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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    Quote Originally Posted by average american View Post
    As the death toll mounts—as many as 25 million in the former Soviet Union, 65 million in China, 1.7 million in Cambodia, and on and on—the authors systematically show how and why, wherever the millenarian ideology of Communism was established, it quickly led to crime, terror, and repression
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    They were our enemy and they were your friend, not something I would be proud of,, and promised to bury the USA, . They lost you lost, and thats history........The USA did not back down from the USSR and the USA certainly did not back down from India. .
    It's a good thing that you have understood the effects of communism. Communists are the worst. Now understand the other side, which you are part of. The then president of the USSR in 1971 got so mad at the blatant support of the US to the genocide of millions that he was angry at US for years. That's US for you. If US is hated for it's support of it's atrocities by the worst commies, what category should i keep the US in??


    A few questions to think for you. How many countries does US intervene in ? How many years of it's history is free from war? How many people died as a result of it's actions?


    Just a small insight: History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890


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    I am sure we were scared to death of India and turned tail and ran, your air force could not even handle Pakistan and you were five times their size. I am real sure the USA was scared to death.
    You were obviously worried about the damage to your CBG's reputation. Of course you would have dropped a hell of a lotta firepower. But there is no way you would have gotten back alive. Your CBG would have found a nice grave in the Bay of Bengal. So you ran away. You can sugar coat it any which way you want. But the truth is that after sending a CBG to BoB, neither Nixon nor Kissinger had the steel to see it through.

    American allies did not learn their lesson that day, they still have not. America will execute its duties as an ally if and only if it is convinced that it wont suffer the humiliation of defeat. Today Israel is reaping the fruits of being an American ally. Philippines and Japan are too.

    A country like Iran is bullying you and Obama looks like a deer in headlights. What hope do the Philippines have against China? Japan can still save herself by going nuclear and fast.
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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

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    I could agree with that if thats the way it really was.
    The 'Blood Telegram' sent by Archer Kent Blood to the US state department , The last American Consul General to Dhaka, East Pakistan

    The Telegram was signed by 29 Americans

    page1 462px Blood telegramdjvu


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    Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy. Our government has failed to denounce atrocities. Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to placate the West Pak[istan] dominated government and to lessen any deservedly negative international public relations impact against them. Our government has evidenced what many will consider moral bankruptcy,(...) But we have chosen not to intervene, even morally, on the grounds that the Awami conflict, in which unfortunately the overworked term genocide is applicable, is purely an internal matter of a sovereign state. Private Americans have expressed disgust. We, as professional civil servants, express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected.


    In an earlier telegram dated March 27, 1971, Blood wrote about American observations at Dhaka under the subject heading "Selective genocide":
    1. Here in Decca we are mute and horrified witnesses to a reign of terror by the Pak[istani] Military. Evidence continues to mount that the MLA authorities have list of AWAMI League supporters whom they are systematically eliminating by seeking them out in their homes and shooting them down
    2. Among those marked for extinction in addition to the A.L. hierarchy are student leaders and university faculty. In this second category we have reports that Fazlur Rahman head of the philosophy department and a Hindu, M. Abedin, head of the department of history, have been killed. Razzak of the political science department is rumored dead. Also on the list are the bulk of MNA's elect and number of MPA's.
    3. Moreover, with the support of the Pak[istani] Military. non-Bengali Muslims are systematically attacking poor people's quarters and murdering Bengalis and Hindus.
    (U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Selective genocide, March 27, 1971)
    From : Archer Blood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff@sea View Post
    The 'Blood Telegram' sent by Archer Kent Blood to the US state department , The last American Consul General to Dhaka, East Pakistan

    The Telegram was signed by 29 Americans

    page1 462px Blood telegramdjvu


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    In an earlier telegram dated March 27, 1971, Blood wrote about American observations at Dhaka under the subject heading "Selective genocide":


    From : Archer Blood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I expect thats the reason the USA backed off, not fear of USSR and certainly not any fear of India.


    Here is what was going on in the US at that time according to history..
    1971
    Events of 1971, from Wikipedia
    Payoff to the Vice President
    The Attica, New York, Prison Revolt
    Plan of Attica Prison
    The Attica Prison Insurrection 1971
    Governor Nelson Rockefeller and he Attica Prison Riot, September 9-13, 1971 The Attica Prison Insurrection
    Attica Revisited. Bibliography
    13 June The Pentagon Papers
    The Pentagon Papers
    The New York Times v. United States, (1971) ["The Pentagon Papers" decision]
    The Trial of Charles Manson
    1972
    Events of 1972, from Wikipedia
    Records of Secret Nixon-Zhou en-Lai Talks held in February
    June 22 Hurricane Agnes Hits Pennsylvania
    1972 Olympics
    1972 Olympics
    Olympic Hostages Killed in Gun Battle
    Who murdered the athletes of the Israeli 1972 Olympic Team in Munich?
    Mark Spitz Wins Seven Olympic Medals
    USA Basketball Team Loses to Soviet Team
    M*A*S*H* Premieres September 1, 1972
    The Election of 1972
    Your little war was not even worth mentioning in the scheme of things.

