Pakistan misleading people on Indus Water Treaty

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    Indus Water Treaty: Politicisation will only harm Pakistan


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    Njam Sethi on Water and Kashmir












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    cross-posting
    A morning with Farah sure deseve place in WTF from Pakistan will be cross posting the same in indus water stealing thread.coz it shows how pakistani talks about without facts and figures on various issues including indus water.If this is the pakistani middle class which Nirupama Subramanian doing equal-equal with indian middle class then she is sure shorsighted.And being a Journalist she got to have facts and figure otherwise she is nothing but another DDM coz Nirupama Subramanian always tried to skirt the question by saying i ve no facts and figures so i cant comment.



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    IWT is a multilateral treaty (not bilateral) involving India, Pakistan and IBRD. It was signed by Pandit Nahru, on behalf of India, FM Ayub Khan, on behalf of Pakistan and W.A.B. Iliff on behalf of IBRD. However, IBRD restricts itself to purposes specified in Articles V and X and Annexures F, G and H. IBRD is still involved in resolution of differences, though not directly. See later as to why this is an important point.

    Article XII, Final Provisions, of the IWT states as follows:

    (3) The provisions of this Treaty may from time to time be modified by a duly ratified treaty concluded for that purpose between the two Governments.
    (4) The provisions of this Treaty, or the provisions of this Treaty as modified under the provisions of Paragraph (3), shall continue in force until terminated by a duly ratified treaty concluded for that purpose between the two Governments.

    So, IWT allows both the parties to modify the existing Treaty and can only be terminated by a newly 'ratified' Treaty. There is therefore no provision of any party withdrawing unilaterally from the Treaty. In other words, the IWT does not have a provision for self-termination.

    Of course, Pakistan may cite 'breaches by India of IWT provisions' to withdraw from the Treaty. But, for that it will have to have solid evidences and be prepared to take the matter to appropriate international arbitration. As of now, Pakistan has no proof of India breaching the Treaty even once, leave alone being a habitual offender whcih alone, IMHO, can form sufficient ground for Pakistan to seek extra-Treaty avenues. It will not be possible to take the matter to ICJ, the usual Pakistani fetish, for two reasons: one, the IWT itself has ample provisions for settlement of disputes and without exhausting those avenues, the ICJ may not even register the case and two, the ICJ may not be interested to take up the case after its previous ruling involving the Atlantique dispute between both these countries.

    In the Atlantique shooting-down case, India successfully argued, among other things, that ICJ had no jurisdiction in matters pertaining to two members of the Commonwealth and that Independent India did not inherit any treaties that British India acceded to like the General Act of 1928.

    Besides the above, India will strongly argue that the IWT, being a multilateral treaty, all the parties involved in the Treaty must also be parties to the case, a condition to which IBRD is not likely to subject itself to.

    I do not therefore see any possibility of Pakistan taking the matter to any other arbitration. If Pakistan therefore withdraws from IWT, that should simply give India a free hand to go ahead with projects without referring them to Pakistan.

    Pakistan must realize that a new and more favourable Treaty is impossible even from a India. The existing Treaty is the best it has got.

    - if Pakistan with help from its 3.5 friends will ask for a new water treaty.

    It may not be a brand new Treaty, but a modified IWT to give more guarantees to Pakistan and place more restrictions on India. The Pakistani PIC has already revealed Pakistan's approach. Pakistan wants to modify the Treaty to ensure that India does not build too many hydroelectric projects and it uses generated power only within J&K (preferably Kashmir Valley). Besides, it may want to have a say in the management of catchment areas and glaciers that contribute waters to the 'western' rivers.

    Of course, none of these can be agreed upon by India. But, India should be prepared to ward off pressure from the notorious 3½. It has been the constant and successful theme of Pakistan that Pakistan's behaviour is dictated by a threatening massive neighbour. The members of the 3½ have bought this argument repeatedly and tried to shape India's behaviour either through coercion or through dangling intangible carrots (which never materialized in the end).

    We have to presume that they will once again try to get some concessions from India in favour of Pakistan as they have done in the past. The Home secretary's recent declaration that India will produce a White Paper on the water treaty and its implementation so far has to be seen in this context.

    - if India, under the "aman ki tamasha" program concedes a more profitable deal for pakis (hey we are not using this water anyway, so all the unused potential is available to the downstream partner; and we do that always in india - when allocating water resources between states).

    The only waters that India has not completely used are as follows:
    Excess flood flows in the 'Eastern' rivers.
    Entitlement for agricultural use on the 'Western' rivers, and
    Entitlement for 'storage works' on the 'Western' rivers

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    The coming water disaster


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    India would be foolish to allow usa creep into IWT,which is not a dispute at all.its a big lie created like that of chritine fair 1000 indian consulate in afghanistan.most of the pakistani lies orginate from usa think tank at first.

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    Hillary douses Pak's ire on water; says it's a bilateral issue


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    Well well wel...even usa know that pakistan is lying over water issue hence they dont want to come in between rather they are advising pakistanis to improve their water management.


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    Video of the above interview.




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    Aye Aye sir.After USA poured cold water over mediating over water issue now Jamat ali shah say water dispute has to be resolved bilaterally.Hey but India has been saying the same for past 63 year but then pak always run to uncle.Now if one sees there is no dispute over indus water coz india is allowed to build the dam under treaty and has been allocated water from chenab and jhelum for agriculture and storage.India has not been using its share in chenab and jhelum coz there is no infrastructure of canals and dams for storage over these rivers in india till now.Inshallah soon india will start using its rightful share of water from chenab and jhelum when kishenganga dam gets completed.And pakistans noise over stealing water is lie same as its lie that kasab and other 26/11 terrorists were not pakistani and pakistani state and army has no hand in attack.which again proved to be a lie after headly naming 3 pak army serving officers.so as Christine fairs say that pakistanis are congenial lier.Now lets look for lies in following pakistani news.

    Pak-India water dispute be resolved bilaterally: Jamaat Ali Shah


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    WATER CRISIS IN PAKISTAN


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    SINDH-PUNJAB WATER DISPUTE 1859-2003

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    Conflict management on water sharing and storage


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    This paper gives indication how Pak- Punjab steals water from sindh and balochistan.There is no shortage of water in punjab but the table shows shortage in sindh and balochistan.Punjab in order to hide its water stealing blame it on india and its the punjabis who are making noises ie punjabi politician/media house/punjabi army and punjabi jehadi ie L-e-T about india stealing water in order to deflect the blame from itself and misguide other provinces.

    Kharif 2000 River Water Distribution and Management


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