Western nations coerce developing countries on Climate Change

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thanks for posting hello_10 , but i donot see anything in our news this days, why aren`t they printing it about it.

On topic well West is using its old trick of divide and rule
sir, first you would get to know that Climate Change deal, and its negotiations may finally lead to a WW3, Im not sure, but their full strength will certainly be exercised to get something done in this regard, as soon as they can..........

and from here, please post #2 to get to know that these western newspapers were in fact hopeful to have a pact even during Durban Climate talk, held in november 2011....

and then turn the post #3 of mine, with 'Washington Post' stating about UN's chief about the 'main' country, which didn't let this Climate Deal go through.....
 

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One of the most recognized way of measuring Carbon Emission level is about "GDP on PPP per ton of Carbon Emission". we have the list based on this criterion is as below. here we may have a pact based on reaching GDP on PPP at $3000 per ton of Carbon Emission within a time limit, say. but here Developed countries do need to help the Developing countries to get this target, say by 2030 :thumb:

List of countries by ratio of GDP to carbon dioxide emissions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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One of the most recognized way of measuring Carbon Emission level is about "GDP on PPP per ton of Carbon Emission". we have the list based on this criterion is as below. here we may have a pact based on reaching GDP on PPP at $3000 to $5000 per ton of Carbon Emission within a time limit, say. but here Developed countries do need to help the Developing countries to get this target, say by 2030 :thumb:

List of countries by ratio of GDP to carbon dioxide emissions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
China backs developing countries to combat Climate Change :china:
Xinhua, December 5, 2012

China has devoted substantial resources to helping developing countries deal with the severe challenges posed by climate change, a senior Chinese official said on Tuesday.

The country has earmarked 200 million U.S. dollars for this cause over a period of three years, Xie Zhenhua, head of China's delegation to the ongoing UN climate talks in Doha, Qatar, said. :thumb:

The funds will be used to finance climate programs in Africa, the least developed countries and small island countries, Xie, also deputy director of China's National Development and Reform Commission, added. :thumb:

Some developing countries have made remarkable progress in improving energy efficiency with China's help, said Xie.

For example, Grenada, a small island country in the Caribbean, has halved its energy consumption and saved 1 million dollars in public spending by using Chinese-provided energy-saving technologies and equipment, according to the Chinese official. :china:

China has also offered training programs on climate change to hundreds of officials and technicians from other developing countries and the number will reach 2,000 in the next two years, he added.

The Chinese efforts, part of developing countries' drive to promote so-called South-South cooperation on climate change, was welcomed by international deputies at the Doha climate talks.

Tewolde Berhan, director-general of Ethiopia's Environmental Protection Authority, praised China's contribution to the South-South cooperation, citing China's support for his country's hydropower development as an example.

Helen Clark, administrator of the United Nations Development Programme, said at a meeting held on the sidelines of the Doha climate talks that South-South cooperation is important for environment protection and the fight against global warming.

China backs developing countries to combat climate change: official - China.org.cn
 

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we were talking that, "there can't be two types of people and we will never let it happen." we will never accept the case that people based in the countries like US, EU, Australia can emit even up to 20tons/person carbon but even if India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil, Egypt type developing countries emit hardly around 2.0ton/person, they are forced to reduce their carbon emission level, or accept at the current level. Humans can't be defined in different grades and enough opportunities must be provided to the people living in the developing countries to grow and get good life like developed nations..........

this Carbon binding is concerned with the number of ACs, Cars, Industries etc in a country and there must be a logical way to bind developing countries under Carbon Emission target. I would welcome any step by world to force India to reduce its population to even 600mil, 50% of the current level by 2050, say, but we must not let the people of this country become the "Second Grade Humans" of world .

Talks on climate change in Bonn fail with disagreement over developing nations efforts' to curb emissions
May 4, 2013

New, more flexible ways to fight climate change were sketched out on Friday at the end of a week of talks between 160 nations, but there was no breakthrough in bridging a deep divide between China and the United States.

The meeting of senior officials in Bonn, Germany, aired formulas to resolve disputes between rich and poor on sharing out the burden of curbing greenhouse gas emissions as part of a new U.N. deal, a successor to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.

