Christian population in Mumbai falls--muslim population fastest growing

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Demographic change brought down Buddhism ? Where did you learn that ?! There are various reasons, but main being the gradual assimilation of Buddhism+loss of state support and the invasions which destroyed Buddhist bastions like Gandhara and Nalanda

I would say Indian faiths are more spiritual than purely religious. Isn't Buddhism the fastest growing 'religion' in the West?

Hell yes to culture !Wtf are our 'ideals' ?! I will not believe in some silly engineered identity based on fancy words !

Naah I said something like Africa. Christians fighting Muslims, various sects of Muslims killing each other etc. Pakistan x100 times worse.

You are very wrong. All Iranians practice nowrooz and don't think of it as some pagan nonsense.....and Adux Shia Islamic culture IS Iranian culture ! That's what I meant when I said that Iran shaped Islam in it's own image..


This paragraph just drained all my brain cells. I think I need to recharge

Its 3.30 and I am bit drowsy. Will reply later. Do forgive me, if you couldnt understand my post

Oh I understood your paragraph. But lost the will to argue after reading it.

Draining brain cells is right. What ever the heck you mean by that?

This is India? This is Hinduism? It is from such helplessness people want to escape? Of course Asian and Arab and African communities in the West (irrespective of religion) who force their daughters and sometimes sons (born and raised in the West) into marriages with someone from their ancestral land for the sake of biradari and ghairat are enlightened enough to consider what their daughters deserve.

This one para has so many contradictions that you did you sure you were not preparing jalebi when you wrote this? Or was it the usual "facts-are-facts-when-convenient-else-it's-propaganda" from you? I suspect a bit of both.

Where the eff did you read that he was hung up on caste? Only thing that matters to him was that the guy be a Hindu and he may provide for her in the same manner he has done as a father and have similar worldview as him. Which Indian father doesnt want this? Unfortunately for him, there arent much families from the same caste or lower, the higher caste wont marry her. Here is a daughter, who according to him never crossed any societal limits (Ref: Indian Family values), expected her father like any Indian father, to find her a suitable bridegroom. She is 28. He is 65, Do you know the kind of heartache that poor man is going through at his daughter's age. His own friends, who eats with him, works with him, who knows he is a perfect gentleman and who has eligable son's wont even come to an alliance with him. His only fault, he was born in a lower caste, and his daughter born to him.

I could sitting here with effin with Marilyn Savant and making Jalebi's, not that you would have the capacity to hold an intelligent conversation or comprehend what anyone says. I suggest you stick to your 4 line notebooks and colouring books.

Leave the discussion to adults.

Precisely kid, now run along and play with your barbie and ken.

[QUOTE=LurkerBaba;281350] ?!!!

You are wrong there LB
There was mass conversion of people into Hinduism, as the lines between Buddhism and Hinduism blurred at various stages and leveles.

Decline of Buddhism in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Decline of Buddhism in India
West also has the fastest decline in religious views and population.

I do concur, it shouldnt be just some engineered fancy words. But adopting culture, also means adopting many many negative aspects of our culture, which have been followed as traditions. I rather have ideals and have a modern unique (in a way pop) Indian culture. Rather than dig something which are centuries old. But that's just me.


That would happen anyways. Wether it is religion or inter religion. If this was a 100% Hindu Country, Trust me it will be against Hindu's against other Hindu's ( as has happened in the past) or one region against the other.


There are people who believe and increasingly that Iranian culture before the advent Shia Islam was the period golden glorious Iran. They call that the true Iranian culture. I am not very sure wether this a fringe fad or a true grass root level movement, there have been cases of Iranian muslims converting to Zoroastrianism and Christianity, and even lot more into Atheism.




If you werent being sarcastic, his plight is quite saddening. That man must have gone through a zillion matrimonial website's and profiles. He jokes, He could see that girls with similar background as his daughter, puts "caste no bar" while boys from higher caste write about how they will only marry from their own. I do see him quite often at my Rotary meets. I do believe the India is a country is far ahead in times of the Indian society.

You're completely missing the point. And remember I'm not stressing on the word Hindu. Just the ideology (whatever it is) should look inward for authority. It it looks outward, outside powers will obviously take advantage (like in Africa)

I was not being sarcastic

Define modern and explain how Hinduism won't survive for eg the next 50years as far as I know its been here for centuries.

