Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance (MRMR) Aircraft

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p2p sir...can u please tell me whats the difference between hawkeye and P8I...?? both hunt ships subs missiles....right...??
An AEW like Hawkeye is primarily used to find aircraft, surface ships and allow other aircraft to use it's radar through data links. It's like how the Phalcon is for the IAF. The Hawkeye can detect ships too. AEW stands for Airborne Early Warning. The Hawkeye carries the radar over the fuselage.

P-8 is called a MMA(Multimission Maritime Aircraft by USN) or LRMR(Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance by IN). It has a radar below the fuselage(inside the aircraft) and is rigged primarily for surface detection. For eg: It looks for periscopes using a mix of radar and also pictures. It is something the Hawkeye cannot do. More importantly, the P-8 carries anti ship and anti submarine missiles to engage both ships and submarines. Unlike Hawkeye it is armed.

and if you are going for hawkeye for shore based version then why is even US opting for P8I instead of hawkeyes...??might have saved a fortune na...??
USN is going for both aircraft. Current orders are for 117 P-8s and 75 Hawkeye E-2Ds.
 

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Govt nod for $1bn Navy plane deal

NEW DELHI: The government has finally approved the naval proposal to acquire nine advanced medium range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft, which will cost upwards of $1 billion, to ensure Indian Ocean can be guarded against both conventional and terror threats.

These MRMR planes will be in addition to the 12 long-range (LRMR) aircraft already being acquired for the Navy at a $3.1 billion price tag. After first inking the $2.1 billion contract in 2009 for eight Boeing-manufactured P-8I LRMR aircraft, which will be inducted in the 2013-2015 timeframe, the defence ministry is now finalizing the follow-on deal for four more such planes.

The MRMR project got the "acceptance of necessity'' from the Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by A K Antony, last week, sources said. Several global aviation majors, ranging from American Boeing and Lockheed Martin to Swedish SAAB, French Dassault Aviation, Brazilian Embraer and European EADS are in contention for this big contract.

The radar-packed MRMR planes, much like the LRMR ones, will be armed with deadly missiles, rockets and torpedoes for potent anti-warship and anti-submarine warfare. With an operating range of over 350 nautical miles, the multi-mission MRMR planes will be Navy's "intelligent eyes and ears'' over Indian Ocean in the medium range.

While the P-8Is, with an operating range of around 1,200 nautical miles, will patrol the outermost layer of India's three-tier maritime surveillance grid, Israeli spy drones like Heron and Searcher-II as well as Dorniers make up the innermost layer.

India is really stepping up acquisition of its naval air assets as well as warships to take care of its primary area of strategic interest stretching from Persian Gulf to Malacca Strait. The country has a vast 5,422-km coastline, 1,197 islands and 2.01 million sq km of Exclusive Economic Zone to guard against all threats.

India will spend around Rs 85,000 crore just on naval aviation over the next few years, sources said. This includes already-inked contracts for around Rs 28,000 crore, with another 16 to 17 firm proposals worth about Rs 18,000 crore in the pipeline.

This includes the ongoing induction of 45 MiG-29K fighters, contracted from Russia for about $2 billion, which will operate from both the refurbished 44,570-tonne INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkov) and the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier being constructed at Kochi.

Then, American Sikorsky S70B and European NH-90 choppers are currently battling it out after field trials to grab the over Rs 2,000 crore initial contract for 16 multi-role helicopters. The Navy, in fact, is looking to induct 90 such helicopters, with both combat and search-and-rescue capabilities, to replace its older Sea King helicopters.

Govt nod for $1bn Navy plane deal - The Times of India
 

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Dassault offers Falcon 900 for maritime patrol




Business jet derivative promoted as low-cost alternative to larger aircraft

Dassault has provided more details on its planned Falcon 900 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA), being promoted to India and other potential export customers as a low-cost alternative to larger aircraft such as Boeing's 737-based P-8A Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft and surplus Lockheed Martin P-3 Orions.