Attempts to reach agreement have foundered above all on a failure to agree on the contribution developing countries should make to curbing the industrial emissions responsible for global warming. The next ministerial conference to try to reach a deal is scheduled for Paris in 2015. :thumb:

The United States, recently overtaken by China as the world's biggest carbon polluter, never ratified Kyoto because it set no binding emissions cuts for rapidly growing economies such as China and India.

The United Nations said there was a broad agreement among delegates in Bonn that any new accord should have flexibility to ratchet up curbs on emissions, without a need for further negotiations, if scientific findings about floods, droughts and rising sea levels worsen in coming years.

That approach would be a big shift from the Kyoto Protocol, which binds about 35 industrialised nations to cut greenhouse gases, with targets set every few years.

"There's been quite a lot of common ground appearing," said Christiana Figueres, head of the U.N. Climate Change Secretariat. But she said no nation was doing enough to combat global warming.

"The agreement of 2015 cannot be cast in stone, cannot be frozen in time," she said of the idea of greater flexibility.

Some developed nations also suggested that a deal should have mechanisms, perhaps linked to per capita gross domestic product, so that governments in emerging nations would make bolder actions as their economies grew.

Governments agreed in 2010 to limit a rise in temperatures to no more than 2 Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial times but are far off target. Economic slowdown has sapped many countries' willingness to act on climate change.


Mercury rises

Temperatures have already risen about 0.8 C (1.4F) and many leading scientists say the 2C target is slipping out of reach. A U.N. panel says it is at least 90 percent certain that man-made greenhouse gases are the main cause of warming.

There were no breakthroughs in Bonn, with tougher decisions put off at least until a next session in June.

Developing nations said rich countries appeared unwilling to keep promises to take the lead in cutting emissions, and called for more focus on burden-sharing to safeguard the interests of the poor.

"If we fail to act now, a vastly more expensive response will be required later," a group of 83 of the least developed nations and small island states said in a statement.

China and the United States showed little indication of closer cooperation despite agreeing last month to step up efforts on climate change, saying they hoped that would inspire action by others.

China stuck to its insistence that developed nations should collectively cut greenhouse gas emissions by between 25 and 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2020. President Barack Obama's plan is the equivalent of a 4 percent cut.

The United States won some support for a suggestion that the 2015 deal should be based on national promises of action, while China wants far more binding commitments by the rich.

Chinese chief negotiator Su Wei also said China could not impose caps on its rising emissions because it needed time to focus on economic growth, despite U.S. calls for tougher action by Beijing.

"In China the per capita income is just around $5,000, compared to the industrialised countries where you have $40,000 or even more," he said.

Talks on climate change in Bonn fail with disagreement over developing nations efforts' to curb emissions : Europe, News - India Today
 

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thanks for posting hello_10 , but i donot see anything in our news this days, why aren`t they printing it about it.

On topic well West is using its old trick of divide and rule
Progressives are using their old tactics of controlling the lives of others, using any excuse.

By the way, I'm glad to find a subject on which to agree with @hello_10.
 
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Progressives are using their old tactics of controlling the lives of others, using any excuse.

By the way, I'm glad to find a subject on which to agree with @hello_10.

its a very crucial issue right now. i have wealth of experience with the western politicians and i find, they may go for even world war on this issue.... credibility of West on free fall, they may get back their industrial/manufacturing jobs from china by 2018/20, as i hope, and they know the meaning of Carbon binding in that certain case.......

no matter how much Aid you offer to the developing countries, they just can't commit suicide by signing a pact which will never let them become a developed nation....... its the Energy Consumption Per Capita which means for a developed country, and no developing country would like to be bound on a limit, which is not similar to at least Middle Order Countries :nono:. similarly how P5, the WW2 winners, have got all the nuclear holding/Veto Power etc, as they were in that position after winning WW2. the reason why we find UK/France among P5, while Germany/Japan couldnt get that status because of being losers......

and this is how Indian side would respond to US+EU as below: :ranger:

Indian PM Rajiv Gandhi in 1988 condemned the discriminatory nuclear regime, (NPT), in UN by saying:

"We cannot accept the logic (of NPT) that a few nations, (P5s), have the right to pursue their security by threatening the survival of humankind. It is not only those who live by the nuclear sword who, by design or default, shall one day perish by it. All humanity will perish. Nor is it acceptable that those who possess nuclear weapons (P5s) are freed of all controls while those without nuclear weapons are policed against their production. History is full of such prejudices paraded as iron laws: that men are superior to women; that the white races are superior to the colored; that 'colonialism' is a civilizing mission, that those who possess nuclear weapons are responsible powers and those who do not are not."

