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    Awesome : GOI finally growing some balls

    Ready to offer help to ease tensions over Tibet: Krishna - The Times of India

    This will piss the CCP no end. Finally we are willing to elbow nudge China on Tibet.

    Ready to offer help to ease tensions over Tibet: Krishna

    BEIJING: Describing Tibet issue as an internal affair of China, India said it was "willing to offer any help" to ease the recent spurt in tensions, striking a cautious note on the self immolations by Buddhist monks and subsequent violence.

    External affairs minister, SM Krishna who held extensive talks with four senior Chinese leaders today, told the media here that the Tibetan issue had figured during the parleys.

    "We did discuss Tibetan issue also. It is government of India's position that the Tibetan Autonomous Region is part of the People's Republic of China, (PRC) as a result of that we are dealing with internal affairs of China", he said.

    "Hence we have to be very cautious and any help that we can render to ease the tensions, we are too willing to do it. But I do not think that situation will ever arise", he said.

    Krishna was replying to question whether Chinese leaders have raised Beijing's concerns over recent incidents in Tibet.

    Elaborating on India's stand, Indian officials said India is striking a cautious note on the Tibetan situation and want to reiterate that New Delhi is sticking to its previous stand that Tibet is part of China.

    India also reportedly reiterated the stand that the Dalai Lama is an honoured guest and his activities were not political.

    Sixteen Buddhist Monks attempted self immolations in the recent months and two persons were killed in recent violent demonstrations in Sichuan province, bordering Tibet.

    China yesterday blamed the Tibetan Youth Congress for the violence and self immolations and vowed to put down the violence.

    Krishna, who inaugurated the $10 million Indian Embassy began his day by meeting Zhou Yongkong, a senior politburo member of the ruling Communist Party of China, (CPC).
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    This will piss the CCP no end. Finally we are willing to elbow nudge China on Tibet.
    From the article:
    Elaborating on India's stand, Indian officials said India is striking a cautious note on the Tibetan situation and want to reiterate that New Delhi is sticking to its previous stand that Tibet is part of China.
    Don't know how much of a nudge it is, but to India's credit, it didn't put his holiness out the back door with the garbage in the snow.

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    Presently there is a round of Indo-China border talks going on

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    Its a bargain chip thrown to indicate that, if you stop mischief in pok then we will help to reduce international pressure when it comes to Tibet.
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    Ready to offer help to ease tensions over Tibet: Krishna

    BEIJING: Describing Tibet issue as an internal affair of China, India said it was "willing to offer any help" to ease the recent spurt in tensions, striking a cautious note on the self immolations by Buddhist monks and subsequent violence.

    External affairs minister, SM Krishna who held extensive talks with four senior Chinese leaders today, told the media here that the Tibetan issue had figured during the parleys.

    "We did discuss Tibetan issue also. It is government of India's position that the Tibetan Autonomous Region is part of the People's Republic of China, (PRC) as a result of that we are dealing with internal affairs of China", he said.

    "Hence we have to be very cautious and any help that we can render to ease the tensions, we are too willing to do it. But I do not think that situation will ever arise", he said.

    Krishna was replying to question whether Chinese leaders have raised Beijing's concerns over recent incidents in Tibet.

    Elaborating on India's stand, Indian officials said India is striking a cautious note on the Tibetan situation and want to reiterate that New Delhi is sticking to its previous stand that Tibet is part of China.

    India also reportedly reiterated the stand that the Dalai Lama is an honoured guest and his activities were not political.

    Sixteen Buddhist Monks attempted self immolations in the recent months and two persons were killed in recent violent demonstrations in Sichuan province, bordering Tibet.

    China yesterday blamed the Tibetan Youth Congress for the violence and self immolations and vowed to put down the violence.

    Krishna, who inaugurated the $10 million Indian Embassy began his day by meeting Zhou Yongkong, a senior politburo member of the ruling Communist Party of China, (CPC).

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    How is he suggesting India will assist in easing tensions?

    Is he suggesting that the Dalai Lama is behind the tensions?

    Is he suggesting that the Indian Govt is allowing political activities, which he is banned from doing as a part of the decision that the Tibetans were allowed asylum on the tacit understanding that they would not undertake any activity that would be taken to be anti China?

    So, what is he suggesting that India is going to do, to ease tensions?

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    I guess what he means is that india gov will make an effort to bring both sides to the table.

    Even though, we know neither side would agree with this, at least he gives it a try and no one can blame india gov - the host of Dalai Lama, is doing nothing.