A derivative of the Falcon 900DX business jet, the proposed MPA would be equipped with the Thales Amascos mission system, comprising an Ocean Master maritime search radar, retractable forward-looking infrared sensor, tactical datalink and satellite communications suite. The aircraft's crew of seven would include two pilots, three mission system operators and two observers, with suggested missions including anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare, plus search-and-rescue, target acquisition and intelligence gathering.

The aircraft will also be equipped with underwing pylons for the possible carriage of weapons and carry electronic countermeasures for self-protection.

Dassault has launched a promotion campaign aiming the Falcon 900 at maritime patrol applications following the termination of its proposed development of an ATL3 version of the Atlantique MPA. The military derivative will retain the 900DX's Dassault-developed EASy glass cockpit and have an on-station endurance of around 3h when operating 2,200km (1,200nm) from its land base, the company says.

Further special-mission variants of the Falcon 900 could be pursued given sufficient customer interest, says Dassault vice-president for international relations Yves Robins.

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its a good news i hope their posting is done with all things in mind and eastern sector is not ignored as it is nower days even after good intel input that eastern sector is as prone to terror strike as western sector and chinese are present there
 

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Govt nod for $1bn 9 maritime patrol aircraft Navy plane deal | idrw.org
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Govt nod for $1bn 9 maritime patrol aircraft Navy plane deal
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The government has finally approved the naval proposal to acquire nine advanced medium range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft, which will cost upwards of $1 billion, to ensure Indian Ocean can be guarded against both conventional and terror threats.
These MRMR planes will be in addition to the 12 long-range (LRMR) aircraft already being acquired for the Navy at a $3.1 billion price tag.
After first inking the $2.1 billion contract in 2009 for eight Boein manufactured P-8I LRMR aircraft, which will be inducted in the 2013-2015 timeframe, the defence ministry is now finalizing the follow-on deal for four more such planes.
The MRMR project got the "acceptance of necessity" from the Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by A K Antony, last week, sources said. Several global aviation majors, ranging from American Boeing and Lockheed Martin to Swedish SAAB, French Dassault Aviation, Brazilian Embraer and European EADS are in contention for this big contract.
The radar-packed MRMR planes, much like the LRMR ones, will be armed with deadly missiles, rockets and torpedoes for potent anti-warship and anti-submarine warfare. With an operating range of over 350 nautical miles, the multi- mission MRMR planes will be Navy's "intelligent eyes and ears" over Indian Ocean in the medium range.
While the P-8Is, with an operating range of around 1,200 nautical miles, will patrol the outermost layer of India's three-tier maritime surveillance grid, Israeli spy drones like Heron and Searcher-II as well as Dorniers make up the innermost layer.
India is really stepping up acquisition of its naval air assets as well as warships to take care of its primary area of strategic interest stretching from Persian Gulf to Malacca Strait. The country has a vast 5,422-km coastline, 1,197 islands and 2.01 million sq km of Exclusive Economic Zone to guard against all threats. India will spend around Rs 85,000 crore just on naval aviation over the next few years, sources said. This includes already-inked contracts for around Rs 28,000 crore, with another 16 to 17 firm proposals worth about Rs 18,000 crore in the pipeline.
This includes the ongoing induction of 45 MiG-29K fighters, contracted from Russia for about $2 billion, which will operate from both the refurbished 44,570-tonne INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkov) and the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier being constructed at Kochi.
Then, American Sikorsky S70B and European NH-90 choppers are currently battling it out after field trials to grab the over Rs 2,000 crore initial contract for 16 multi-role helicopters. The Navy, in fact, is looking to induct 90 such helicopters, with both combat and search-and-rescue capabilities, to replace its older Sea King helicopters.
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Aircraft Manufacturers and Makes
Boeing: Boeing P-8 (Turbofan)
Airbus: Airbus A-319 (Turbofan)
Embraer: 145 MP (Turbofan)
Dassault: Falcon 900 MPA (Turbofan)
Saab: Saab 2000 (Turboprop)
ATR: ATR 72 (Turboprop)
Bombardier: Q400 (Turboprop)
Casa: C-295 (Turboprop) Lockheed Martin: C-130 [Interestingly, the RFI had required the aircraft to be a twin engine aircraft.
The four turboprop engines of the Hercules may be considered to merely exceed requirements. And the same goes for the Dassault Falcon's three engines.]
 