"Nuclear deterrence is the ultimate expression of the philosophy of terrorism: holding humanity hostage to the presumed security needs of a few."


Rajiv Gandhi Speaks Against Nuclear Weapons
 
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UN Climate Change Negotiations 2012: Developed countries not made any commitment on further reduction in emissions
Dec 3, 2012

DOHA: Developed countries have not made any commitment on finance or further reduction in emissions, drawing sharp criticism from developing nations and hindering success at the UN sponsored climate change negotiations in Doha.

Industrialised countries maintained near silence on any commitment to provide funds to developing countries beyond broad statements that "climate financing would be available".

"There will be no announcement of a single funding by the EU-27, but individual members are expected to make announcements on climate finance. The European Commission will find money for climate finance in the interim period," EU Commissioner for Climate Change Connie Hedegaard said in Doha.

The United States was also not forthcoming. US negotiator Todd Stern said that the US had provided $7.5 billion even in what were "challenging fiscal times."

At a previous conference in Durban, countries agreed to bring to a close ongoing negotiations to begin work on a post 2020 global climate regime. This would mean a second phase of the Kyoto Protocol with developed countries taking on emission reduction targets, and a satisfactory resolution of various critical issues such as finance, technology and shared vision.

However, at the start of the second and final week of Doha negotiations being attended by nearly 200 countries saw developing countries up in arms over the text prepared by the chair of the Bali track of the negotiations. The chair's text produced as an "input to the informal consultations on the agreed outcome" failed to address key issues like financial and technological support to developing countries to address climate change. The text, did however address issues that developed countries consider to be crucial such as long-term goal and the when global emissions need to peak. This would mean that key issues like provision of support in the form of finance and technology in the period before 2020 would be left unresolved.

The developing country bloc, G-77 and China, as well as other groupings such as the Like minded developing countries which includes India, China, Philippines, the Africa Group, and the ALBA group of Latin American countries "strongly condemned the absence of any reference in the text to issues of support-finance and technology.

Developing countries like India and China have consistently stressed that developed countries need to provide climate finance and commit to higher emission reduction targets in the pre-2020 period.The developing country bloc G-77 and China has put a figure of $60 billion for the period 2013-15 as climate funding.:china: Till now there has been no clear indication on finance while developed countries have made clear that they are not open to taking on higher emission reduction efforts.

The lack of clarity on the $30 billion provided by the developed countries as fast start finance between 2009-12 doesn't inspire confidence in the developing countries. China's head of delegation Xie Zhenhua said, "China will have a open and flexible attitude towards the negotiations and is willing to discuss all kinds of questions. But the developing countries have to see the money. I have heard three accounts of the money that has been disbursed under the fast start finance--$30billion, $26.3billion and $1.3 billion. The developing countries would like to see more detailed information about this money--which country paid and who received the money, how was the money used."

The industrialised countries however maintain that commitment of $30 billion has been met. Hedegaard said, "we have delivered on fast start finance which not a small thing considering the economic condition."

Countries like India and China have consistently stressed that they are not opposed to bring the Bali track of negotiations to a close provided that all crucial issues like higher emission reduction targets by developed countries in the pre-2020 period, finance, adaptation, equity, intellectual property rights are addressed or carried over for discussion in the appropriate body under the Convention.:thumb:

UN Climate Change Negotiations 2012: Developed countries not made any commitment on further reduction in emissions - Economic Times
 

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i do expect few comments by other members on this topic, just no response on this so crucial issue?????
 

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IIRC only small nations like Maldives caved in. India, China (and others) will never accept legally binding cuts on emissions
^^ Well said. The developed nations need to cut down on emissions and bring it down, the onus is on them. Not on us.
Mods, any chance make this as a sticky thread ?

i do expect some contributions, thoughts/ findings, from other members in this thread. i may keep bringing the news but we do need to discuss them also :ranger:
 

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India may also accept a Carbon Emission Level at the factor of '0.9' to that of China's Emission Level

Sir, I would like to give a clear meaning of my last post, why we want Carbon Binding on 'per capita'/ 'per person' basis only? and as I have said before in my posts, Carbon Emission Binding is all about numbers of ACs, Cars, Industries etc a country can have, and hence its all about the number of people, that certain country will have to handle.........

