Pakistan begs 50 JF-17 charity; talks on for J20; China to launch satellite for Pak

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Pakistan begs 50 JF-17 charity; talks on for stealth; launch satellite for pakistan

China has agreed to immediately provide Pakistan 50 new JF-17 Thunder multi-role jets under a co-production agreement even as talks are on for more fighter aircraft including those with stealth technology.

China will immediately provide 50 JF-17 Thunder aircraft to Pakistan, an unnamed official was quoted as saying by the Dawn daily.

"We will get these planes in weeks," he said, adding that a formal agreement to that effect was likely to be signed today.

The official said Pakistan and China were already jointly producing the JF-17 aircraft, but these 50 planes would be equipped with more sophisticated avionics.

He said the war planes to be fully funded by China would help bolster Pakistan's defence and add to tactical capability of its air force.

The News daily reported that it is likely that these planes will be supplied by June next year.

It added that the two countries are also discussing the supply of Chinese J-20 stealth jets and Xiaolong/FC-1(j-10) multi-purpose light fighter aircraft to Pakistan.

They are discussing the mode of payment and the number of planes to be provided to Pakistan, the report said. With the supply of the new fighters, Pakistan Air Force will now have a total of 260 Chinese jets, making them the mainstay of the force.

Meanwhile, in a sign of greater cooperation between the two countries, China will also launch a satellite for Pakistan on August 14.

The satellite will supply "multifarious data" to Pakistan, the report said.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was on a visit to China, said both sides had agreed to increase defence cooperation and China had assured Pakistan of help in enhancing the capacity of its armed forces.
 

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I appreciate there begging skills. no doubt they are the best in begging, manage so much in few months we as India, despite of having loads of money $$$$$$$ still looking for Mrca, Howitzers, Tanks, Missile, Choppers,Transport etcccccccccccccccc
 

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I don't able to understand why china did not find any other country other than pakistan on this planet earth to feed. They know pak also responsible for islamic uprising in western provinces of china. Chinese are known to be very good business man, don't know, wats cooking deep. But pak is like snake which will spell venom later on its master's. Thats there fitrat( they are known for that). Let's see how long china feeds this begger. Feeding begger is against the ideology of china as far as i know
 

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It would be interesting to see how much the Chinese invest in their unstable partner.
Doing less would mean they let Pakistan collapse. Doing more means they run the risk of losing a lot if and when Pakistan collapses.
Another thing worth seeing is the quality of their co-operation (uhh .. charity). Meaning, what kind of technologies and equipment the Chinese would provide to Pakistan. Is it one of their best or the 2nd in line stuff?

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Badguy please provide something more than pictures to credit China's AESA. What understanding that pic is going to give? Just some fighter with nose open showing its radar.
 

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Badguy please provide something more than pictures to credit China's AESA. What understanding that pic is going to give? Just some fighter with nose open showing its radar.

the naked radar is obviously either AESA or PESA...

according to "deep throat" from CD, AESA for J20 was finished in 2008...then it was fixed on J10B first ....

In fact, I posted a related thread on 2009...of course, it was peed by CHina-haters such as Vlamdir79 and Mr. Armand.
http://defenceforumindia.com/chines...first-phased-array-radar-finished-2008-a.html

Now, the AESA of J10B confirmed my old post...however, I don't expect that China-haters such as MR Armand would take back their cheap pee.
 
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badguy what is the news on the Radar? Do they actually work or does it pick up FM radio and satellite TV in flight?

Also looks like one of the engine in the picture is out? The nozzle seems to have opened up on the left one.
 

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the naked radar is obviously either AESA or PESA...
I really can't get the sense behind your assumptions & visualizations.

Haters are merely curious about authenticity of these allegedly advanced electronic products. Lack of credible specs in Chinese radars & they being supplied to Pakistan to threaten US/India brings laughter more than hate atleast for me.

Rest assured Armand & Mr.Vladimir are entitled to their opinions. :)
 

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LETHALFORCE
Please provide the reference for your comment.
The below is my argument for this issue. Just couple of examples
1. J10 domestic radar
Chengdu J-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"the J-10 uses a multi-mode fire-control radar designed in China."
Uncited wiki don't mean shyte. Deputy Director of Sukhoi says it is a Russian radar...