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    I expect thats the reason the USA backed off, not fear of USSR and certainly not any fear of India.
    TheYanks did not want to be seen to be embarrassed by "poor and dirty" India, not after their failure in Vietnam, the latter happening at the same time period.

    Here is what was going on in the US at that time according to history..
    1971
    Events of 1971, from Wikipedia
    Payoff to the Vice President
    The Attica, New York, Prison Revolt
    Plan of Attica Prison
    The Attica Prison Insurrection 1971
    Governor Nelson Rockefeller and he Attica Prison Riot, September 9-13, 1971 The Attica Prison Insurrection
    Attica Revisited. Bibliography
    13 June The Pentagon Papers
    The Pentagon Papers
    The New York Times v. United States, (1971) ["The Pentagon Papers" decision]
    The Trial of Charles Manson
    1972
    Events of 1972, from Wikipedia
    Records of Secret Nixon-Zhou en-Lai Talks held in February
    June 22 Hurricane Agnes Hits Pennsylvania
    1972 Olympics
    1972 Olympics
    Olympic Hostages Killed in Gun Battle
    Who murdered the athletes of the Israeli 1972 Olympic Team in Munich?
    Mark Spitz Wins Seven Olympic Medals
    USA Basketball Team Loses to Soviet Team
    M*A*S*H* Premieres September 1, 1972
    The Election of 1972
    Your little war was not even worth mentioning in the scheme of things.
    I have highlighted a few of these petty incidents that you quote here to belittle the complete and total mauling of a MAJOR American ally, even today the Americans have worked hard to downplay the Indo_pak wars to avoid losing face and looking like they failed their vassals.

    Also there a small matter of India detonating its first nuclear device in '73. The event not being totally unrelated to the American intervention in Indian affairs just 2 years prior.
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    I am sure we were scared to death of India and turned tail and ran, your air force could not even handle Pakistan and you were five times their size. I am real sure the USA was scared to death.
    93,000 POWS, their country divided in two like Germany at the end of WW2. Puny?? Our Air Force could not handle Pakistan?? The IAF had complete Air_Superiority in both East and West Paki?? Thats how the war was won in 15 days.

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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    Sir,

    Would somebody post the 'Anderson Papers' , which brought out the duplicity of Nixon/Kissinger to the American people during the 1971 Indo-Pak war. The New York Times or the washington Post carried it.

    I believe the New York Times presses were on strike, hence only typed or cyclo version of the newspaper was published. Hence I am unable to find these on the web.

    All the foregoing info in this thread is great. Adding Anderson Papers will further enhance it.

    Cheers.

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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    Quote Originally Posted by average american View Post
    I expect thats the reason the USA backed off, not fear of USSR and certainly not any fear of India. ....
    Ok US didn't fear India but a single attack on USSR submarine battle group or vice versa could have turned into a full scale war or even into a world war, that time Soviet Union was not dissolved, and certainly a top notch super power, it's ignorance and over-confidence to say that US never feared of USSR.
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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Sud View Post
    Sir,

    Would somebody post the 'Anderson Papers' , which brought out the duplicity of Nixon/Kissinger to the American people during the 1971 Indo-Pak war. The New York Times or the washington Post carried it.

    I believe the New York Times presses were on strike, hence only typed or cyclo version of the newspaper was published. Hence I am unable to find these on the web.

    All the foregoing info in this thread is great. Adding Anderson Papers will further enhance it.

    Cheers.
    You mean the De-classified documents? They're everywhere on the net.
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    Any thing could have turned into a full scale war back then,,,,but the 1971 conflict between India and Pakistan hardly made the news in the USA......
    Time Magazine pretty well covers what was going on from US thinking.

    India Pakistan 1971 War as covered by Time

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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

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    Your little war was not even worth mentioning in the scheme of things.
    That's exactly the tragedy! Millions were being butchered by a US backed regime. India and the commie SU were trying to prevent that from happening. The genocide wasn't worth much for the US then in the scheme of things. Yet, they did everything to prevent the hands that tried stopping it.

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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

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    Your little war was not even worth mentioning in the scheme of things.
    You didn't mention how the war became a little thing that got managed in 15 days?
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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    We INDIANS defeated the sabre jets by using Gnats of world war 2. Now here is an american guy coming and telling that pakistan defeated INDIA in AIR. What a joke. The 1971 war was won by the help of the INDIAN AIRFORCE. I think the american guy must check out the information about the 1971 war.
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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

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    Any thing could have turned into a full scale war back then,,,,but the 1971 conflict between India and Pakistan hardly made the news in the USA......
    Time Magazine pretty well covers what was going on from US thinking.

    India Pakistan 1971 War as covered by Time
    That is a real tragedy - it is disappointing that the US turned away from one of the worst genocides in the 20th century. Additionally, this war resulted in the largest military surrender post WW-2, 90000 POWs. This record remained unbroken till the 1991 Gulf war.
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    Re: 1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

    Quote Originally Posted by Virendra View Post
    You didn't mention how the war became a little thing that got managed in 15 days?
    Yep! Our 'Operation Freedom' took 14 days to complete. How much did yours take to complete, 'average american'?
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