    What more comes into my brain is why exile tibet suddently starts to cause all these intensions: I just wonder maybe, just maybe, Dalai Lama's health is not very good now. So, they need to creat kind of crisis so that their appointed successor could come out to calm whole thing down and gain some reputation from it.

    Let's see what happend next.

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    Cha i was hoping for something good. But all i found was disappointment. I really expected to see some arm twisting by GOI but only to see that they had did nothing but sucked the chinese dic*. Anyway thats all i take from this news. But i may be wrong and if so will someone please explain why it is so?

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    As kamalakumar said already, there Krishna seems to be going along with Chinese POV rather than anything else ...?
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    First of all why did Krishna say Tibet is part of china? Why dont they draw parallel with chinese? When china is saying Arunachal Pradesh is a part of China, why do dont we take a stand saying Tibet is Autonomous.

    Indian politicians are headless. India should have tit for tat approach with china.

    India should not have discussed about Tibet at all. Instead they should have discussed about Aksai Chin, Chinese support to Assmese militants. Border skirmishes & Visa issues.
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    I just wonder maybe, just maybe, Dalai Lama's health is not very good now. So, they need to creat kind of crisis so that their appointed successor could come out to calm whole thing down and gain some reputation from it.
    Succession of Dalai Lama is not going to be by 'election' or 'appointing'. There're established procedures for "reincarnation" . Just sit tight and watch the show ...

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    The reincarnation system of a living Buddha is unique to Tibetan Buddhism. It has complete religious rituals and long-standing conventions. The reincarnation of the Dalai Lama must have the support of Tibetan Buddhist practitioners and the approval of the Chinese central government.

    What do the religious rituals of living Buddha reincarnations refer to? All enthronements of the reincarnations of the Dalai Lamas have been required to be approved by the central government since the Shunzhi Emperor of the Qing Dynasty conferred the title to the Fifth Dalai Lama in 1653.

    The Qing Dynasty released the golden urn lottery system in 1872. A stone tablet in Beijing's Yonghe Lama Temple was established during the reign of the Qianlong Emperor and is engraved with words describing earlier serious nepotism problems in the selection of the Dalai Lamas. It said that the title of the Dalai Lama had been passed on among only those with affinity, so the selected "reincarnated souls" (or the "soul boy") were all from one family that virtually maintained a monopoly on the title. Therefore, the Qing Dynasty prepared two golden urns and sent one of them to Tibet for selecting the Dalai Lamas by asking candidates to draw lots from the golden urn.

    Thereafter, the religious rituals of living Buddha reincarnations were generally established. First, after a Dalai Lama passes away (people cannot be reincarnated until they die), the living Buddha and senior monks will form a team to select the soul boy. Second, the team will first select candidate boys to participate in the golden urn lottery.

    Third, the team will submit the list of the candidates to the central government for approval. Fourth, the central government will assign officials to host the golden urn lottery. Fifth, the team will apply to the central government for the enthronement of the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama selected through the lottery. Sixth, the central government will allocate officials to hold the enthronement ceremony for the Dalai Lama.

    The golden urn lottery is the most important step of the aforementioned procedures, because it upholds the central government's conferment authority, respects the "decision by Gautama Buddha's Dharma," and helps to prevent corrupt practices during the selection of the Dalai Lamas. This system has universally been embraced by Tibetan Buddhists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girishbharath View Post
    First of all why did Krishna say Tibet is part of china? Why dont they draw parallel with chinese? When china is saying Arunachal Pradesh is a part of China, why do dont we take a stand saying Tibet is Autonomous.

    Indian politicians are headless. India should have tit for tat approach with china.

    India should not have discussed about Tibet at all. Instead they should have discussed about Aksai Chin, Chinese support to Assmese militants. Border skirmishes & Visa issues.
    India has stated that Tibet is an Autonomous Region of China.

    The critical words are Autonomous Region.

    However, since Tibet, is being ruled by China and Chinese law, it makes the original recognition legally void!
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    It's up to China to define or interpret "autonomous" , like Canada doing for Quebec, or Russia for Kalmykia

    The accent of the so-called recognition is on it being an integral part of the sovereignty, under which status of the mentioned regions is totally an internal affair
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    China itself calls tibet as autonomous region(as far as i know), how does does saying "we will help you put down the tibet unrest"(albiet we will provide all diplomatic support for your crackdown of the tibetan) show that GOI has developed balls, when they are openly supporting pak in pok and covertly supporting north east insurgents. India should stop appeasing the chinese for their every whim as they are aggressors and an aggressor is an aggressor no matter what(remember hitler)

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