Indian Army Armored Vehicles

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Critical Tasks

Certain tasks must be accomplished during a zone recon unless specifically directed otherwise by the
commander. Based on time and the commander's intent, the commander may direct the recon towards
specific information only. The critical tasks are:
"¢ Reconnoiter all terrain within the zone for contamination.
"¢ Locate all previously reported NBC attack areas and determine if there is still a hazard.
"¢ Locate all possible contamination within the zone.
"¢ Check all water sources for contamination.
"¢ Locate all commercial chemical, pharmaceutical, medical, or nuclear facilities.
"¢ Report all information.
"¢ Mark contaminated areas.
"¢ Locate routes to by-pass contamination.

http://library.enlisted.info/field-manuals/series-3/FM3-10~1/CHAP1.PDF

Can above critical tasks be carried out without use of Engineers tools and equipment...... I do not know why prodders have become of a problem for this guy.

The list of tasks you cite says nothing nothing about mines. The poles on the NBC recon vehicle remain to be used to plant flags to mark contaminated areas; in no way are they "prodders".

Look at the thread about Russian bombers to be made in China, where I posted an incorrect photo. When another member posted the correct photo, I acknowledged it and added the words "My mistake." Anyone can make an error; most people will admit it. Try it sometime.

 

[Bhadra]

The list of tasks you cite says nothing nothing about mines. The poles on the NBC recon vehicle remain to be used to plant flags to mark contaminated areas; in no way are they "prodders".


Look at the thread about Russian bombers to be made in China, where I posted an incorrect photo. When another member posted the correct photo, I acknowledged it and added the words "My mistake." Anyone can make an error; most people will admit it. Try it sometime.

How does one bypass contaminated area? Simply by driving over it?

Tell me which ground recce and demarcation task engineers perform without prodders even if you may be right that those are markers !!

 

[Bhadra]

These do look like prodders ! or markers !

 

[W.G.Ewald]

^^

These do look like prodders ! or markers !

prodder - definition of prodder by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

The photo shows marker poles mounted in a container from which they can be deployed from within the vehicle. After deployment, I believe, a warning flag unfurls from the top of the pole. They are deployed when personnel inside the vehicle detect chemical or nuclear contamination using sensors with which the vehicle is also equipped. No prodding is involved. As for a scenario where an area is mined and contaminated, a prudent commander would by-pass it entirely. The idea of occupants of the vehicle jumping out and poking around for mines is just bizarre.

 

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"The NBC recce vehicle, based on a BMP-IIK chassis for cross-country capability, is fitted with nuclear, chemical, meteorological and positional sensors for monitoring contaminated areas,'' said a DRDO official.

The vehicle, with adequate shielding for the crew, will be used to monitor and demarcate areas contaminated with NBC agents, collect and store samples and transmit data to the command control centre.

NBC equipment already developed by DRDO includes as many as 60 products, which have been handed over to either the ordnance factories or the private sector for bulk production.

These include nerve agent detectors, dosimeters, portable gas chromatographs, auto-injectors, first-aid kits, antidotes, NBC respiratory masks and suits, roentgenometers, NBC filters, decontamination kits and NBC reconnaissance vehicles, among others.

India, incidentally, is also now launching a futuristic programme to develop sophisticated NBC defence technologies, which will include unmanned aerial and ground vehicles fitted with NBC detection sensors.

Other key areas include nanotechnology-based biosensors, laser-based detection for chemical clouds, self-contained inflatable NBC shelters and a `model' hospital to handle NBC victims.

Army inducts DRDO-developed NBC recce vehicle - Times Of India

 

[Ray]

This is a an interesting pamphlet to read

NBC Reconnaissance

http://tsg3.us/tnsg_lib/unit_dig_lib/fm3_19.pdf

 

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India’s first NBC recce vehicle launched in Pune - Mumbai - DNA

India's first wholly indigenous NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) reconnaissance (recce) vehicledesigned, developed and manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was handed over to the Indian Army in Pune on Tuesday.

The recce vehicle costs Rs6.5 crore compared to an equivalent international price of Rs20 crore.