I mean, if US has 60mil ACs in its homes and 200mil Cars for 330mil population, with the status of highly industrialized nation, then why India also can't have at least 60mil ACs, 200mil Cars, and the same number of industries for its 1.2 billion population????? and with the fact that USA is United States of America and EU27 combines 27 states, India & China also have the same number of states........

one day I also said that if China has 1.34 billion population and India has 1.21 billion people then we may also accept India with the emission level at the factor of 1.21/1.34 = 0.9 to the Total Emission Level of China......

I mean, there would a logic behind anything we say on the Indian forums, or, we do know that China has successfully emerged as a true representative of developing countries and we would 'only' demand India to be legally bound with the Carbon Emission level at the factor of '0.9' of total Emission level, the Chinese government would accept for its own people. I mean, on just this Carbon Binding negotiation, China would help India have as much emission level as they want for their own people, as below :china:

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China gets tough on carbon
12 June 2013

China, responsible for about one-quarter of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, has ambitious goals to reduce them — but has been unwilling to set absolute targets for fear of slowing economic growth. There are now signs that its position is changing.

On 18 June, the country will launch an emissions-trading scheme in the southern city of Shenzhen, marking its first attempt to cut emissions using market mechanisms. Under the scheme, more than 630 industrial and construction companies will be given quotas for how much carbon dioxide they can emit. Companies that pollute more than they are allowed will have to buy credits from cleaner counterparts that reduce emissions below their quota — thereby creating a price for the greenhouse gas. :china:

Another six such cap-and-trade schemes will be rolled out by the end of the year in the cities of Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai and Chongqing, and the provinces of Guangdong and Hubei. The trial will cover 864 million tonnes of carbon dioxide by 2015 — around 7% of China's total emissions and about the total amount emitted by Germany each year, according to a report by the London-based analyst firm Bloomberg New Energy Finance. These regional pilot schemes will set the stage for the nationwide carbon market that is scheduled to launch in 2016.

China has committed to cutting its carbon intensity — carbon emissions per unit of gross domestic product — by 40–45% of 2005 levels by 2020, which allows for increases in emissions, although at a slower rate. The initial emissions limits for the regional schemes will be set by applying the carbon-intensity targets to the emissions of individual companies. In 2016, this system will be scaled up nationally, again in line with carbon- intensity targets. :china:

After 2020, this plan is likely to be replaced with an absolute cap that would require a decline in overall emissions covered under the scheme. Such a move will depend on the effectiveness of an array of planned energy policies, researchers say. "It's not difficult from a technical point of view," says Xiang Gao, a member of China's climate-talks delegation and a researcher at China's National Development and Reform Committee (NDRC), the power-ful ministry responsible for planning the country's economic and social development. "It's a matter of political will — which, in turn, will depend on whether the top leadership can be convinced that such a move is best for the country's economy and social stability," Gao says.

Researchers say that China has reasons beyond climate change to implement emission caps. In the past few years, rampant air pollution has caused increased public resentment and social unrest across the country. "China may not have a choice any more," says Knut Alfsen, head of research at the Centre for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo. "It's just much better to control total emissions."

A commitment from China to cap emissions "would breathe new life into climate talks", adds Alfsen, who is also a member of the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development, an international think tank that works closely with China's cabinet and the NDRC. At the next climate-change summit, in Paris in 2015, nearly 200 countries will aim to reach a legally binding global agreement on emissions cuts, which would take effect in 2020. Kelly Sims Gallagher, an expert on energy and environmental policy at Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts, says that an ambitious emissions cap from China "would send a strong political signal to the world" and would make it easier to pass more aggressive climate legislation in the United States, where there is strong political resistance to national climate regulations.

Most researchers contacted by Nature are only cautiously optimistic that China can cap its emissions. A carbon ceiling for China "depends in part on how successful the pilot schemes will be", says Lei Ming, an environmental economist at Peking University in Beijing. "We will have to cross the river by feeling the stones," he says, citing the famous one-liner by the late reformist leader Deng Xiaoping.

