Mosque at Ground Zero? Plan angers NY

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Well USA has just "avoided a bullet" so to speak. If the pastor would not have been reined in time it would have been a major setback for American interests globally.
But that does nt mean that the the threat is over yet.

It is better to NOT GO by the book in this case. There is no constitution in the world which says PEOPLE'S SENTIMENTS can be trampled upon.

US government CAN NOT handle the 200 MILLION American people who are opposed to the mosque.
 
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Singh, he is just asking a thing you can't forced people to accept your point. Forum made by people remember.
 

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Singh, he is just asking a thing you can't forced people to accept your point. Forum made by people remember.
No and No.

JK is not asking a thing, he is publicly questioning my decision of warning a member. Why was KP warned ? The wording is amply clear.

For those interested in further details, here is a more lucid explanation of why KP was warned.

A. This thread is over 18 pages long. The argument he has made has been discussed in the thread previously as well.

B. KP's posts are what is called a flamebait(google it), he essentially equated all Muslims to be akin to terrorists and fanatical Saudis. If flame baits are not discouraged, then it will be a free for all and usually lead to a change in the character of this board.

C. KP has been given infractions and warnings previously and has been asked to behave himself and follow our posting rules and etiquette. Failure to comply will result in long term ban for him.

D. We have previously made half a dozen announcements saying we don't encourage religious or political debates as we are primarily a defence board. But once in a while do allow it, if the debate is clean and meaningful. A lot of religious threads were closed because they were nothing more than rants with no arguments or logic.

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Now JK obviously has no idea about the background nor how this forum is run. If you have issues with a decision you send a Pm. Wasting thread space and derailing discussions is frowned upon. To derail discussions, poison the atmosphere, to bitch and rant on the shoutbox and then accuse a mod of abusing his powers a la Hitler (he mentioned that in the shoutbox) suggests that the member has no idea about the forum rules or the way this forum is run or respect for the forum and the team that manages it.
And on top of that he has made another account, which is strictly against the rules and usually leads to a permanent ban. Inspite of JKs multiple transgressions I have been rather lenient with him.

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And as for this forum is made by the people, you are partially correct. Running a forum requires a lot of time, investment and effort on the part of the admins and mods. In no quarter will you see the same set of members on DFI, this is a very fluid board and its the management, our old timers, stars and friends that are our anchor give DFI its unique identity.



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PS: Did you see how your post and my response resulted in derailing the thread ? So henceforth use PMs or SB to communicate. And most of our decisions are taken after reaching a consensus within the team.

PPS: If you have any problems with the way this forum is run, open a thread on the suggestions subforum or send a PM.
 

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IMHO, this topic has already been beaten to pulp in past threads. Also, what's the thing with highlighting Hinduism alone ?
Lets read his quote carefully and completely, but not selectively.

He said : "Church on a site, you could build a synagogue on a site, if you could build a Hindu temple on a site, then you should be able to build a mosque on the site"

not "if you could build a Hindu temple on a site, then you should be able to build a mosque on the site" alone.

He implies secular liberty, not religious comparison.
haters will spread hate.
 
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"If Hindu temple okay at ground zero, why not mosque: Obama"

Obama and his ifs and buts. There is no proposed Hindu Temple at Ground Zero, so Obama needs to stick to objective evaluation and avoid populist and attention-grabbing headline-making eloquence!

IMHO, they should build a secular Peace Memorial that does not explicitly indicate any particular faith.
Obama needs to get his facts straight, when did the Hindus ask for a temple at ground zero? and when was it approved??
 
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^^ I think he just meant that if every other religion can have a worship place at that location (theoretically) without any opposition, why not Islam.

Of course it is just a hypothetical statement.
 
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^^ I think he just meant that if every other religion can have a worship place at that location (theoretically) without any opposition, why not Islam.

Of course it is just a hypothetical statement.
He is making a big mistake mixing religion and politics.
 