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India will spend around Rs 85,000 crore just on naval aviation over the next few years, sources said. This includes already-inked contracts for around Rs 28,000 crore, with another 16 to 17 firm proposals worth about Rs 18,000 crore in the pipeline.

Govt nod for $1bn Navy plane deal - The Times of India
Not bad. That would leave Rs 40000 Crores ($8 Billion) for the Naval MRCA tender.
 

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I just feel this 1 billion is a waste of money, we dont need an MRMR air craft for close patrol, we just need to move the P-8I to the inner layers for coastal patrol, its not our business to waste so much jet fuel and survey the Indian Ocean, we need to just keep the costs guarded.

For outer range surveillance they can use the GAGAN type satellites for monitoring.
 

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There are several other options,other than a Boeing or Airbus wide-bodied jetmwhich would work out cheaper.The problem with the jets is that most of ASW work is done at lower alts. and slower speed.Operating under these parameters puts a strain upon the airframe of aitrcraft meant to fly at higher cruising alts.,extra fuel burn,plus ASW torpedoes have to have special wing kits attached when dropped from hgher alts.This is why the USN's P-8s do not have a MAD tailboom,though specified for IN aircraft,as they have to fly low and slow.SAAB and Enbrarer are the most likely front runners here.
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India approves 9 maritime patrol aircraft buy

The Defense Acquisitions Council of the Ministry of Defense has accepted the necessity for procuring nine Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft for the Indian Navy. The Acceptance of Necessity (AON) this week came after the evaluation of data provided by vendors in response to the Request for Information (RFI) issued almost exactly a year back.

Interestingly, while earlier the perceived requirement was for six aircraft, this has now been upped by three, with an option for additional aircraft, the number of which is yet to be carved in stone.

The RFI had been sent to aircraft manufacturers that included Saab, Boeing, Airbus, ATR, Casa, Embraer, Bombardier, Dassault and Lockheed Martin. It is understood that the navy has taken a decision on the aircraft manufacturers to be issued the Request for Proposal (RFP) and be invited to bid.


The value of the order is estimated to be in the range of USD 1 billion.


Boeing: Boeing P-8 (Turbofan)

Airbus: Airbus A-319 (Turbofan)

Embraer: 145 MP (Turbofan)

Dassault: Falcon 900 MPA (Turbofan)

Saab: Saab 2000 (Turboprop)

ATR: ATR 72 (Turboprop)

Bombardier: Q400 (Turboprop)

Casa: C-295 (Turboprop)

Lockheed Martin: C-130 [Interestingly, the RFI had required the aircraft to be a twin engine aircraft. The four turboprop engines of the Hercules may be considered to merely exceed requirements. And the same goes for the Dassault Falcon's three engines.]

India approves 9 maritime patrol aircraft buy | StratPost
 

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Why India should choose Embraer 145MP? The Same aircraft with Air Force doesn't solve logistic problem (can keep the maintenance cost down)? Juz my opinion. :)
 

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Lockheed Martin's Sea Hercules unveiled


Lockheed Martin has responded with the Sea Hercules to the Indian Navy's Request for Information (RFI) for Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft, as first reported by StratPost.





US defense and aviation giant Lockheed Martin unveiled the maritime version of its successful C-130 Hercules medium airlifter at the Singapore Air Show in February 2012. Vice President of Business Development, George Standridge, pointed to a tiny inset image in a slide during a presentation made at the show, calling it the 'Sea Herc'.

