The Vijayanagara Empire

[Tolaha]

It is a Telugu Kakatiya Chieftains who started the Dynasty .Gradually it became a war state which mainly had Kamma,reddy,kapu,velama nayaks as underlings

The signs of a great emperor is when everyone claims him to be one of their own!
Other than a few [very few! ] folks, most consider Vijayanagar to be a Karnataka empire! But the most important accomplishment of the Vijayanagara empire was how they got people from different region united, fight as one single entity and strive to build an empire!

There are many, many centuries between the Kakatiyas and the foundation of the Vijayanagar... founded by 2 folks who most historians confirm to be Kannadigas and was done firmly within the heart of the present Karnakata.

As mentioned by Parijataka, there were 4 dynasties that controlled the Vijayanagar empire. Among these, during the Tuluva dynasty, specifically during the riegn of Krishnadevaraya, Telugu folks gained immense prominence. Many theories have been proposed for this, and the one favoured by some Andhraites is that Krishnadevaraya was a Telugu guy himself! Ever wondered why his dynasty is said to be "Tuluva" dynasty?

[Iamanidiot]

The signs of a great emperor is when everyone claims him to be one of their own!
Other than a few [very few! ] folks, most consider Vijayanagar to be a Karnataka empire! But the most important accomplishment of the Vijayanagara empire was how they got people from different region united, fight as one single entity and strive to build an empire!

There are many, many centuries between the Kakatiyas and the foundation of the Vijayanagar... founded by 2 folks who most historians confirm to be Kannadigas and was done firmly within the heart of the present Karnakata.

As mentioned by Parijataka, there were 4 dynasties that controlled the Vijayanagar empire. Among these, during the Tuluva dynasty, specifically during the riegn of Krishnadevaraya, Telugu folks gained immense prominence. Many theories have been proposed for this, and the one favoured by some Andhraites is that Krishnadevaraya was a Telugu guy himself! Ever wondered why his dynasty is said to be "Tuluva" dynasty?

Sri KrishnaDevaraya wrote Amuktamalyada in Telugu.Linguistic Boundaries were quite different then when compared to today.Similarly Kannada and Telugu have similar script because of Vijaynagara.Gangadevi's Maduravijayam was also written in Telugu which details the fall of Madurai Deccan sultanate Feudals

[Tolaha]

You still havent answered why the dynasty name was "Tuluva". I do converse with you in English, I write most of the time in English... it doesn't make me an Englishman, does it?

To add, my main intention of my original post was to point out that there are varying claims regarding the origin of Vijayanagaras, more so as a Kannadiga empire than that of Telugus, unlike the confident claims made in earlier posts regarding their origin.

[Iamanidiot]

You still havent answered why the dynasty name was "Tuluva".

Yup It can also suggest that he is from Coorg but thats just an assumption.May be Tulu is a corrupted form of the word Telugu.But he was very proficient in Telugu that can bee seen in Amuktamalayada

[Param]

Yup It can also suggest that he is from Coorg but thats just an assumption.May be Tulu is a corrupted form of the word Telugu.But he was very proficient in Telugu that can bee seen in Amuktamalayada

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[Iamanidiot]

Tolaha lets slug it out by claiming stakes on the Kings origin that ebate is infinite.At the end of day he saved everyones ass that s important

[Tolaha]

sir jee... Blind belief is a dangerous thing... Leads us into coming up with funny theories!

[Tolaha]

Agreed completely!

[Tolaha]

Having trouble quoting messages on Opera mobile. Whats the preferred browser for D F I on mobiles?

[civfanatic]

There are many, many centuries between the Kakatiyas and the foundation of the Vijayanagar... founded by 2 folks who most historians confirm to be Kannadigas and was done firmly within the heart of the present Karnakata.

Kakatiyas fell in 1323, Vijayanagar was founded in 1336. Hardly a few centuries.

The two founders of Vijayanagar, Harihara Raya and Bukka Raya, were both officials under the Kakatiyas before their demise. This is a fact.

However it is also a fact that the Tuluva dynasty was from coastal Karnataka and that the empire was a polyglot and multi-cultural realm.

[parijataka]

Kakatiyas fell in 1323, Vijayanagar was founded in 1336. Hardly a few centuries.

The two founders of Vijayanagar, Harihara Raya and Bukka Raya, were both officials under the Kakatiyas before their demise. This is a fact.

However it is also a fact that the Tuluva dynasty was from coastal Karnataka and that the empire was a polyglot and multi-cultural realm.

Well, Harihara and Bukka were rulers of Andhra not from Andhra...

[Bhadra]

yeah we like to irritate India....

Yeah , keep it only upto that or ...... !

[civfanatic]

Well, Harihara and Bukka were rulers of Andhra not from Andhra...

I did not say that they were from Andhra but that they were officials under Kakatiyas before they founded Vijayanagar.

Many of the Vijayanagara kings were Kannadigas, but the political character of the empire showed strong Telugu influence due to legacy of the Kakatiyas.

[Tolaha]

I did not say that they were from Andhra but that they were officials under Kakatiyas before they founded Vijayanagar.

Many of the Vijayanagara kings were Kannadigas, but the political character of the empire showed Strong Telugu influence due to legacy of the Kakatiyas.

Many / Most / All ?

Agreed that there could have been strong Kakatiya influence. Was wrong about it in my earlier statement, got confused! Chola influence too was significant, atleast in Architecture, along with the earlier Hoysalas.
Vijayanagara empire seems to have imbibed the best of all its constituent regions. Many wouldnt be aware about the Islamic influence amongst the royalty. They had good relationship with muslim kingdoms and had many soldiers and generals who were muslims. This is for those who'd like to think of it as a "Hindu" empire. While the Bahamani sultans where a source of irritance, they were successfully played around most of the time. The Gajapathi rulers of Odhisa proved to be a far tougher threat. It was during the realm of Vijayanagara that the Portugese naval forces showed up on the Arabian sea but were kept in check successfully.

[civfanatic]

During medieval times there was seldom a clear-cut difference between Hindu kingdoms and Muslim kingdoms that were founded in the subcontinent (like the Bahmanis). In fact the name of the Bahmani Sultanate comes from a brahmin named Gangu Bahmani, who was the patron of Alauddin Hasan (the founder of the Sultanate). Alauddin Hasan adopted the name Alauddin Bahman Shah in honor of his patron, and Bahmani subsequently became the dynastic name.

Both Hindu and Muslim polities had in their courts members of both religions, and their methods of governance were more or less similar. The real polarization comes when you compare established kingdoms of the Subcontinent (whether Hindu or Muslim) with the semi-nomadic warrior hordes of Central Asia. For example, the Delhi Sultanate and the Timurid Empire were both "Muslim" polities, but one was an established, agrarian kingdom typical of the subcontinent while the other was not. Despite their shared religion the Delhi Sultanate suffered extensively at the hands of the Timurids, due to the great differences between them from both a political and cultural standpoint.