One of the main challenges for the nationwide cap-and-trade scheme will be establishing its credibility. Verifying emissions, for instance, will be difficult in such a large country, says Gallagher. David Yuetan Tang, board secretary of the Tianjin Climate Exchange, which is in charge of one of the seven pilot emission-trading schemes, says that there is an institutional void about who will do this — and also a legal void about how companies will be punished for fraudulent claims or emissions excesses. "This is absolutely paramount, because emission quotas are money," he adds.

Moreover, whether emissions trading can work under China's political system remains to be seen, critics say. "The energy market in China is not entirely free and has a lot of government interference and monopoly," says Qi Ye, an environmental-policy researcher at Tsinghua University and director of the Beijing office of the international think tank Climate Policy Initiative. The price of electricity, for instance, is heavily controlled, he says, which could seriously diminish the impact of imposing a carbon price on electricity producers.

Emissions trading is just one of a series of energy and pollution policies due to be introduced in the next few years. For instance, Beijing is considering implementing a carbon tax to rein in pollution by sectors not covered by cap and trade, and continues to invest aggressively in renewable energy. It has also pledged to reduce the production and use of hydrofluoro-carbons, powerful greenhouse gases used in refrigeration and air conditioning. :china:

China gets tough on carbon : Nature News & Comment
 

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Africans Unite Against New Form of Colonialism
Mar 30, 2013

Outraged by the rampant land grabs and neocolonialism of REDD (Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and forest degradation), Africans at the World Social Forum in Tunisia took the historic decision to launch the No REDD in Africa Network and join the global movement against REDD. :thumb:

REDD+ is a carbon offset mechanism whereby industrialized Northern countries use forests, agriculture, soils and even water as sponges for their pollution instead of reducing greenhouse gas emissions at source. :rsk:

"REDD is no longer just a false solution but a new form of colonialism," denounced Nnimmo Bassey, Alternative Nobel Prize Laureate, former Executive Director of ERA/Friends of the Earth Nigeria. "In Africa, REDD+ is emerging as a new form of colonialism, economic subjugation and a driver of land grabs so massive that they may constitute a continent grab.We launch the No REDD in Africa Network to defend the continent from carbon colonialism."
In the UN-REDD Framework Document, the United Nations itself admits that REDD could result in the "lock-up of forests," "loss of land" and "new risks for the poor."

REDD originally just included forests but its scope has been expanded to include soils and agriculture. In a teach-in session yesterday at the World Social Forum Tunis, members of the La Via Campesina, the world's largest peasant movement, were concerned that REDD projects in Africa would threaten food security and could eventually cause hunger.

A recent Via Campesina study on the N'hambita REDD project in Mozambique found that thousands of farmers were paid meager amounts for seven years for tending trees, but that because the contract is for 99 years, if the farmer dies his or her children and their children must tend the trees for free. "This constitutes carbon slavery," denounced the emerging No REDD in Africa Network. The N'hambita project was celebrated by the UN on the website for Rio+20, the Earth Summit held in Rio de Janeiro last year.

Mercia Andrews, Rural Women's Assembly of Southern Africa urged "We as Africans need to go beyond the REDD problem to forging a solution.The last thing Africa needs is a new form of colonialism."

Africans from Nigeria, South Africa, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Mozambique, Tunisia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Kenya and Tanzania participated in the launch of the No REDD in Africa Network.

According the The New York Times, over 22,000 farmers with land deeds were violently evicted for a REDD-type project in Uganda in 2011 and Friday Mukamperezida, an eight-year-old boy was killed when his home was burned to the ground.

REDD and carbon forest projects are resulting in massive evictions, servitude, slavery, persecutions, killings, and imprisonment, according to the nascent No REDD in Africa Network. :facepalm:

"The Global Alliance of Indigenous Peoples and Local Communities on Climate Change against REDD and for Life hails the birth of the NO REDD in Africa Network. This signals a growing resistance against REDD throughout the world," Tom Goldtooth, Director of the Indigenous Environmental Network. "We know REDD could cause genocide and we are delighted that the Africans are taking a stand to stop what could be the biggest land grab of all time."

