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If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    In order for cholas to reach north[or Gazni reaching south] they had to pass the deccan first which was ruled by chalukyas then.


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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by Das ka das View Post
    I thought Prithviraj captured Mahmud 17 times and let him go due to Kshatriya honor code.
    That was Mohammed Ghori of Ghor, not the Mahmud Ghazni.
    Rest, I have covered the '17 times' exaggeration in previous posts.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by bharata View Post
    In order for cholas to reach north[or Gazni reaching south] they had to pass the deccan first which was ruled by chalukyas then.
    Yep. Despite the hype around the Cholas, they are unable to fully subdue even their immediate neighbors. In 1052 C.E., just 8 years after the death of Rajendra Chola, the Western Chalukya king Somesvara I led a successful expedition into the Chola homeland, and was able to capture Kanchipuram. The Cholas, who just a couple decades ago had sent expeditions into distant Southeast Asia, were unable to protect their own core territories! This shows how impermanent and transient the nature of Chola power was.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by civfanatic View Post
    Yep. Despite the hype around the Cholas, they are unable to fully subdue even their immediate neighbors. In 1052 C.E., just 8 years after the death of Rajendra Chola, the Western Chalukya king Somesvara I led a successful expedition into the Chola homeland, and was able to capture Kanchipuram. The Cholas, who just a couple decades ago had sent expeditions into distant Southeast Asia, were unable to protect their own core territories! This shows how impermanent and transient the nature of Chola power was.
    This is interesting. I wonder why the Chalukya Dynasty and the Chola Dynasty were never able to make an alliance which
    was beneficial for both. The main goal of the Chola Dynasty was to safeguard their trading posts in southeast asia and the main target of the Chalukya Dynasty was the conquest of Malwa. Both dynasties could have used all their resources to reach their goals without being attacked by the main enemy.
    Do you know whether the solanki kingdom of Gujarat was a branch of the Chalukya Dynasty?

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhoja View Post
    This is interesting. I wonder why the Chalukya Dynasty and the Chola Dynasty were never able to make an alliance which
    was beneficial for both. The main goal of the Chola Dynasty was to safeguard their trading posts in southeast asia and the main target of the Chalukya Dynasty was the conquest of Malwa. Both dynasties could have used all their resources to reach their goals without being attacked by the main enemy.
    To understand the struggle between the Chalukyas and Cholas, one must understand the geopolitical climate of India at the time. The whole of India during this time was embroiled in political anarchy - matsya-nyaya - caused by the lack of any powerful central authority. Neighboring Indian kingdoms were rivals or enemies more often than not, and were firm followers of the aphorism "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". A good example of this would be the alliance formed by King Bhoj of Malwa with Rajendra Chola, to surround his arch-rivals the Chalukyas on both their northern and southern flanks. In addition, there was a long-standing rivalry between the kingdoms of the Deccan and the Tamil country, dating back to the Chalukya-Pallava conflict in the 6th century C.E. The conflict between the Chalukyas and Cholas in the 10th-12th centuries was the latest incarnation of this struggle.

    Moreover, the Cholas were very aggressive and expansionist when compared to other Indian dynasties, and would not have been content with merely controlling trade routes. It is unlikely that they would have tolerated such a powerful kingdom right in their backyard, hence the frequent attempts by Chola monarchs to reduce Chalukya power.


    Do you know whether the solanki kingdom of Gujarat was a branch of the Chalukya Dynasty?
    The name Solanki is indeed derived from '"Chalukya", but I am not sure of the exact relationship between the Solankis of Gujarat and the original Chalukya dynasty that was established by Pulakesi I in the 6th century. It is known that Gujarat in the 8th century was governed by Jayasimha Varman, the brother of the Chalukya emperor Vikramaditya II (r.733-746 C.E.). It was Avanijanashraya Pulakesi, the son of Jayasimha Varman, who defeated the Arabs that attempted to invade Gujarat during this time. It is possible that the Chalukya governors of Gujarat became de facto independent kings after the fall of central Chalukya power in 753 C.E. at the hands of of the rising Rashtrakuta dynasty, and that the Solanki kings of Gujarat were descended from the earlier Chalukya governors.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Sadly it is truth.

    Then Indian emperors lacked foresight.
    Thinking Raja Raja Chola would help to defeat Ghory is ridiculous.
    He was king of South India,and Ghory attacked North India,so how could he send troops to defeat Ghory from long distance of South India?!

    Even Rastrakutas who were almost in border area of North India and South India,they did not send help.

    Lack of Foresight helped a lot for invaders from Arabia and Central Asia.

