BTW when can GOI start getting its indigenous carriers with desi resources & practically cheaper LCC??
Now is the time for CSL to aggressively deploy modular building operations & get half dozen carriers rolling till coming decade. Enough of so-called "Stop-gap" measures. Naval MRCAs are going require much sophisticated carriers so logic remains in concentrating on IAC-2 & future catapult systems.
The ship will be launched by October 2010, as per the phase I contract signed by CSL with the Defense Ministry. The phase II of the contract will end with the delivery of the ship to the Navy by the end of 2014.
But still the first-phase yet to be completed.
work on IAC-2 is schedule to start on the verge of IAC-1 completion.. we have many private ship docks without any project.. Let them give these major Refitting works.. They'll get expertise in system engineering and then when we are planning for IAC-3 let give those contract to them.. Just like give them a mock practice and provide a live project...
We know very well that nothing worked as SCHEDULED in Indigenous products.. Instead of keeping your fingers crossed, change the way of approach and direct the fingers at the enemy to warn them!!
On long term, IN has to be provided with 3 active patrolling Carrier Battle groups with 1 or 2 reserved as backup...
Actually, am not against indigenous products.. Just to speed up in strengthening the IN to rule IO.
Nothing yet in public domain. However, CSL is supposed to get 5 carriers for IN in coming decade starting with IAC-1.
IN doctrine is different from that of operational buildup Royal Navy had for 1985 to till date, same goes with Gorky. In fact no firangi carrier will ever be suitable for IN.
Buying out decommissioned AC from other country involves ample amount of compromise. For example, Gorky won't be featuring any good CIWS till 2017's 1st Indian refit. Also if to be brought in, the "inspection-to-analysis-to-Govt level proposal-to-refit-to-commission" timeframe for HMS Ark Royal will be just appreciable. Instead of putting resources in any such acquisition, in-house programs for ACs should be vigorously incorporated keeping in mind the exact requirement of IN.
Our AC program is just good for now..
Buying a Carrier from outside is expensive and it became more expensive when we try to refit it with foreign weapon..
Regarding Amphibious Assualt ships which are good and cheap platform for Air reconnaissance and surveillance on high seas..
There are two more type with US!
But again we cant use them in WAR time as per the deal..
Yes acquiring decommissioned vessels is not a bad idea but it also it has it much more demerits too. The biggest is that it is decommissioned which, if we say normally is out of use, currently incapable or a waste for any armed force. No matter how much we modernize it but the basic frame and technology will not change and also it was used in earlier times so there may be some strategical disadvantages with it.
Also we cant weaken our own indigenous projects by investing money into another heavy work. And too we must not forget the capabilities of our navy. Is it capable of operating 4-5 aircraft carriers by 2020, when the huge Russian Navy still operates only 1 AC(or maybe 2)? ok lets not compare our navy with any other`s but then there must be some logic behind acquiring any such a very 'heavy' vessel. IN is not a junkyard.
We are developing many new vessels and I appreciate that because they are entirely "brand new" for the world plus indigenous which makes it more strong that an acquired 2nd hand product.
i think we are trying to depend to much on carriers....carriers are good as power projection and pack lethal punch but they are sitting duck for missiles and there is way to much cost involved in its protection-we dont just have to buy carriers but also destroyers frigates subs for protecting it....
i would rather prefer more destroyers frigates or even cruisers which can carry more missiles and are not as costly as carriers....
i think we need to discuss whether we want destroyers frigates or carriers.....??!!
If you subscribe to the magazines run by ex servicemen like 'Salute to the Indian Soldier' (Maroof Raza is the publisher) and 'Purple Beret' (Atul Bhardwaj is the Editor) there are extensive articles about the usefulness of an aircraft carrier, some of them being written by Adm Arun Prakash.
As I see it, if you wish to target a port then an aircraft carrier would be an immense help than say a frigate or a destroyer.
Yes, But its the only way IN can show it presence in Indian ocean also the surveillance is more than any other platform..
Not necessarily, Carriers are meant for killing enemy vessels and ground target at long distances, Its impossible that any other single surface ship or a small fleet can engage a Carrier battle group..
Also mentioning abt Carrier battle group it means when u have a carrier you need destroyer corvettes and frigates because without these u don't have a proper system..
All of them:
Destroyers : ASW & CIWS cover for the carrier
Frigates: Fast Ships deigned to hunt or chase Submarines and Ships from Carrier groups..
Carrier: Command and control center of the whole system..