INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

Armand's stuck in his own world. Mig-29As take off distance at MTOW was 400m using the 81KN RD-93 engines. Comparatively the Mig-29K has much more advanced aerodynamic solutions and 94KN engines during take off. The take off distance was reduced by half. There is a single 190m strip on the Gorky that allows Mig-29Ks to take off at full internal fuel of 5000 litres and full external fuel of 6000 litres.

The second shorter strip allows Mig-29s to take off at full internal fuel and 8 Air to Air missiles.

what ever, their is a rumor going around they cant carry Brahmos ASCM..
if they take off with it, they need to land without it!!!
What do ya say..

It is impossible for anything except for a Flanker sized aircraft to carry Brahmos. The missile alone is over 8 metres in length and will weigh 2.5 tons.

A new Brahmos "lite" will be developed for Mig-29 and Rafale.

Mig-29s will have to dump a lot of fuel in order to land.

MiG-29As MTOW take off distance was 1200m using RD-33. RD-93 is a special redesign for the gear box of the JF-17, The MiG-29K carries more fuel than the A so any increase in thrust is lost to weight. The 29K is less aerodynamic than the A model being a naval adaptation requiring arrestor gear and bigger fuel tanks. The longest launch position on the Gorky is 180m which allows the MiG-29k to take off will full fuel and a load-out of AAMs. It can't carry a strike load without ditching an equal amount of fuel.

The 160m launch position allows full fuel and no weapons, or reduced tank and 4X AAMs.

INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

I had posted this a long time ago. Too bad the actual site is gone. Also, guess what! This article does not even talk about the latest Mig-29K, this is the 90s version of Mig-29K of which only two were built for tests.

The 195m position, not 160m(a number you probably pulled out of your behind), is plenty for Mig-29K to take off at 22.5 tons. I still don't get how a 283m carrier cannot have a take off point of 190-200m, rather only half the length. Try measuring with a scale.

If you look at post 556, you yourself quoted that the Mig-29A would take off at full internal fuel and 4 AAMs the take off distance is 250m with the regular RD-33(not RD-93 that you "Oh So" generously pointed out).

Here is the quote:
So, a 90s level Mig-29 takes off with with full internal fuel and 4 AAMs from 250m, but needs another 1000m if it adds 4 missiles more, according to your logic.

Keep your BS to yourself.

lol at that source that no longer exists. My source does and explains it well...

The load-outs you are talking about at that distance is absurd. If they could run MTOW at such distances, Russia and every nation looking at carriers wouldn't be concerned with getting catapults... what is the point?

Your comments are getting absurd.

One things is certain, a navalised Mig 29 (or any other plane) will always be heavier @ empty weight than an air force conventional version.

P2p are u sure about this lite-brahmos?? Care to post a source. If true this will be great and also I believe this easily achievable as 300 km is overkill range for a anti ship missile. Even a 150 km range supersonic anti ship air launched missile will be a formidable weapon, and also it will provide a great export potential.

Plz post your source in the Brahmos missile thread.

The only reason the Indians need a catapult for Gorky type aircraft is for launching heavier AWACS and transport aircraft.

Anyway you don't understand the author's claims. The 1200m distance is for take off at dry power.
Some common sense might help.
From your own link:
No one will be launching carrier borne Mig-29s using dry power. These are not figures for the modified K or even the versions closest to it.

It's already been posted.
Livefist: BrahMos Considers All-New AShM For MiG-29K & MMRCA

You can say that. But Mig-29Ks official specs are not released for empty weight. The empty weight for a modern Mig-29 is quite low and the engines provide greater thrust to weight. With assorted equipment for carrier landing, there has been a slight increase in weight. With extra fuel and more thrust, the Mig-29K made in the 1980s reduced take off distance to 195m. A new engine is supposedly in development for more sustained thrust and possibly a much higher emergency thrust. So, all of this has increased capability of the Mig-29K many times. The two prototypes made in the 80s are not the same as the current version of the Mig-29K.

Simply because the Mig-29K can take off at MTOW from a carrier even the Russians find it a better aircraft, and they can have more at the same time.

Russian are using SU-33 for tests now..



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I read some old reports which mentioned 6 NLCAs for Gorky functioning side by side with 12 Mig-29Ks. That would still leave 10-12 helicopters apart from 18 fighters. Seems the closest to the actual Gorky aircraft complement.

But I guess all of this is post 2020.

That radar mast is such an eye-soar.