In a function held at the Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) on Tuesday, W Selvamurthy, chief controller, research and development (life sciences), DRDO handed over four such vehicles to Lt Gen MC Badhani, engineer-in-chief, Indian Army.

With these, the first Limited Series Production order of eight NBC recce vehicles have been handed over to the army. It has placed an order for 16 more with the DRDO, which they are confident of delivering by 2013.

The NBC recce vehicles, which have been fitted with hi-tech sensors, are able to monitor radiologically and chemically contaminated areas.

 

[Ray]

Techniques
General types of NBC recon techniques include search, survey, and surveillance. Search techniques are used during route, area, and zone recon missions to find contaminated areas. Survey techniques are used during NBC surveys to define the boundaries of contaminated areas. All search and survey techniques require applied judgment based on METT-T. Terrain and the enemy will dictate which technique to use and the level of detail possible. Surveillance techniques are used to observe a specific area for indications of an NBC attack. More than one technique may be executed during a single mission.

Search
There are three search techniques that can be employed during recon operations to locate contaminated areas. They are the zig-zag, lane, and cloverleaf. Each technique can be performed mounted or dismounted.

Zig-Zag
This technique is useful for locating contaminated areas during route, zone, or area recon missions. The recon element begins its search at the deployment (start) line, maintaining 200 meter intervals between vehicles. Each vehicle moves forward along a line oriented 45 degrees from the start line. The vehicle crews monitor identification equipment for indications of contamination. After the vehicle has moved 500 meters along the first zig, the vehicle turns 90 degrees and zags (see Figure 8-1).

After traveling 500 meters, the vehicle turns 90 degrees for a second zig. This process of zigging and zagging is repeated until the recon element has reached its limit of advance (LOA). If the entire mission area has been searched, the recon element reports negative contamination detected. If the recon element did not search the entire mission area, the element begins a new sweep of the mission area. This process is repeated until contamination is detected or the complete mission area is searched (see Figure 8-2).

FM 3-19 Chptr 8 Techniques

 

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Defexpo India 2012 international defence exhibition

 

[W.G.Ewald]

This is a an interesting pamphlet to read

NBC Reconnaissance

http://tsg3.us/tnsg_lib/unit_dig_lib/fm3_19.pdf

Familiar with that publication, Sir. Before its publication we used to go over to Camp Lejeune from the Army Chemical School at Fort Bragg to train Marines.

 

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INDIGENOUSLY DEVELOPED COMBAT ENGINEERING EQUIPMENT ENTERS SERVICE WITH INDIAN ARMY

A number of indigenously developed engineering equipment are currently in service with the Corps of Engineers of the Indian Army. A number of new combat engineering equipment newly developed by DRDO are on the verge of entering into service, further reducing the dependence of the Army on cost prohibitive imported equipment.

Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (VRDE), Ahmednagar one of the premier laboratories of DRDO, have developed a range of combat engineering equipment which include the Armoured Engineering Reconnaissance Vehicle (AERV), Armoured Amphibious Dozer (AAD) and the NBC Reconnaissance Vehicle. The AERV and AAD are designed to provide engineering support in both offensive and defensive operations in plains, desert and reverine terrain. The AERV is designed to carry out terrestrial and riverbed survey to facilitate construction of assault bridges across water obstacles. The AAD is capable of providing integral engineering support to battle groups in offensive operations for construction of assault bridges and for construction of tracks, there by improving the mobility of advancing armoured columns. The NBC Reconnaissance vehicle is designed to diagnose the existence of life endangering nuclear, biological and chemical contaminants in the atmosphere during NBC warfare and cordon off such areas.

All of these equipment are based on tracked BMP 2 amphibious Infantry Combat Vehicle, which allows it to operate on land and on water bodies. The onboard equipment in each of these vehicles can be operated by the crew in hatch down condition from within the confines of the armour-protected vehicles.

