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    Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

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    Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class nuclear submarine immersed — RT

    Borei class nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomah at the “Sevmash” shipyard before its launch in Severodvinsk. (RIA Novosti/A. Petrov)

    Super-modern, powerful and almost noiseless Russian nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh has been put in water to become the third ship of the Borei project. The cruiser is about to begin sea trials and mooring to become fully operational in 2013.

    -Vladimir Monomakh was laid down at Russia’s largest shipbuilding complex Sevmash, located on the shores of the White Sea in the town of Severodvinsk in northern Russia on March 19, 2006 – the 100th anniversary of the Russian submarine fleet.

    -Borei-class submarine

    Length: 170 m
    Beam: 13.5 m
    Draught: 10 m
    Test depth: 450 m
    Displacement:
    14,720 tons surfaced
    24,000 tons submerged
    Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
    Complement: 107 (55 officers)
    Armament: 16-20 × Bulava SLBMs
    6 × 533 mm torpedo tubes

    It belongs to a class of missile strategic submarine cruisers with a new generation of nuclear reactor, which allows the submarine to dive to a depth of 480 meters. It can spend up to three months in autonomous navigation and, thanks to the latest achievements in the reduction of noise, it is almost silent compared to previous generations of submarines.

    The submarine is armed with the new missile system, which has from 16 to 20 solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles Bulava (SS-NX-30 by NATO classification). The rocket is able to overcome any prospective missile defense system.

    On August 27, 2011, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on a successful test of Bulava to investigate its maximum range. The missile was launched from the White Sea, flew 9,300km in just 33 minutes, and then fell in the specified area in the Pacific Ocean.



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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    how do we compare it with the nuclear submarine Akula -2 leased to India? in terms of capabilities/performance?????

    also, how would it be compared with 'Amur Class' offered for Project 75I too, in terms of capabilities/performance?

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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    i was about to ask this question hello_10 thanks anyway also compare it with Arihanth......
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    Well you want to compare the arihant with Borei?...its futile. Bigger is always better when it comes to SSBN...more firepower and capability. If the Bulava is as good as the Russians say it is this sub is a world beater. The arihant is comparable with the older generation of nuclear subs not the latest ones.

    THe Nerpa is more or less comparable to the Yasen class which is facing problems just like the Astute class since 2000.
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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    Borei Boomers Delayed Yet Again
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    October 26, 2012: The new Russian Borei class SSBNs (ballistic missile nuclear subs or "boomers") was supposed to enter service at the end this year. Then problems were discovered in the software that runs the missile launching and other systems on the boat. Because of that the first Borei won’t enter service until next year. This boat, the Yuri Dolgoruky, was launched five years ago, after being under construction since 1996. Money shortages and technical issues slowed progress. Yuri Dolgoruky was further delayed after launch because of power plant and other equipment problems. Yuri Dolgoruky was the first new Russian SSBN since 1990 and there seemed to be no end of problems. Part of this is because the new Borei class boats makes extensive use of modern electronics. It’s all digital and flat screens inside. Lots of microprocessors and modern sonar, which the navy insisted would make these boats more aware of their underwater surroundings than previous designs. The possible complications from debugging all this new tech were never mentioned.
    Externally, the Boreis are closer in design to the older Delta IVs than to the more recent, and much larger, Typhoon boats. The Boreis are 170 meters (558 feet) long and 13 meters (42 feet) wide. Surface displacement is 15,000 tons, and 16 Bulava SLBMs (Sea Launched Ballistic Missile) are carried. Work on the first Borei, the Yuri Dolgoruky, was delayed for several years because the first missile being designed for it did not work out. As a replacement, the successful land based missile, the Topol-M, was quickly modified for submarine use. This Bulava was a larger missile, cutting the Boreis capacity from twenty to 16 missiles. The boat also has four torpedo tubes and twelve torpedoes or torpedo tube launched missiles. The Borei also sports a huge sonar dome in the bow.

    The Boreis have a crew of 107, with half of them being officers (a common Russian practice when it comes to high tech ships like nuclear subs). Each of these boats cost at least two billion dollars. This high cost, by Russian standards, is partly because many factories that supplied parts for Russian subs were in parts of the Soviet Union that are not now within the borders of present day Russia, so new factories had to be built. All components of the Boreis, and their missiles, will be built in Russia. A dozen Boreis were originally planned, but for now only eight are being built. All are supposed to be in service by the end of the decade. The last five are referred to as Borei-A and will carry 20 missiles and contain a number of other improvements.