Sergei Sergeev said:
2. J11B radar
"the PLAAF decided to modernize the J-11 with domestic radar, avionic suites, manufacture methods and material upgrades to extend the life of the aircraft in service."
Shenyang J-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
J-11s obviously use Russian radars as that is what was exported.

That radar interrogator looks real advanced... :laugh:



4. JF17 Radar
"In November 2007 it was reported that the PAF and PAC were conducting flight evaluation of the SBP aircraft fitted with a variant of the NRIET KLJ-10 radar, designed and built by China's Nanjing Research Institute for Electronic Technology (NRIET), and the LETRI SD-10 active radar homing air-to-air missile"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_/_...ending-50-3g-aircraft-charity.html#post265855
Didn't Pakistan come begging to us for RDY-3?

5. Indigenously engine for J11B/BS/15/10B
Shenyang WS-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So why do they still fly on AL-31F?? :laugh:
 
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Let's see how long it will take China to deliver all the planes, if it is a new deal, it takes a while to produce 50 planes.

My understanding is the high-profile announcement of this old deal is mainly a PR job to highlight Chinese resolution to protect Pakistan.
Perhaps. Propaganda has it's uses, especially after the Visa fiasco. China will deliver the aircraft really quickly.

Sorry, I made a mistake by saying "we have no problem", I am gonna rephrase it to "we don't think US selling weapons to India is against the rules of the game, hence we will accept that move". The thing here is so many Indians seem to fail to understand what China is doing should be expected if not torelated, they are overreacting. Selling weapons to an ally is an acceptable strategy in this game, India is doing the same to China by providing weapons to Vietnam. And people should also note that China is only selling defensive weapons to Pakistan which pose little threat to Indian national security unless India is thinking attacking Pakistan.
That's is the crux of the problem. You aren't selling the aircraft to Pakistan, you are donating.

Aid is fine and whatever Pak buys from anybody is fine as well. If you were providing modular homes and tents to the displaced people after the floods nobody here would have raised an eyebrow. However throwing away free aircraft at anybody who is pointing their guns at India is a problem that is greater than just the aircraft.
 

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Perhaps. Propaganda has it's uses, especially after the Visa fiasco. China will deliver the aircraft really quickly.
They can't deliver it any faster than Russia can provide the engines.
 
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Please provide the reference for your comment.
The below is my argument for this issue. Just couple of examples
1. J10 domestic radar
Chengdu J-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"the J-10 uses a multi-mode fire-control radar designed in China."

2. J11B radar
"the PLAAF decided to modernize the J-11 with domestic radar, avionic suites, manufacture methods and material upgrades to extend the life of the aircraft in service."
Shenyang J-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. JH7A Radar
JL-10A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. JF17 Radar
"In November 2007 it was reported that the PAF and PAC were conducting flight evaluation of the SBP aircraft fitted with a variant of the NRIET KLJ-10 radar, designed and built by China's Nanjing Research Institute for Electronic Technology (NRIET), and the LETRI SD-10 active radar homing air-to-air missile"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_/_...ending-50-3g-aircraft-charity.html#post265855

5. Indigenously engine for J11B/BS/15/10B
Shenyang WS-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
from a chinese source
Jian-10 (J-10, F-10) Multirole Fighter Aircraft - SinoDefence.com
Radar

CAC revealed that the J-10 is equipped with an indigenous fire-control radar featuring a mechanically slewed planar array antenna, capable of tracking 10 targets and engaging 2 (using semi-active radar-homing AAM) or 4 (using active radar-homing AAM) of them simultaneously. Possibly based on Russian or Israeli technologies, the radar is believed to be comparable to the early 1990s-era Western fighter radar designs. Alternatively the J-10 could be fitted with a range of fire-control radar introduced by Russian, Israeli, and European manufacturers on its export variant.


China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes
China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes
 

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One out of four types and it ain't in front-line service. Bunch of pictures of the same plane.
 

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