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He is making a big mistake mixing religion and politics.
Well, one can say that he has to be seen to be fair and he also has a reputation to protect in the Islamic world.

So he can make such statements whle knowing that th public opinion is strongly against this mosque.
 
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Well, one can say that he has to be seen to be fair and he also has a reputation to protect in the Islamic world.

So he can make such statements whle knowing that th public opinion is strongly against this mosque.
whatever decision is made will upset one side, the issue is not if mosque should be built but Obama's involvement, politically remaining neutral would have been better and letting the NY mayor handle the rest of the things.
 

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whatever decision is made will upset one side, the issue is not if mosque should be built but Obama's involvement, politically remaining neutral would have been better and letting the NY mayor handle the rest of the things.
Obama is actually trying to walk the fine line. He said earlier that he would not comment on the wisdom of the decision to construct the mosque at the location.

Legally of course there is no way to stop the mosque and that is what he is saying.
 
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Obama is actually trying to walk the fine line. He said earlier that he would not comment on the wisdom of the decision to construct the mosque at the location.

Legally of course there is no way to stop the mosque and that is what he is saying.
This is close to november elections and Obama just shoot himself in the foot.
 

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He is making a big mistake mixing religion and politics.
i suspect what he is trying to do here is more than addressing the domestic audience he is trying to put across a message to the international audience. he knows or that is what i assume, that there wont be a mosque at the specified location, especially after the recent protests and strong opinion against, so why not show you were the one standing for secular rights and i suspect the only people who will be happy hearing all that will be american allies in mid-east who with the recent controversy surrounding the koran would have been quite mad at america, so what else would be the best way to pacify them than this?

as for the domestic audience, to being with i doubt the mosque will come up at the specified location, and if that is not happening then anger amongst the americans is going to make way to their immediate needs which concern them, then public memory is anyways quite short, and if they want they can create some other crisis to deflect the attention to gain political mileage and then the presidential elections are still a long time away.

by the way when are the next senate elections?
 

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Let me comment from a harsh realpolitik point of view for India.

- If the mosque is built, it will continue to be a rallying point for right wing americans against islam. It will be an insult that will rankle for long and deep and potentially affect the foreign policy of future republican govts to take a harder line with Jihadis. Having conceded such a tough battle on grounds of secularism and fairness, it will be (hopefully) harder for republican govts in the future to put up with the 'islam is in danger' cries from Pakistani army and taliban. Such a change in foreign policy will be good for India.

- If the mosque is shifted away by force or pressure, it will (hopefully) forever shut the mouths of the various american organizations that regularly preach to India and publish reports criticizing religious freedom in India. It will also (hopefully) shift more of the global jihadi attention on to US and thus reduce their interest in India.

The truth is India is the worst affected nation in the world when it comes to global islamic terrorism. We have been also at the receiving end of US realpolitik in form of the enormous arms and money given to Pak Army by USA. US also uses Kashmir as a stick to make us toe the line in Afghanistan and Pak border.

Anything that makes the Islamic fundamentalists and US fight with each other is beneficial for India.

Just a different way of looking at this issue rather than add to the long list of comments on whether its right or wrong for the mosque to be built. Otherwise this is simply an internal matter of the US between americans of differing faiths.
 

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There are 2 sides to this proposition.

If a mosque is built out of religion harmony, it will be a moral boosting to Al-Qaida and Taliban cadres. Also according to poll conducted more than 80% americans are against the building of mosque. In case of building a mosque this would be quite a backlash to the ruling Democrats and hurt Obama's image in front of the americans. But it would also serve as a relation strengthener to the Islamic world.

If a mosque is not built due fear of public backlash, it would kill the religious harmony which is already low in US among its people. And yes the Islamic world will not react much. But this will cause misunderstanding that the Americans think that Islam created 9/11 and not Al-Qaida.

I think as an Indian we must not bother much about this news as we already have a very inflammable and volatile mosque issue in India too.
 

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