Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[WolfPack86]

Sea-Air-Space 2017 Day 3 / Part 1 - International Presence & US Naval Technology
In this video see from time 5:14 minutes US official talking about Emals export to India for INS Vishal to be approved soon by US Government

 

[kunal1123]

indian Air Force interested in Barak-8ER says Israeli Media Published April 15, 2017 SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG Barak-8 Next to Barak-8ER After Israel recently concluded multi-billion dollar deal to supply Indian Armed forces Long range Surface-to-Air Defence system dubbed MR-SAM and LR-SAM, Israeli Media referring to its sources in Israel Aerospace Industries has reported that Indian Air Force has also shown interested in procuring even longer range version of the missile system dubbed Barak-8ER/MR-SAM ER. Barak-8ER/MR-SAM ER which is an ER (extended range) of Barak-8 is currently under development by IAI. Barak-8ER with the addition of Booster and changes to its software and to the missile control surfaces will enable it to hit targets as far as 150km which is 67% more range than the current range of 90km. DRDO also had hinted that it can also develop in-house Extended range version of MR-SAM and LR-SAM which will have range of 120-150km using Indian technology but is yet to confirm if it has taken up such development. Indian Air Force is yet to officially confirm if it has put forward such requirements. DRDO as per media reports is also working on XRSAM Air Defence Missile system which will have speculated range of 250km and but recently has confirmed the development of Akash NG (Next Generation) which will have a range of 50km. Indian last year also placed orders to buy Russian developed S-400 Theater Air Defence Systems which can have long range coverage up to 400kms.

idrw.org . Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-interested-in-barak-8er-says-israeli-media/ .

 

[rohit b3]

indian Air Force interested in Barak-8ER says Israeli Media Published April 15, 2017 SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG Barak-8 Next to Barak-8ER After Israel recently concluded multi-billion dollar deal to supply Indian Armed forces Long range Surface-to-Air Defence system dubbed MR-SAM and LR-SAM, Israeli Media referring to its sources in Israel Aerospace Industries has reported that Indian Air Force has also shown interested in procuring even longer range version of the missile system dubbed Barak-8ER/MR-SAM ER. Barak-8ER/MR-SAM ER which is an ER (extended range) of Barak-8 is currently under development by IAI. Barak-8ER with the addition of Booster and changes to its software and to the missile control surfaces will enable it to hit targets as far as 150km which is 67% more range than the current range of 90km. DRDO also had hinted that it can also develop in-house Extended range version of MR-SAM and LR-SAM which will have range of 120-150km using Indian technology but is yet to confirm if it has taken up such development. Indian Air Force is yet to officially confirm if it has put forward such requirements. DRDO as per media reports is also working on XRSAM Air Defence Missile system which will have speculated range of 250km and but recently has confirmed the development of Akash NG (Next Generation) which will have a range of 50km. Indian last year also placed orders to buy Russian developed S-400 Theater Air Defence Systems which can have long range coverage up to 400kms.

idrw.org . Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-interested-in-barak-8er-says-israeli-media/ .

Why does Israel keep claiming Barak 8 is Israeli , developed by IAI alone?

 

[indiandefencefan]

Why does Israel keep claiming Barak 8 is Israeli , developed by IAI alone?

Barak 8 is a joint venture and the Israeli's refer to it as an Indo-Israeli product.

However, the Barak 8ER which the article is talking about is a purely Israeli upgrade of the Barak 8 with an Israeli booster replacing the Indian one. Hence they call the Barak 8ER as developed by IAI alone.

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Navy to finalise a raft of big ticket deals by year end
After years of delay, Indian Navy is all set to sign a deal with a South Korean defence major for building 12 minesweeping vessels at a cost of nearly Rs 35,000 crore. Controller of the Navy's Warship Production and Acquisition Vice Admiral D M Deshpande said issues between Goa Shipyard and the South Korean collaborator in the project have been sorted out and the deal should be sealed by the end of this year.
By: PTI | New Delhi | Published: April 18, 2017 6:03 PM

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• Controller of the Navy’s Warship Production and Acquisition Vice Admiral D M Deshpande said issues between Goa Shipyard and the South Korean collaborator in the project have been sorted out and the deal should be sealed by the end of this year.(Reuters)

After years of delay, Indian Navy is all set to sign a deal with a South Korean defence major for building 12 minesweeping vessels at a cost of nearly Rs 35,000 crore. Controller of the Navy’s Warship Production and Acquisition Vice Admiral D M Deshpande said issues between Goa Shipyard and the South Korean collaborator in the project have been sorted out and the deal should be sealed by the end of this year.

