But ejazr the document looks a bit unreliable . are u sure these can trusted and the author has not left out anything to prove his point and twist facts in the process???
just asking so that i become sure before investing time reading them!
Mao Zedong
Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler
Winston Churchill
Henry Kissinger
Hirohito
Jinnah
Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Yahya Khan
But ejazr the document looks a bit unreliable . are u sure these can trusted and the author has not left out anything to prove his point and twist facts in the process???
just asking so that i become sure before investing time reading them!
I talked completely from Indian context.
I still take offence to declaring him a saint who let millions die but not called a criminal for it while Hitler is a criminal who killed millions in gas chambers. while hitler sure was criminal, its just that Churchill gets away because he was the PM of the empire and on the winning side of WWII. I am sure the millions who lost their lives because of him may still have their ghosts roaming.
Definitely, he is no saint. But had it not been him, but his predecessors like Neville Chamberlain many more would have rotten in the concentration camps/gulags.
Since the thread is to name the most evil person of the century, I just thought we should not get biased due to the Indian connection.
you will get different answers from different countries.
I may well call hitler a saint and a hero for supporting Netaji Bose in his efforts against the British. The Japanese were good for us for the same reasons.
Jews hate Hitler for obvious reasons. Stalin was a tyrant for Russians.
Churchill can never be good for India.
The British contribution to the war effort was pitiful compared to that of the Americans and Soviets, who were the ones that actually won the war.
It would not have made a big difference whether or not Chamberlain was the PM. Poland and France would have still been invaded, Russia and America would eventually have both been involved.
It is impossible to have such a poll and expect an 'objective' answer. Just as Jews would call Hitler the most evil person due to their historical experiences, and Ukrainians Stalin due to theirs, Indians should also answer the question based on their own historical experiences.
Stalin is still revered by many Russians.
He is hated mostly in the former minority republics of the USSR, especially Ukraine and the Baltic states, and also in Poland.
Voted Churchill. He surpasses Hitler because Hitler had a rage against jews and deep psychological reasons to go after them.
What did we do to earn the wrath of Churchill? Where do we figure punishable even in the remotest sense. He is a cold blooded murderer of millions in the famines of India. He had a war to fight and so he thought Indians can live without Roti Chaawal
Last edited by Virendra; 02-05-12 at 05:14 PM.
Churchill was not alone to punish us. First, blame the nature which caused the famine. Second, blame the hoarders who did earn profits at the cost of people's life. Third, blame ourselves that we were not able to help our own countrymen. In earlier famines due to the likes of Vivekanand and others we did respond very well to the famines. Its only after all our safety mechanisms have failed that we expected the British support and that is where Churchill failed us.
Well, the war of Britain was the first decisive turn in WW2, which made Hitler turn attention to USSR. And no one can deny the role Churchill played in this turnaround minus the historical luck that a German mistakenly bombed London and turned the course of war as Hitler got mad and started bombing London instead of strategic targets.
No denial to this fact.
I am sorry if I thought we could be objective in this analysis.
^^^ British rule is synonymous with famine, starvation and death of Indians to the tune of millions. Madhusree mukherjee's book on Churchill shows the gory details of how the Raj actively prevented intervention of powers like USA ,and even Netaji from alleviating the hunger of those poor starving Indians. I know that sacks of rice and other food grains were transported to war front in Europe. Millions of our ancestors were dying from hunger, literally. Rotten corpses were a common site those days. I cannot describe the pain of dying from hunger. Trust me , it is a million times worse than dying from bullets of a firing squad ,or hanged. There was a famous playwright, Bijon bhattacharya who wrote many plays on the theme of famine of 46. When I was studying in 12th grade, one of those plays were a prescribed course of our Bangla syllabus.
Pardon me , but like yusuf said earlier, it is kinda hard to keep a straight face and be objective when talking of guys like Churchill. At least as far as Indians are concerned, he is at par with Hitler, more or less evil personified.
pmaitra, I told you there was no need to go beyond the top 5. The others are just too insignificant when compared to the top 5. In fact even Kissinger does not have a vote (!) so its down to the top 4.
There is nothing ballistic about my post. I just assume that everyone who ever read a history book know the atrocities commited by the imperial japanese army. That is well documented.
My point remains. No single person is responsible of carrying out those acts.
Instead of the childish discussion of who is most evil. (wdt?) Try to see what makes it possible for those incidents to occur in human history.
Who carriered out those orders? Why? Why is nobody stopping them? What can we learn from it?
Those are the questions that need answering. Not who is most evil. The allied force saved us from Germany and Japanese and probably saved millions of life. Is Churchill less evil then because of the lives he saved?
The question of who is most evil only suit simple minded people. The world dont works that way.
The blame game is for the people who never learn from the history. Like the topic starter. and his troll friends.
I'd probably go with the guys with the Manhattan Project.
Directly = Zero deaths
Indirectly = ....
You mean Albert Einstein?
Hirohito is not responsible for the massacres caused by the Japan... it was Tojo and his war cabinet... however Hirohito is responsible for dragging the war in the last few months!
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Albert Einstein was not a part of the Manhattan project.
As far as I knew, he didn't conceptualise the idea of a chain reaction in a fission reaction - I believe it was Fermi who did and conveyed his idea to Einstein.
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