Muammer Gaddafi dies of Injuries: NTC official

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Some interesting history on Gaddafi relations with India in these two articles

Drama and Indira thaw

Washington, Oct. 20: Muammar Gaddafi was probably the last among the offspring of the decolonisation process in the 1960s who knew how to tug at Indira Gandhi's heartstrings.

The late Prime Minister had a weakness for such leaders both as the daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru and because Indira Gandhi herself was, in a sense, a product of the era of decolonisation.

But she was also a stickler for protocol and etiquette. In 1983, Col. Gaddafi sent Maj. Abdel Salam Jalloud, his closest friend from their days at the military academy of Benghazi, to New Delhi to represent Libya at the seventh non-aligned summit under her leadership.

Jalloud had been Prime Minister in the early days of Gaddafi's revolution. As the Libyan state was systematically dismantled, Jalloud was made "Deputy Chairman of the Libyan Revolutionary Command Council", the real government of that unpredictable country. In effect, he was second in importance only to Gaddafi himself.

Jalloud arrived in New Delhi and like many Arab delegations to the 1983 summit, heady with their new oil riches and the illusion that they would soon drive the Israelis into the sea, made a spectacle of himself.

He then proceeded to Hyderabad where he gave short shrift to protocol and endangered his own security as a state guest by abruptly getting off his vehicle and dancing on the roof of a car in front of Charminar, surrounded by huge crowds that are never in short supply in the Old City.

Indira Gandhi was furious when pictures of a dancing Jalloud atop a state car appeared in the newspapers. Not only because he had violated his hosts, but also because Jalloud's behaviour was seen as Libya's attempt to court Indian Muslims by going behind the backs of the state and central governments.

Many Arab states, especially from the Gulf, were then trying to establish their independent line to Indian Muslims and Indira Gandhi was extremely sensitive to such perfidious behaviour by countries she was making special efforts to reach out to.

Jalloud, who defected to Italy two months ago, is a man who revels in drama. According to Anthony Sampson's authoritative book on the world's seven largest oil companies, The Seven Sisters, Jalloud negotiated oil rights in Libya with these companies with a loaded pistol on the negotiating table in front of him.

Dealing with India, however, proved to be harder than negotiating with the Seven Sisters. Soon after Jalloud's disastrous dance at the Charminar, relations between New Delhi and Tripoli went into deep freeze.

But Gaddafi knew how to make Indira Gandhi thaw.

He quietly sent his second wife and mother of seven of the eight Gaddafi children, Safia Farkash el-Brasai, to New Delhi to apologise to Indira Gandhi for Jalloud's behaviour and to invite the Prime Minister to Tripoli.

Indira Gandhi not only thawed, she visited Libya within a year, the only Indian Prime Minister to have set foot in Tripoli.

Safia, incidentally, sought refuge along with some of her children in Algeria at the end of August as her husband's regime was crumbling.

Her flight to Algiers too has an Indian angle.

Their arrival in Algiers was confirmed to the world when Mourad Benmehidi, Algeria's permanent representative to the UN, wrote a letter to Hardeep Singh Puri, his Indian counterpart, on August 29, the day of their border crossing. Puri was then president of the UN Security Council and he circulated Algeria's letter to Council members, the high-profile asylum officially signalling that the end of Gaddafi was at hand.

Unlike Indira Gandhi's other laudable initiatives in the Gulf and the rest of West Asia, neither India nor Libya benefited much from the only prime ministerial visit to Tripoli. A few thousand Indian doctors and nurses found jobs in Libya as the result of a bilateral agreement for co-operation in the field of health in the run-up to the visit.

Other agreements have remained largely symbolic, such as a cultural co-operation agreement, a pact on the avoidance of double taxation and another on bilateral investment protection.

Till his overthrow from power a few months ago in a rebellion nourished by Nato and openly aided by the UN, Gaddafi, however, dreamt of a breakthrough with India, a country he admired for its fight against colonialism and hegemony which constituted the core of his political philosophy.

Yet, his dream remained a fantasy partly because Gaddafi was erratic and partly because he lived in a world that was far removed from reality even in policy and strategic terms.

As a leader who always rushed in where angels proverbially feared to tread, Gaddafi's overtures to India were often on the wrong foot.