The Navy’s existing fleet of six Soviet-origin minesweeping ships will be decommissioned by the end of 2018. The parliamentary standing committee on defence had recently criticised the government on the issue and asked it to make efforts to fill the gap in the Navy’s capability.

Deshpande said a contract for procurement of Landing Platform Docks (LPD) will also be finalised by the end of this year. The Navy had been planning to procure four 20,000-ton LPD at a cost of around USD 2 billion.

“I can confidently say that by the end of the year, we should be able to sign the contract for the LPD,” Deshpande said at an interactive session at FICCI. Asked about the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-II) project, he said the Navy will be able to approach the Defence Ministry in the next two-three months for funds for the project as ground work on it being finalised.

“It is a big ticket item. There is a lot of positivity both from the government side as well as the Navy. May be in two-three months, we will be in a position to take up the issue with the (defence) ministry to get funds,” he said.

It will be the second indigenous aircraft carrier and will be one of the largest across the world. Deshpande also said the Navy is looking at procuring 57 aircraft. The Navy had last year rejected the naval version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.

“We are looking at 57 aircraft which we plan to induct. That is in the pipeline,” he said.

The senior Navy official said if the government strategic partnership model does not come through, then the Navy may look for buying submarines through other routes.

“We need the submarines badly,” he said.

It may be a follow-up of the deal for scorpene submarines or there may be government-to-government discussions. Six Scorpene submarines are being built under Project 75. The submarines, designed by French naval defence and energy company DCNS, are being built by Mazagon Dock Ltd in Mumbai.

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...-raft-of-big-ticket-deals-by-year-end/632682/

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Navy blames 'strategic partner' delay for scuttling fleet expansion

Under SP policy, ministry was to nominate select Indian defence companies as designated partners
Ajai Shukla | New Delhi April 19, 2017 Last Updated at 00:37 IST

The navy’s warship procurement chief admitted on Tuesday that key purchases, including the vital procurement of six new submarines, were foundering on the defence ministry’s failure to finalise a “strategic partner” (SP) policy.

Under the SP policy, the ministry was to nominate select Indian defence companies as designated partners for foreign vendors to build weapons platforms in India. Separate SPs were to be chosen in ten production areas, such as warships, submarines, aircraft, helicopters, etc.

Over the last two years, the defence ministry has overshot numerous self-imposed deadlines for announcing the SP policy. The Defence Procurement Policy of 2016 (DPP-2016) was released last year with a blank space for the chapter on SP policy. Today, Vice Admiral DM Deshpande, the navy’s Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition (CWPA) became the first senior officer to admit to the possibility that the defence ministry might fail to promulgate an SP policy at all.

Explaining the delay in contracting for six submarines to be built under Project 75-India, Deshpande linked it with the absence of an SP policy, which was needed to nominate an Indian firm to build the submarines in partnership with a foreign vendor.

“We need those submarines badly because our force levels are depleted. And in case the SP model doesn’t go ahead, for whatever reasons, then we will have to look elsewhere,” said Deshpande.
He admitted that there had been “a fair amount of progress on the SP model, but as things had changed”, the project had to be looked at afresh.

Given that firms nominated as SPs would benefit enormously from production contracts, defence ministry bureaucrats fear their choices might expose them to future allegations of bias. Deshpande outlined the navy’s alternatives for submarine production if the SP policy failed to take off. He said the navy might opt for a more advanced version of the six Scorpene submarines already being built at Mazagon Dock, Mumbai under Project 75; or a separate government-to-government contract; or a third choice entirely.

“If strategic partnership (SP) happens, we will be better off for that. But if that doesn’t happen, all these options come to the fore and we will have to take a call”, he said.

The scuppering of the SP policy, which ex-defence minister Manohar Parrikar made a key pillar of his touted “Make in India” initiative, would set back key defence procurements like Project 75-India by at least two years.

Stating the navy was preparing contingency plans, Deshpande admitted there would be “some sort of time penalties” in implementing alternatives. This is a worrying prospect for a navy that is aiming to increase its strength to 170-180 ships and 400 aircraft by 2027.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...scuttling-fleet-expansion-117041900044_1.html

 

[Adioz]

“I can confidently say that by the end of the year, we should be able to sign the contract for the LPD,”

Why would he call it an "LPD" ? The official term is MRSV. Also, even if he was using NATO conventions while referring to the MRSV, why did he not call it a LHD? I hope we get a proper LHD, not a LPD.

 

[aditya g]

MRSV is the name of fleet replenishment ship program. Not to be confused with the LPD program

Check your facts.

Why would he call it an "LPD" ? The official term is MRSV. Also, even if he was using NATO conventions while referring to the MRSV, why did he not call it a LHD? I hope we get a proper LHD, not a LPD.