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    What north India south India ?

    There was no INDIA as a whole it's like different country all together ruled by different people.

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by civfanatic View Post
    Yep. Despite the hype around the Cholas, they are unable to fully subdue even their immediate neighbors. In 1052 C.E., just 8 years after the death of Rajendra Chola, the Western Chalukya king Somesvara I led a successful expedition into the Chola homeland, and was able to capture Kanchipuram. The Cholas, who just a couple decades ago had sent expeditions into distant Southeast Asia, were unable to protect their own core territories! This shows how impermanent and transient the nature of Chola power was.
    That shows how TIGERS fail when led by sheep nothing more,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    When the Cholas invaded Sri Lanka, they did loot and destroy Buddhist monasteries and built Shiva temples over their ruins (some of these Shiva temples built by Cholas still survive today). Remind of you anything?
    This is not exactly true. Cholas didn't destroy Buddhist monasteries and built Shiva temples over them. But yes they looted.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaitan View Post
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    Reminds of me a mural of Polonnaruwa era. (Polonnaruwa era was ushered right after the defeat of the Cholas.)

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Why are we even asking this impossible thing

    My question is WHAT IF THE RAJPUTS themselves were united

    The bitter rivalries amongst the Rajputs made them weak and ultimately all invaders succeeded
    by using this Internal feuds amongst the Rajputs

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by pankaj nema View Post
    Why are we even asking this impossible thing

    My question is WHAT IF THE RAJPUTS themselves were united

    The bitter rivalries amongst the Rajputs made them weak and ultimately all invaders succeeded
    by using this Internal feuds amongst the Rajputs
    I think we all should thank the Rajputs of Rajasthan. Because even though they were not united as a single entity they stalled the Muslim advance into the greater Indian. Otherwise god only knows what might have happened.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by pankaj nema View Post
    Why are we even asking this impossible thing

    My question is WHAT IF THE RAJPUTS themselves were united

    The bitter rivalries amongst the Rajputs made them weak and ultimately all invaders succeeded
    by using this Internal feuds amongst the Rajputs
    Have been through this so many times.

    Entire India was politically fragmented. Cherry picking one part in all these WHAT IFs is not going to help analyze.
    Rajputs have done their share of chewing invasions for more than milennia.
    They were always regional players and remained so till India became a democratic republic.
    War and power is not simply about what hardware displays on the field.
    Strategies, doctrines and classic Chessboard movements have the juice to alter the course of history.

    There was no INDIA as a whole it's like different country all together ruled by different people.
    India was united as one nation but only socio-culturally, not politically.
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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by Virendra View Post
    Have been through this so many times.

    Entire India was politically fragmented. Cherry picking one part in all these WHAT IFs is not going to help analyze.
    Rajputs have done their share of chewing invasions for more than milennia.
    They were always regional players and remained so till India became a democratic republic.
    War and power is not simply about what hardware displays on the field.
    Strategies, doctrines and classic Chessboard movements have the juice to alter the course of history.


    India was united as one nation but only socio-culturally, not politically.
    Mate I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings BUT the fact remains that After Ghazni
    invasions and destruction of Somnath AND the conquest of West Punjab and Sindh by Islamists
    Rajputs SHOULD Have understood the Nature of the BEAST that they were up against

    And they should given up their internal rivalries But this never happened

    The Rajputs were India's first line of defence and yet they were busy infighting

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    Re: If Raja Raja Chola helped the Rajputs defeat Mahmud of Ghazni

    Quote Originally Posted by pankaj nema View Post
    Mate I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings BUT the fact remains that After Ghazni
    invasions and destruction of Somnath AND the conquest of West Punjab and Sindh by Islamists
    Rajputs SHOULD Have understood the Nature of the BEAST that they were up against

    And they should given up their internal rivalries But this never happened
    Mark my words. Centuries later our future generations wold be cursing us to have understood the evil of Pakistan and Chinese hegemony in time and to have done something about it.
    When we look at history from where we stand today, the advantage of hindsight easily allows us to preach "should have done this, should have done that".
    But reality is - that we don't know in full detail what happened, how it happened, why it happened, why it couldn't be stopped. Only those who went through it, would know.
    What we have is history written by victors in bits and pieces, with obvious biases in play.
    Thats all I'm saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by pankaj nema View Post
    The Rajputs were India's first line of defence and yet they were busy infighting
    That is so contradictory. On one hand we say India was no single country and then the next moment we want Rajputs to defend it like it were so ..
    And you can relax you haven't hurt my feelings. We're debating decently
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