? I see no such facts at hand, this is merely your wish (which you are entitled to). If anything I see a string of facts which indicate that India would be much better off as a secular progressive society where religion is kept to the private sphere. And yes, what you suggest is very much theocracy, where the state would be guided entirely by Hindu law (the incumbent constitution does not allow this).

There is nothing spectacular about the rise of a foil to a lethargic one party democratic institution. What is more interesting to note is how the Hindu nationalist party shot itself in the foot by limiting it's scope to inconsequential Hindutva talking points. Bottom line is that unless the political parties of India deliver what the people really want... and that is economic prosperity, they are bound to be forgotten (and rightfully so).

One need not have a crystal ball to see the ground reality and contrive the irreversible effects of a phenomenon like globalization (which you erroneously consider to be transient). This is all the more prevalent in nations like India which are a driving force behind the phenomenon. Indians want a higher standard of living, an equitable voice and liberty from the yolk of archaic social practices and economic isolation. For governments this means only one thing... economic growth... more jobs, more roads, more schools, more broad band connectivity and greater liberalization. The restoration of the supposed Hindu nation isn't really high on the list of objectives at the moment. And if this ever changes I will be more than happy to discuss the details of the new glorious Hindu empire. But until then we'll have to settle for Jai ho!

Please provide me details with the decline of Hinduism you are referring to because until then I won't be able to construct an argument befitting the context.

As far as the poaching is concerned this is primarily within the disenfranchised communities which have always been neglected. Their conversion does not affect the adherents of Hinduism that are the overwhelming majority in India. If history is to be considered a good predictor of the future (and I think it is) then the chances of eradication of Hinduism seem highly unlikely.

"Christian population falls while Muslim numbers rise:" this is an ominous sign for Mumbai... Christians have always been an effective moderating and modernising force wherever they congregate in decisive numbers. But when their numbers start dwindling there are very serious underlining reasons for the demographic shift, often negative.

@Energon

The rise of the BJP,its affiliation to the Sangh parivar and its avowed commitment to restore Indian statehood to its Hindu roots,marks a singular remarkable episode in the India contemporary political History.The nonchalance with which you dismiss its significance mostly reflects your aversion to acknowledge something that upsets your hypothesis that modern post globalization India has rejected her archaic past and embraced this neo western modernism.

Neither was BJP a beneficiary of the Indian society's tiring put with perpetual incumbency of the centrist-left congress party,you have to remember that the masses had grown tired of the congress and had voted it out of power way back in 1977.Political observers have long noted the difference in the coming to power of the socialist janata party in '77 and the watershed years of 90's for the BJP.Janata party indeed was the beneficiary of the overwhelming anti incumbency feeling that swept the Indian society visa-viv Indira Gandhi's Congress and they often cite the return of Indira Gandhi, with a thumping majority three years later,as evidence to this 'on a urge' reaction.

Contrary to the transient crest wave that swept the socialist janata party to power,the shift to the Right,beginning in the late 80's through the 90's and well into the new century, represented a significant paradigm shift in the ideological alignment happening in the Indian society,a progressively permanent one at that.Significantly all this was happening in the backdrop of the various policy undertakings which had ushered India into the era of globalization and its accompanying promise openness.

If anything globalization allowed the Indian society to connect back to its roots,unencumbered by the overbearing involvement of a patronizing acultural state.In the newly emerging political realignments in India's political landscape,globalized India thrust Hindutva as a significant pole in the multi-polar structure.

Hindutva has come to stay and is rapidly gaining ground,only a serious case of political catharsis can blind someone to the significant impact hindutva has already made on the Indian national consciousness and its increasingly dominant voice in the political evolution of the Indian statehood.

Hindutva does not represent an archaic system of organizing a society and its state,its a very modern theory,that allows India to organize its nationhood in the most stable and natural basis.Hindutva,within its overarching social-political expression,can accommodate all the needs of the modern indian society,economic dynamism,affirmative action for deprived communities,protecting the minorities,expanding India's interaction with a globalized world.

Hindutva is an established political reality in India,ignore it at your own peril.

P.S:Energon,your contention that India was not a Hindu nation at any point in time,contradicts both contemporary history and history anterior to it.All the indigenous political struggle that had political liberation as their basis,the Rajput resistance against the Turko-Arab state,the Maratha resistance against the Bhamani states and the Mughal empire,the nationalist struggle against colonial Britain,all had a distinct Hindu undertone.The very division of British India into Hindu and Muslim countries refutes your above contention.