"You take the well–proven airframe and program that the C-130J brings and you essentially import the capabilities of the P-3 mission systems that's flying internationally and you end up with the Sea Hercules," he said.

Lockheed Martin has responded with the Sea Hercules to the Indian Navy's Request for Information (RFI) for Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft, as first reported by StratPost.

Standridge went on, "And the beauty of this type of airplane – it's a four-engine turbo-prop – it means time on station, it means the ability to prosecute targets and potential threats as well as shipping across a broad spectrum of any type of ocean mass. We're spending a lot of time talking with new potential customers now in an effort to be responsive to that market as they look at the continued emphasis on maritime patrol surveillance as well as Anti Submarine Warfare."

StratPost dug a little deeper, asking about the genesis of the new variant and elicited an emailed response from Lockheed Martin about the configuration. The company says it has already built a 'maritime configuration for the C-130 that the US Coast Guard currently operates'.

"We are expanding the Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance (MPRA) capability at the request of several international customers to include full Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW). The Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion MPRA operated by the US Navy and twenty domestic and international operators provides the modern mission system and sensors which can be palletized and transferred to the SC-130J Sea Herc. The C-130J operates in many different configurations in addition to its primary role as a combat delivery vehicle. Adding full ASW capability to the C-130J is a logical response to meet an international demand for a long range, long time on station, turbo prop multi-role aircraft," said the company.

The aircraft isn't a mere concept, says the company. "With the exception of some test and development required for the full ASW configuration, the majority of SC-130J capability has been developed and is currently in operation. LM has developed many operational mission configurations for the C-130 based on customer requests. LM has considered the development of full ASW for the C-130J over the last ten years, but recent customer demand has moved this past the concept stage into development and test."




Lockheed Martin says that 'Not counting the systems brought in for Maritime Patrol and ASW and production and after production mods, there is no difference between a SC-130J Sea Herc and C-130J Super Hercules'.
So what does make it different? "The ASW capabilities of the P-3 Orion including torpedoes, forward firing weapons and sonobuoy delivery have been incorporated into the SC-130J in-addition to the mission system and sensors," says the company, also pointing out, "In-addition, the C-130J has a 60,000 flt hour rated center wing box providing the ideal ruggedness required to meet the turbulence often encountered in low altitude operations."

This does not mean the Sea Hercules will necessarily amount to the Orion's systems onboard a Super Hercules. "The capability of the Sea Herc including ISR/ASW systems can be determined by the customer. While we are utilizing the latest P-3 mission system and software as a constant, the customer can tailor the sensors they desire to meet their operational needs," says Lockheed Martin.

But the Sea Hercules will bring the advantage of variable configuration over the P-3 Orion.

The major difference in capability between the two aircraft is the P-3 Orion is a dedicated MPRA. The SC-130J Sea Herc with its palletized mission system can be used as a dedicated MPRA but offers the option of easily removing the palletized mission system providing combat delivery capability.

"The ability to change from one mission configurations to another is not offered in the P-3, not to mention the economies gained in a single TMS airframe," says the company.

Lockheed Martin thinks the four turbo-prop engines of the platform make the aircraft a strong candidate for the Indian Navy. "The Sea Herc is designed to be a scalable MRMR MPRA adaptable to IN requirements. On station time is a critical component in the MPRA mission area and something the Sea Herc excels at when compared to a twin engine alternative. Payload capability, the ability to carry everything you need to execute the mission is another consideration when determining the right MPRA," they say.

With the Indian Air Force (IAF) already inducting C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, Lockheed Martin thinks the Sea Hercules would be a good fit for the Indian Navy, saying, "Once again, staying with a similar TMS which is operated by the IAF may be a consideration offering a potential sustainment economy."

The company rolled off it's 2,400th C-130 in 2011 and currently has 319 orders, of which they've delivered around 250.


Lockheed Martin's Sea Hercules unveiled | StratPost
 

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