Africans Unite Against New Form of Colonialism | Indigenous Environmental Network
 

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Western nations 'used bullying tactics' at climate talks :toilet:

World Development Movement report accuses developed countries of threatening behaviour at climate change summits :facepalm:

Leading figures in western governments have been accused of using bullying tactics with developing countries during climate change summits.

The criticisms will cast a shadow over the climate conference in Durban, South Africa, which begins tomorrow, in the latest attempt to stabilise greenhouse gas levels around the world.

A new report, published by the World Development Movement, contains previously unpublished testimonies from insiders at both the Copenhagen and Cancún climate summits in 2009 and 2010. Officials of developing countries complain of divide-and-rule tactics and threats to withhold vital funds unless agreements are signed.

In one section the report criticises threats by richer countries to withdraw funds to help poorer nations cope with climate change if they failed to sign up to the accord. It says: "The US and the UK openly stated that climate finance would be limited to those that signed up to [it]. Ed Miliband, the UK minister, was blunt about linking the funding of developing countries with accepting the accord. The concerns he raised must be duly noted, he said, 'otherwise we won't operationalise the funds'."

The authors add: "The US said they would deny climate finance to Bolivia and Ecuador because they had objected to the Copenhagen accord proposal. The EU's Connie Hedegaard had also suggested that the small island-state countries "could be 'our best allies because they need finance'."

One diplomat from the tiny Polynesian island of Tuvalu said at the time: "Can I suggest that it looks like we are being offered 30 pieces of silver to betray our people and our future? Mr President, our future is not for sale."

It is a standard tactic at UN climate meetings for rich countries to try to divide and rule developing countries' negotiating groups. Developing countries admit they are bamboozled by the tactics and are often unable to keep up with the negotiations.

One diplomat told the report's authors: "At one point in Copenhagen there were 26 meetings taking place simultaneously. How can a developing country delegation of two people possibly hope to cope? These numbers are life and death. There is no intention to agree a fair scenario, whether voluntary or by obligation. It's so clear: we only need your signature here, we have figured out everything, we have designed the role of your country, there is no more time, please sign here now.

"Developed countries sit down and delay, and just repeat inanities, and then they go out and tell the media that the developing countries are blocking the negotiations, and all the world believes it, even developing countries!" :tsk:

Another diplomat said: "There is the small stuff, like travels, scholarships, jobs, but the favours are also small stuff, or so it seems, until the implications come in, especially for developing countries' interests in general. And then there is always the threat to cut off funding for a project, or something, if one gets too aggressive."

In Cancún last year the rich countries created a new system of meetings. "It created confusion, it was so hard to challenge this and to say procedurally this is wrong. Procedures were totally ignored. If this would happen in Fifa the whole world would be scandalised!" WDM was told.

Bolivia felt particularly aggrieved by UN tactics in Cancún, where its representatives lobbied for deeper cuts in emissions than richer countries were prepared to accept.

According to a Bolivian diplomat, their delegation agreed to participate in a side-meeting on condition that no plenary meeting took place at the same time.

The diplomat said: "Three minutes after they left the hall, an official plenary [to adopt the outcomes of the Kyoto protocol] started. It was a deliberate trick! We could only lodge reservations, and run to try and find our senior negotiators and get them back in to the room."

Western nations 'used bullying tactics' at climate talks | Environment | The Observer

Warsaw climate change talks falter as EU and developing countries clash
22 November 2013

EU chief chastised for expressing frustration with failure to agree timetable on emission cuts and attempts by some to opt out

United Nations talks on climate change were on the brink of breaking down on Friday as a group of developing countries launched a furious attack on the European Union over plans to set out a timetable towards a global deal on greenhouse gas emissions.

Rows over whether rich countries should pay compensation to the poor for the effects of climate change, and over how governments can move to a historic global deal on emissions, have disrupted the fortnight-long talks, which have been marked by walk-outs and recriminations.

As the talks dragged on into the night, the EU's climate chief, Connie Hedegaard, expressed frustration with the failure to agree a timetable on emissions cuts, and with attempts by a small number of developing countries to opt out of the proposal.