 

[Adioz]

MRSV is the name of fleet replenishment ship program. Not to be confused with the LPD program

Check your facts.

I finally figured this mess out.
The Indian Navy official RFI document mentions the term LPD:-

Spoiler: Enclosed

While, a FICCI document mentions the term MRSV:-

Spoiler: Enclosed

Note that the FICCI document cited by me here is actually a compilation of papers by Indian Naval Officers for the FICCI seminar.

So it seems that the project enjoys two names, even within the Navy.

My confusion arose from the title of the relevant wikipedia page titled: "Indian Navy Multi-Role Support Vessel programme"
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[MOD Edit: PDF attached inline.]

Spoiler: PDF

[PDF]https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/tender_document/RFI_for_LPD16Feb11(1).pdf[/PDF]

 

[indiandefencefan]

Couple of good info graphics on the Indian Navy's Nomenclature

 

[indiandefencefan]

Found the full article

http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/indian-navy-ships-submarine-names-ins-chennai-4618680/

How the Navy names its ships, subs
On Monday, the Navy’s new, indigenously designed guided missile destroyer INS Chennai was dedicated to the city whose name it bears. How did the warship come to be called Chennai? On what basis does the Indian Navy give names to its vessels?

The Indian Navy formally decommissioned its aircraft carrier INS Viraat last month, after 30 years of operational service. The ship had earlier been commissioned with the Royal Navy in 1959, and was known as HMS Hermes. India now has only one aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, which was bought from Russia in 2004. In the Russian Navy, it was known as Admiral Gorshkov.

India leases nuclear submarines from Russia and calls them INS Chakra. The first indigenous nuclear submarine being made in India has been named INS Arihant, and the next one, INS Aridhaman. The conventional submarine, which has been made in India, and currently undergoing sea trials, is called INS Kalvari.

On Monday, the indigenously designed guided missile destroyer INS Chennai was formally dedicated to the city by Tamil Nadu Chief Minister K Palaniswami. Vikramaditya, Chakra, Arihant, Kalvari, Chennai. How are these names decided? Is there a methodology involved in the christening of the vessels of the Indian Navy?

(Left to right) Top row: INS Vikramaditya, INS Delhi, INS Rajput; Middle row: INS Kora, INS Kuthar, INS Beas; Bottom row: INS Shivalik, INS Talwar, INS Chakra. (Source: Indian Navy)

The United States Navy names its aircraft carriers after former Presidents. So there is the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS John F Kennedy. But there are exceptions: USS Nimitz, USS Enterprise, USS Carl Vinson, and USS John C Stennis. The US Navy’s ballistic missile submarines are named after American states, although again with a couple of exceptions. The British and the French have their own naming conventions for naval ships. As does the Indian Navy.

The selection of names of ships and submarines of the Indian Navy is done by the Internal Nomenclature Committee (INC) at the Defence Ministry. The INC is headed by the Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff (Policy & Plans), and has representatives from the historical section of the Defence Ministry, Department of Archaeology in the Ministry of Human Resource Development, and the Ministry of Surface Transport, among others. As per the policy guidelines, the recommendations of this committee are approved by the Navy Chief. Names, crests and mottos of major war vessels require the assent of the President as well.

To maintain uniformity in the names of vessels of one type, the Internal Nomenclature Committee follows certain broad parameters, which have been enumerated in the policy guidelines. So, a cruiser or a destroyer is named after a state capital, a large city, or a great king or warrior from India’s history — for example, INS Delhi, INS Kolkata, INS Mysore, INS Mumbai, INS Rana and INS Ranjit.

The frigates are named after a mountain range, a river or a weapon, but care is taken to ensure that the names of ships of the same class have the same initial letter. INS Sahaydri, INS Shivalik, INS Satpura, INS Talwar, INS Teg, INS Brahmaputra and INS Ganga fall in this category. The corvettes are named after personal arms, such as the INS Khukri, INS Kirpan and INS Khanjar, while multi-purpose patrol vessels are named after an island.

Thus, we have the INS Car Nicobar, INS Kalpani and INS Karuva. In accordance with their role, the anti-submarine warfare vessels have names with an offensive or destructive connotation, such as INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt. As submarines operate underwater, they are given either the name of a predatory fish or an abstract name associated with the ocean. The INS Arihant and INS Chakra are nuclear submarines; the conventional ones have had names from INS Sindhughosh and INS Sindhukirti to INS Shalki and INS Shankul. The policy does not differentiate between the naming of the two types of submarine.