In 1999, when fighting in Kargil was at its height, Gaddafi typically got the hare-brained idea that he was going to solve the Kashmir problem, which, he concluded, had triggered the conflict in Kargil. So, true to his erratic ways, he summoned the Indian and Pakistani ambassadors in Tripoli one midnight to his presence.

Gaddafi then peremptorily unveiled his solution to the two envoys, according to a cable sent by the Indian ambassador to South Block detailing the meeting.

The Libyan strongman wanted both India and Pakistan to give up their claims on Kashmir and create one contiguous political entity made up of Jammu and Kashmir and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir to be left entirely to be governed by the people who lived there without any interference from the outside. The Indian ambassador in question later became New Delhi's consul-general in Chicago.

On September 12, 2003, when the UN Security Council adopted its resolution 1506 and lifted long years of sanctions against Libya for its role in bombing a passenger aircraft over Scotland, India was unstinting in its support for Tripoli.

As a result, New Delhi got a head start in Libya. Well before any of the major powers that had worked hard for lifting the sanctions in the Security Council had drawn up any concrete plans to regain a foothold in Libya, arrangements were made for a visit to Libya by Jaswant Singh when he was external affairs minister.

But Singh called off his visit at the last minute, partly because of memories of the Kargil-related midnight episode in 1999 and partly because relations with the US — which was then deeply opposed to Gaddafi — were then at the top of South Block's external affairs agenda.

India weighed the opportunity cost of relations with Libya and decided that the initiative would not be worth it on a foreign policy balance sheet.

But today, even as the first reports about the fall of Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte came in, New Delhi was proactive in its desire to reaffirm and protect its stakes in Tripoli. Libya took up a considerable part of external affairs minister S.M. Krishna's 90-minute meeting with French foreign minister Alain Juppé.

Significantly, one paragraph in today's joint statement on "India-France: Partnership for the Future" was devoted solely to Libya and spoke about efforts "to rebuild their country after the sufferings they have endured".

Krishna told Juppé that their differences need not prevent India and France from discussing the future of Libya.

France has been among Nato's most active members in changing the Libyan regime and could facilitate India's re-entry into Libya under a Western-supported post-Gaddafi arrangement.

India was swift in commenting on Gaddafi's death and, in fact, issued a statement in New Delhi even before the Obama administration had had time to react. "India's relations with the people of Libya are deep and long-standing," it said.

"At this juncture, India reiterates its readiness to extend all possible assistance to the people of Libya in their political transition and rebuilding of the country."
Inconsistent Gaddafi once sent wife to invite Indira - Indian Express

Not every head of state would send his wife to another country to invite, in fact coax, his counterpart to visit his country. Libya's erratic Muammar Gaddafi did just that in the early 1980s to make Indira Gandhi visit Tripoli.

The move reflected not just Tripoli's warm ties with New Delhi then, but his eccentricity. Decades later, the same leader kept a visiting Indian external affairs minister waiting for about four hours for an audience.

After Gaddafi was killed, diplomats remembered not just his strange ways of functioning but his ties with India which vacillated from extremely warm to turbulent and frosty over the years. "India was always very wary of him basically because of his unpredictable nature," a diplomat recalled. New Delhi began engaging him shortly after he came to power in 1969.

"He had a soft corner for India which had helped him during his rise to power in the 1970s. Our ties gradually grew strong. New Delhi helped Libya in infrastructure building. We executed very many projects there. Gradually our people also started going to Libya. Thousands and thousands were employed in the construction sector," N Ravi, former secretary in the MEA who had dealt with Libya, told The Indian Express.

Libya started playing a role in the non-aligned movement and the bond thickened in the 1970s and 1980s . He was keen to roll out the red carpet for Indira Gandhi. "Once he sent his wife to Delhi to meet Mrs Gandhi. She told her, 'I have come to invite you to Libya. My husband has sent me all the way here and I will not go back without you. He will get angry with me,'" recalled Chinmaya Gharekhan, who had served as India's special envoy to West Asia.

His eccentric ways were also visible when he chose not to attend the NAM summit in Delhi in 1983. He abandoned his embassy in India and asked Libyan students studying here to run the mission. "We faced a peculiar situation wherein students overnight became heads of mission," a diplomat recalled.

Gandhi did visit Libya in 1984 and Gaddafi himself came to the airport to receive her. While the visit went well, the colonel, as is his wont, sprang a surprise asking Gandhi to assist Libya develop its nuclear programme, which she politely rejected. But he did endorse India's stand on the Kashmir issue for many years.