In a dramatic intervention late on Friday, Venezuela's head of delegation, representing a group of "like-minded countries" including China, India, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, accused the EU of "damaging seriously the atmosphere of confidence and trust in this process".:ranger: Claudia Salerno said: "We are shocked by the brazen attack against our group by Hedegaard – it is incredible that she has chosen to accuse our group of blocking progress."

Talks had been inching towards a conclusion, with participants reporting "productive" meetings and "modest progress". The negotiations were meant to lay the groundwork for a crunch meeting in Paris in late 2015, at which governments are supposed to sign a new global treaty on climate change, to come into force from 2020, which would be the first to include commitments on emissions from both developed and developing nations.

Before this can happen, it is crucial thatall countries set out national targets on emissions well in advance of the Paris talks, so that other participants can assess the targets – which would lay out cuts into the 2020s and beyond – and can see whether they are sufficiently ambitious to head off dangerous levels of climate change.

The US, the EU and many other rich and poor countries see such a programme as essential. But as the talks dragged on into extra time in Poland's national football stadium on Friday night, there was still no consensus.

Salerno's outburst underlined the fractious nature of the talks, and the new divisions between some rapidly emerging economies, some of them with large fossil fuel interests, and other developing countries that have more to lose from the effects of climate change.

The spokesman for Hedegaard said some countries wanted to portray the talks as divided between the developed and developing world. "It's not like that. It is the willing versus the unwilling."

The EU and US are also anxious to ensure that rapidly growing economies – especially China, which is now the world's biggest emitter of C02 and second biggest economy – take on responsibilities for their emissions, which they did not under the Kyoto protocol.

In another strand, the highly contentious issue of "loss and damage", by which developing countries stricken by the effects of severe weather would receive assistance, was moving towards compromise.

That would involve a mechanism for channelling funds to vulnerable countries when they suffer natural disasters related to global warming. This is very different from the "compensation" that some developing countries want from the rich world, and which rich countries have ruled out, but they may accept this compromise as it would allow them to receive funding when disaster strikes.

Ed Davey, the UK's energy and climate secretary, said: "I think we will be able to reconcile these views."

Warsaw climate change talks falter as EU and developing countries clash | Environment | The Guardian
 
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India must not accept to legally binding emission cuts.
Global warming is predominantly due to developed/industrialized nations and they are responsible for reducing it.
India can contribute but not at the cost of her development.
Developed nations are trying to put a check on the developing nations so that their hegemony extends for few more decades and India gaining collective support from all other parties must oppose this seriously.
What happened to the $100 Billion in aid and technology transfer to support poor nations to tacke Global warming?
If developed nations do not act fast then the end of human civilization is imminent.
 

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Absolutely. And they have an army of children brainwashed to up the ante on bullying.
 

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I see strict environmental climate change rules as net positive for us developing countries than net liabilities. Imagine the new industries and work we'll create in the process of complying stringent environmental rules. It's the will to adopt, innovate, invest and succeed that are the most crucial requirements. Right now, it's China that's winning in the effort to seize the opportunity presented by stronger environmental laws.

I'm an optimist and alwas sees the glass half full. And cimate change is a very serious matter for the Philippines since we have 7,100 islands. So a huge area of our coastal land is at risk of disappearing due to rising sea water. Imagine the economic cost of that due to lost real estate and businesses along the coastlimes.

What I observed is that the opposition to climate change comes from billionaires in both developed and developing countries (but mainly from developing countries) whose businesses (chief are coal energy and steel manufacturers) will be adversely affected by stronger environmental rules. Sure they can adopt to new budiness models since they have already Billions but as always the case, human nature dictates that even billionaires are averse to prospect of losses and uncertainty in the trasition to cleaner industrial models. Why would they, ther're earning a lot from dirty industries right now?

A lot of ordinary people on the other hand are easily duped by anti colonial rhetorics such us "Why us? Why not them who are already rich?" Ironically, in developing countries, the No. 1 beneficiaries of a shift to cleaner industry are the poor wage workers. Cleaner industries means cleaner air to breath, cleaner rivers and streams, higher occupational safety requirements and thus lesser poor man's diseases.

As I said, China sees the glass half full and it's going full steam ahead to grab all the industrial benefits of shifting to cleaner industries. Short-sighted countries on the other hand will be short-changed as they keep on complaining about it using the age-old anti-colonial mantra.
 
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