How was INS Vikramaditya named? The Internal Nomenclature Committee received proposals for various names — Vishaant, Vishwavijayi, Vishaal, Vikraal, Vaibhav, Vishwajeet, Viddhwansh, Veerendra and Visrujant. The Shipping Ministry informed the committee that a merchant ship had already been allotted the name Vishwa-Vijay. The committee then deliberated upon the options and unanimously chose Vikramaditya, which means the Sun of Prowess, as a name that befits a large aircraft carrier. The historical division then brought out a short note on the significance of the title Vikramaditya, which had been borne by several Indian sovereigns. The name was approved by the Navy Chief and the President, and the Russian Navy’s Admiral Gorshkov became the INS Vikramaditya.

India is in the process of building its first indigenous aircraft carrier, which has been named INS Vikrant after the first aircraft carrier that the Indian Navy bought from the British in 1957. The name for the second indigenous aircraft carrier has not been decided yet. It will be named following a similar process and policy guidelines.

 

[Adioz]

Couple of good info graphics on the Indian Navy's Nomenclature

If I think about it, this hardly qualifies as a nomenclature convention. Its almost like a free-for-all. Its too vague.
BTW, I hope we see Maurya, Gupta and Chola class Ships some day

 

[indiandefencefan]

If I think about it, this hardly qualifies as a nomenclature convention. Its almost like a free-for-all. Its too vague.
BTW, I hope we see Maurya, Gupta and Chola class Ships some day

I guess it kind of has to be broad and vague to ensure we don't run out of names. The larger the Navy gets the more names we'll need so vague nomenclature might not be too bad especially considering this applies to the Merchant Navy as well as the Navy.

Even among dynasties we can't name any after Muslim dynasties because the Paki Navy utilizes names of those kings eg: PNS shah Jahan.

Fun Fact: the Pakistani Navy (or armed forces) doesn't name anything after emperor Akbar. Apparently he is too un-Islamic for their taste.
This why I think it will be so funny if we use Mughal names for something really powerful like an destroyer, AC or ICBM which they don't have so that I can then troll the Pakis on their forums about the difference between their "Shah Jahan" and the Indian "Shah Jahan".

 

[Thrishul]

If I think about it, this hardly qualifies as a nomenclature convention. Its almost like a free-for-all. Its too vague.
BTW, I hope we see Maurya, Gupta and Chola class Ships some day

Yes, the LHD/LPD class could be the Chola Class.
Raja Raja Chola I
Rajendra Chola I
Rajadhiraja Chola I
Karikala Chola
Of all the sovereigns in the Indian sub continent, these 4 had the most powerful navies.

 

[pmaitra]

@Adioz, I have attached the entire PDF inline in your post.

 

[pmaitra]

Indian Navy Official Film 2011
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Sorry for reposting if already posted earlier.

 

[Prashant12]

Maiden Firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile

Indian Navy successfully undertook the firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile from a ship today. This variant of Long Range BrahMos Missile was fired from Indian Naval Ship Teg, a Guided Missile Frigate, on a target on land. BrahMos Missile has been jointly developed by India and Russia, and its Anti Ship variant has already been inducted into Indian Navy. Majority of the frontline ships of Indian Navy, like the Kolkata, Ranvir and Teg classes of ships, are capable of firing this missile. Land Attack variant of BrahMos Missile provides Indian Naval Ships the capability to precisely neutralise selected targets deep inland, far away from coast, from stand-off ranges at sea.

This successful maiden firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile has significantly enhances the prowess of Indian Navy and has placed India into the club of select few nations.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=161197

 

[Kshatriya87]

Maiden Firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile

Indian Navy successfully undertook the firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile from a ship today. This variant of Long Range BrahMos Missile was fired from Indian Naval Ship Teg, a Guided Missile Frigate, on a target on land. BrahMos Missile has been jointly developed by India and Russia, and its Anti Ship variant has already been inducted into Indian Navy. Majority of the frontline ships of Indian Navy, like the Kolkata, Ranvir and Teg classes of ships, are capable of firing this missile. Land Attack variant of BrahMos Missile provides Indian Naval Ships the capability to precisely neutralise selected targets deep inland, far away from coast, from stand-off ranges at sea.

This successful maiden firing of BrahMos Land Attack Supersonic Cruise Missile has significantly enhances the prowess of Indian Navy and has placed India into the club of select few nations.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=161197

Awesome news. But why 400km? Why not tested at 600km?

 

[ezsasa]

Awesome news. But why 400km? Why not tested at 600km?

Just curious, where does it say 400km?

 

[Chinmoy]

Awesome news. But why 400km? Why not tested at 600km?

Because Brahmos is based on Onyx and its not Onyx.