"He sided with India on Kashmir arguing that it was a bilateral dispute between India and Pakistan and on several other disputes initially. In that sense, he had been an ally," CPI(M) leader Sitaram Yechury remembered.

An MEA spokesperson said "India's relations with the people of Libya are deep and longstanding. At this juncture, India reiterates its readiness to extend all possible assistance to the people of Libya in their political transition and rebuilding of the country" and hoped peace and stability would return.

Gaddafi, however, shifted his position in the new century, once favouring a referendum in Kashmir, later advocating that it be made an independent state — like a 'Baathist state' between India and Pakistan — and comparing his crackdown against the Libyan opposition to India's actions in Kashmir. The ties with India turned frosty in the last few years strangely coinciding with his rapprochement with the western world.

In the past, India and Libya were not just friends in the non-aligned forum. There was economic cooperation too. New Delhi had energy interests in Libya.

During the oil boom in the 1970s and 80s, India executed the largest number of high value projects in Libya. "We had a very strong presence. When the exploration and production projects were awarded, many Indian companies got them," another diplomat who had served in Libya said.

"In the power sector, BHEL got very good orders. ONGC's foreign arm OVL got clear access for exploration offshore," Ravi pointed out. Even in 2006, when he was busy mending fences with the West, his daughter Aisha chose India as her honeymoon destination. The ties took a dip when in his maiden address to the UN General Assembly in 2009, he shocked New Delhi with his separate-state demand for Kashmir even as the latter was trying to rejuvenate relationship with Tripoli.
 

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Check the news and video here [GRAPHIC]: BBC News - Libya's Col Gaddafi 'killed in crossfire', says NTC

Quoted from the same news report:
Libya's Col Muammar Gaddafi was killed in crossfire in an assault on his birthplace of Sirte, officials say.

Compare the video and the statement from NTC. They are inconsistent. Gaddafi was murdered in cold blood. Eventually justice was done for his crimes. Keep in mind, however, that a day will come when these very NTC people, no saints themselves, will face a similar predicament.

What goes around, comes around.
 
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After this can anyone really blame Iran for wanting nuclear weapons?

Libya was one of the only developed countries in Africa and now even that is ruined.
 

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After this can anyone really blame Iran for wanting nuclear weapons?

Libya was one of the only developed countries in Africa and now even that is ruined.
Not really. From a neutral perspective, I am glad North Korea has nukes and long range missiles and Iran has every right to get a few for herself. These days, we are not only targets of terrorists organisations like Al Qaida, LeT and other militant groups, but also from bullies like NATO and PRC.
 

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Muammer Gaddafi dies of Injuries: NTC official
Seems it is a world where bad is replaced by worse! How fair was it for NATO to support (actively by force) an armed rebellion and their not democratically elected leaders for replacing a nefarious phug? Did NATO took a survey which had revealed Libyans loving/hating M Gadaffi? What if Libiyans had by majority voted for Gadaffi than any of these NTC members in any such survey? Should i presume if India dumps democracy and chooses single man government then NATO will attack India as well? Is there a god granted contract awarded to NATO for enforcing DEMOCRACY everywhere on planet?
 
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Another chapter of cruel dictatorship has been ended. This was the person who shoot his own public and termed them as termites. He deserve this ending.
 

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Half dead gaddafi was tied up at the back of a car and dragged through the streets. Only animals indulge in these sort of things. Taliban did the same thing when they acquired power, they also shot the afghan president and dragged in through the streets and hung him from a telephone pole.

I can see extremists gaining power.
Oh come on, man ! If you had seen the pictures of college going students hanged to death and their bodies put up for display by the roadside, you will feel that he got a lesser than deserved death. Their only fault was that Gaddafi suspected them of rebellion or espionage, and this way he has eliminated hundreds of innocent people just because he had a paranoia of being assassinated.

I would have loved if somebody nailed him to the ground and run a tank over his skull. That's the death he deserved for what atrocities he committed.
He got a far lesser one.
 

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As far as I see. 2 more socialist leaders (maybe not in their self-greed, but in their outlook) bite the dust, to be replaced by real psychotic Islamist despots, backed by America. Nothing and nobody in the region is more evil than America's friends, the Wahhabis.
Yup. The Wahhabis are biggest scourge of the Middle East. But even the Saudis are shit scared of them. I don't anybody can do something about this disease.
 

