophies

Now thanks to being a melting pot and part ignorance people get confused between these two streams

I will add another stream of religion

the Hybrid stream:Sikhism which combines the best of hinduism and Abrahamic faith.The Heterodox and Hybrid streams advocate the free for all as you stated.

Where as the orthodox stream is all about power and enforcing the caste system .But alas sadly throughout history the orthodox stream has got more precedence was sadly more enforced and we can see those effects on the ground in the form of varna's and jatis whic transformed India into a doghouse of castes

Brigadier religion is like a crutch to a man.The poor man is more intrested in religion act as a moral crutch in times of difficult he is not intrested in sophistry(Barring enlightened souls).He wants an audience with god and words of comfort that is what the church father or the moulana in the mosque provides.What does hindusim have to offer neither an audience with god for the lower classes or nor support of words to the least

1. A vote for BJP is not a vote for Rss.

2. Being a member of Rss doesn't mean you actually believe in their ideology.


I know of 2 cases personally.

1. An insurance salesman who joined Rss (and various other oragnizations for networking). He said all others were doing it, and he didn't want to be left behind.

2. A small time businessman whose daughter was unwell. His neighbourhood rss leader had good connections with the hospital his daughter was admitted in.

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What about those who Vote BJP because of RSS ? Means, The one who support RSS ideology and support BJP because RSS says so... (The number is bigger than NON-RSS people who support BJP)

BJP doesn't have strong party base. It's all RSS and it's organisation who work for BJP.

Although, BJP is following strategy to take support from Non-RSS supporter as well as RSS. That's why there are two voice from BJP. In 90's. ABV which is considered as moderate face tried for Non-RSS supporter & moderate, Adavni tried for RSS ideology. I don't know how come party will continue to cross the river by using 2 boats. It worked in some cases and failed too, Let see what next.....

Well, I agree BJP is not the pure reflection of RSS. It cannot due to political compulsion and in the age of collision politics as of now.

Hope, One day BJP wins 272 seats on own (Although not happening in near future). Then RSS ideology like Common Civil code, Abolish of article 365, 3 temples, throwing Bangladeshi out of country will come in picture. Till date, Its below carpet.

Since, it's RSS permanent ideology. Hence, BJP is not needed to raise the issue.

^^ I was waiting for this .

Your assertion that amongst the voters of BJP, the majority our RSS supporters is unequivocally false imo. Rss is but a minuscule votebase.

You have yourself heard of people whose Rss family members, voted for Congress. I have also given examples where people joined Rss purely because of self-interest.

And another point you yourself mentioned in the UP election thread that caste matters, and you were able to project 50% seats if certain caste combinations worked for BJP. If Rss was indeed the majority votebank of BJP, then why did you make such a statement.

And please explain the anti-incumbency factor, the caste issue, the votebank politics, the waxing and waning fortunes of BJP; these would be irrelevant if RSS comprised of the majority BJP votes.

I completely disagree. I have visited many places and seen party workers. I have met many BJP leaders and i have seen who help them to win a MLA or MP seat.

If you are referring to VOTER ? last time, BJP got 36% vote in Uttrakhand which means 3-4 million support. I am sure, RSS and it's other organisation don't have more than 0.3 million cadre there. So that means it's merely 3% that also i think it's on higher side. But those people actually work for party. Election are not only won by people verdict but by strong grass-root supporter and party workers. Non-RSS who vote to BJP don't come to support party. They just vote on election day for some reason. One reason is anger against other parties specially Congress. They are not permanent.

Why Congress failed to win 5 seat in Bihar ? Why BJP failed to win 5 seats in W.B. ? But Congress/BJP performed quite well in other states. it's because of party worker and strong base. BJP can never ever vanish from states like Bihar or Delhi - because there are large no. of RSS affiliated workers who work for party all the time.

As far as U.P. is concerned, BJP won U.P. state and ruled for many years due to Hindutava Ideology. Lost when they tried to ask vote on the basis of performance in cast loyalty state. BJP gave up it's Hindutava ideology during ABV government only. Currently, At 3th number and many are saying it will be at 4th number after result. If BJP projected UMA Bharati a year back in same way like earlier, Things would be much better. BJP has one disadvantage - It cannot become cast based party as it will effect other states.

As far as Economy, Social welfare, Development, International relations are concerned - Both BJP & Congress have more or less same policy with few small differences. They just oppose each other due to politics. Only thing makes huge difference is Congress is one family party and corruption is many many times higher than BJP overall. According to me, If BJP will forget it's core ideology. Party will become 2nd Congress. Why to vote to BJP when Congress is there ?? who cares about Dynasty and if corruption reduces and performance improves ?

IamAnIdiot

Request you read Babasaheb Ambedkar's criticism of Islam and Christianity.

That's why I dislike both.

Let keep BJP aside. RSS doesn't not need BJP and BJP can do whatever it wants. This thread is about RSS only.

Lemontree deliberately hijacked the thread by popping up by posting Karnataka Minister scandal. I can understand his intention. I thought the thread will be down for few days and will post important news later on regular internal from mainstream media. There are many things which is not related with any other religion too.

There are 2 main allegation that were made 1>Brahmanism 2> Extremism against Non-Hindus. Answer were already replied by few people including me in best possible way even when there is no evidence/proof to discuss those things. If anyone has anything to say with proper evidence, post but don't make noise everyday like Diggy Singh doing. It's better to remain silent than becoming laughing stock. Many people have 1,000 reason to support. There can't be any discussion as it's related with religion. Non-Hindus with some support from Atheist/Hindus will always hate RSS. Only post important news or points if needed.

Good...... Keep Hating !!

Are you sure that organisation wants to abolish Article 365?

I think you are wrong, maybe you meant article 370( Kashmir related)

I have never come across cong or BJP demanding abolition of article 365.

Article 365 indeed should be abolished since it is anti federal and has been misused a lot.
It has been misused a lot to dismiss state govts by the centre in the past particularly from 1968 to 1989.

Ohh Sorry, Article 370. Was typo mistake.

Hate is an extreme word. I don't hate them, only dislike.

But I hate Congress. I don't like BJP in same way the way i hate Congress.