    The Boreis will replace the aging Cold War era Delta class SSBNs that are being retired because of safety and reliability issues. Nuclear submarines are one area of military spending that did not get cut back sharply after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, but there are still limits to the navy budgets and the Boreis are being built, in part, to be cheaper to operate. Two Borei boats are now completed and waiting for all these glitches to be fixed before entering service. The more recent, but massive, Typhoon SSBNs will be retired in two years, mainly because they are so expensive to operate.

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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    Quote Originally Posted by hello_10 View Post
    how do we compare it with the nuclear submarine Akula -2 leased to India? in terms of capabilities/performance?????

    also, how would it be compared with 'Amur Class' offered for Project 75I too, in terms of capabilities/performance?
    Considering unfinished Akula IIs were cannabalised to build Boreis, they are quite similar . Amur has failed to meet its design goals so that isn't worth comparing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armand2REP View Post
    Considering unfinished Akula IIs were cannabalised to build Boreis, they are quite similar . Amur has failed to meet its design goals so that isn't worth comparing.
    in fact we already have the news that Akula-2, the biggest threat to US, generally visits US without being detected, and remains there for weeks, as below:
    Aug 16, 2012

    The Russian patrol managed to expose deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities, American officials said, according to the report.

    Some of those forces responsible for anti-submarine warfare and detection are targeted for cuts over the Obama administration’s plan to slice nearly $500 billion from the Pentagon’s budget over the next 10 years.

    The Akula class is the follow on to the Victor III and remains the most capable Russian attack submarine until the newer Yasen class is commissioned,” said a description from the Web site WeaponSystems.net.

    “The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” one U.S. official told the Beacon. “It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place.”

    LiveLeak.com - Russian nuclear attack submarine sailed undetected in US waters for weeks
    we also discussed about this news and it was quite clear that the Submarines offered for Project-75I would have the best techs of Russia, to beat its European rivals, while its already the lowest bidder for this tender too. and hopefully the whole project may then be extended to 12 with the upgraded versions in future too, as per the news as below

    India’s Multi-billion Dollar Scorpene Sub Contract

    and we also have an American view of the recent Russian nuclear submarine as below, and here its good to know that it already superior to its US's competitors in many terms while its obvious that if production lines of Project-75I will start from 2017/18 then it will have the latest techs of Russia that time too
    Russia is reportedly sea testing a nuclear-powered sub believed superior in many ways to some of America's best subs.

    U.S. sub experts suspect the Gepard may move as fast and as quietly as America's best fully operational subs, the Los Angeles-class subs, as well as have the capacity to dive deeper and to harness more firepower.

    "In many respects, it's a superior submarine," says independent submarine expert Norman Polmar. "We know it's at least as quiet as an improved L.A.'s. Whether it's quieter I can't say."

    Russians Test Super-Quiet Sub - ABC News
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    THe Russian Akulas are typhoons right....and the Shchuka is the akula....darn confusing...so which one is being caniballized?
    After WW2 we thought we would have peace...but no! We used up nearly 6 decades just to invent newer methods and ways to kill more people if WW3 were to happen....

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    Arihant is our first attempt and present Russian sub is state of the art sub. Wait for our other subs and they will be more silent and lethal.
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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    Quote Originally Posted by sayareakd View Post
    Arihant is our first attempt and present Russian sub is state of the art sub. Wait for our other subs and they will be more silent and lethal.
    Also as per the links of post#7, US's analysts find Akula-2 quite capable against US too, naming it the biggest threat to US. while Russia is going to have more advanced submarines in future too, and we expect the same for Project-75I
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    Total Submarine Strength by Country expect it will be some time befor we know how the new Russian subs do, so far Russian track record on subs leaves a lot to be desired.

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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    Quote Originally Posted by average american View Post
    Total Submarine Strength by Country expect it will be some time befor we know how the new Russian subs do, so far Russian track record on subs leaves a lot to be desired.
    Post Soviet a hot went wrong. The Akulas were dreaded by the Americans.
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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    What have the Russians done to make the submarines 'almost noiseless'?

    Noise signature is the worst enemy of a submarine, no matter what it carries or can do.
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    Re: Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class

    Quote Originally Posted by SATISH View Post
    THe Russian Akulas are typhoons right....and the Shchuka is the akula....darn confusing...so which one is being caniballized?
    Project 971U/M unfinished subs were cannablised to build Project 955 Borei. We call 971 Akula because it is the lead ship of class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    What have the Russians done to make the submarines 'almost noiseless'?

    Noise signature is the worst enemy of a submarine, no matter what it carries or can do.
    There has been little progress made over the Akula II standard. After the USSR broke up, the navy and its R&D was left to rot.

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