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On September 12, 2003, when the UN Security Council adopted its resolution 1506 and lifted long years of sanctions against Libya for its role in bombing a passenger aircraft over Scotland, India was unstinting in its support for Tripoli.

As a result, New Delhi got a head start in Libya. Well before any of the major powers that had worked hard for lifting the sanctions in the Security Council had drawn up any concrete plans to regain a foothold in Libya, arrangements were made for a visit to Libya by Jaswant Singh when he was external affairs minister.

But Singh called off his visit at the last minute, partly because of memories of the Kargil-related midnight episode in 1999 and partly because relations with the US — which was then deeply opposed to Gaddafi — were then at the top of South Block's external affairs agenda.
This is the sort of cowardice that really pisses me off. Not doing things because it would upset the yanks, now that would be understandable if they weren't arming and aiding the pakis.
 

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I think the Libyan people should be grateful to Qaddafi, I mean he stood against external powers, kept the culture intact and had a vision for Libya. He is most definitely great.
 

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Half dead gaddafi was tied up at the back of a car and dragged through the streets. Only animals indulge in these sort of things. Taliban did the same thing when they acquired power, they also shot the afghan president and dragged in through the streets and hung him from a telephone pole.

I can see extremists gaining power.
I too felt the same when i watched that scene in TV news channel, i can see another fundamentalist Islamic country rising. I wonder what form of Govt. they will adopt for their country,

How far it's possible to have Democracy there ?
 

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Hehe, for the current American empire, thats now how many heads of states they have killed... including Osama? What a coincidence they all also happened to be critics of the US...

Its like 5 down, 657 to go...
 

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I too felt the same when i watched that scene in TV news channel, i can see another fundamentalist Islamic country rising. I wonder what form of Govt. they will adopt for their country,

How far it's possible to have Democracy there ?
Well, you certainly haven't seen what Gaddafi did to his own people and how he executed them on mere suspicion. You wouldn't have said this if you had seen the horrible deaths of innocent people that he orchestrated.
 

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Might is right...natural selection process is at work, so nobody must complain. I guess he wasn't a friend of India either.

Gaddafi antagonised India with Kashmir remarks

under his regime India and Libya have been at best distant neighbors. Gaddafi was perceived here to be a friend of Pakistan who benefited from the A.Q Khan illicit nuclear smuggling network and one who raked up the Kashmir issue in the UN General Assembly two years ago.

if India had a seat then Pakistan would want a seat as well.

he compared his crackdown against the Libyan opposition to India's actions in Kashmir.
Article says "India has significant investment in energy sector in Libya". Can anybody put more light over this? What is India's future in Libya after Gaddafi's death?

I am happy that rouge states propped and supported by CCP and to some extent by Russia are going down one after another. Opposing imperialism is one thing, supporting unpredictable and violent regimes is an entirely different matter.
 

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Sorry, just HAD to add


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26686

Shows some of the benefits that Gadaffi had brought to the Libyan people, virtually eliminating poverty and infant mortality, implementing free public health care and education, and developing industry.

But now the IMF, World Bank and NATO are going to swoop in for the kill...
 
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Well, you certainly haven't seen what Gaddafi did to his own people and how he executed them on mere suspicion. You wouldn't have said this if you had seen the horrible deaths of innocent people that he orchestrated.
I have seen and read it,i have heard about 1270 dead bodies found in mass grave in Tripoli, Gaddafi should have been punished according to process of law, but they killed him which is not good for a newly liberated country, they should have established a new government system and law ,before executing him, however he is dead now and it was necessary for the welfare of that country.

I personally want to see Democracy there,but who knows what they will choose.
 

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That poll question isn't reflection of reality... it was for BOTH.
 

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Well, you certainly haven't seen what Gaddafi did to his own people and how he executed them on mere suspicion. You wouldn't have said this if you had seen the horrible deaths of innocent people that he orchestrated.
What is difference between both then ?

Replace one savage with another ? I thought this was about freedom, democracy, human rights etc
 

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The west will actually be tested now in it's resolve to have a democracy there. If they back off now, then it will be exposed in it's motive of just being after Gaddafi and nothing else.
 

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