Ordnance Factory at Medak has been entrusted with the responsibility of production of these vehicles in collaboration with Bharat Electronics Limited, Pune. The AERVs are already under limited series production and have entered service with the Corps of Engineers recently. New first off production vehicles in the category of AAD and NBC Recce Vehicle have been realized and a demonstration of capabilities of these vehicles to the Users is planned at VRDE, Ahmednagar, on 03 March 2008, in the presence of visiting Engineer- in � Chief, Lt Gen RR Goswami.� Flagging off of new serials of AERV to be handed over to the Army is also planned on this occasion.

 

[Ray]

NBC Reconnaissance Techniques

http://library.enlisted.info/field-manuals/series-3/FM3-10~1/CHAP5.PDF

 

[Bhadra]

^^


prodder - definition of prodder by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

The photo shows marker poles mounted in a container from which they can be deployed from within the vehicle. After deployment, I believe, a warning flag unfurls from the top of the pole. They are deployed when personnel inside the vehicle detect chemical or nuclear contamination using sensors with which the vehicle is also equipped. No prodding is involved. As for a scenario where an area is mined and contaminated, a prudent commander would by-pass it entirely. The idea of occupants of the vehicle jumping out and poking around for mines is just bizarre.

I may accept your answer for one condition as rational but not for the other. No minefield can be bypassed if the minefield is laid in front of a linear obstacle or to cover a circular type object like a town. If the object itself is the Linear Obstacle how can minefield be bypassed.

The NBC recce party has to come out of the vehicle at some point of the time not that they remain sitting tight inside the BMP all the time. Even markers would not be automatically deployed.

 

[Ray]

NBC: Monitoring, Survey, and Reconnaissance
Planning, Conducting, Recording, and Reporting

FM 3-3-1 Chptr 5 Monitoring, Survey, and Reconnaissance

 

[Ray]

Direct Monitoring

Direct monitoring is the simplest and most precise of the monitoring techniques. A radiacmeter is used to get an unshielded dose rate. Determine the unshielded (outside) dose rate by standing with the IM174 or AN/VDR2 held waist high, or 1 meter off the ground, and rotating your body 360 degrees. The highest reading observed is recorded as the dose rate. Take this reading in the open at least 10 meters away from buildings or other large structures or objects that may shield out a portion of the radiation. In cities or built-up areas, take readings in the center of the streets or at street intersections. If there are points of operational interest where you cannot get 10 meters away from interference, take additional readings. Thus, if a road through a narrow cut or defile is of operational interest, take readings both in the open near the cut and in the cut.

FM 3-3-1 Chptr 5 Monitoring, Survey, and Reconnaissance

 

[Ray]

Familiar with that publication, Sir. Before its publication we used to go over to Camp Lejeune from the Army Chemical School at Fort Bragg to train Marines.

I reckon that it will be what the concept here will be based upon.

After all, who wants to re-invent the wheel?

 

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I may accept your answer for one condition as rational but not for the other. No minefield can be bypassed if the minefield is laid in front of a linear obstacle or to cover a circular type object like a town. If the object itself is the Linear Obstacle how can minefield be bypassed.

Warsaw Pact doctrine in Europe was to bypass points of strong NATO resistance, so there is a precedent. Your putting chem contamination on top of a minefield is an interesting hypothetical problem, but commanders don't put soldiers' lives at risk for no good reason.

The NBC recce party has to come out of the vehicle at some point of the time not that they remain sitting tight inside the BMP all the time. Even markers would not be automatically deployed.

Not in the US Army for an NBC recon mission. Not the doctrine, not the reason the equipment was developed. Russian and US NBC recon vehicles deploy contamination markers by controls inside the vehicle. Why do you want Indian soldiers not to have protection?

What is your military specialty and rank, if I may ask?

 

[Ray]

I may accept your answer for one condition as rational but not for the other. No minefield can be bypassed if the minefield is laid in front of a linear obstacle or to cover a circular type object like a town. If the object itself is the Linear Obstacle how can minefield be bypassed.

The NBC recce party has to come out of the vehicle at some point of the time not that they remain sitting tight inside the BMP all the time. Even markers would not be automatically deployed.

Marking Procedures

Marking warns friendly troops of contamination. Therefore, the signs are placed where they most likely will be encountered by friendly units. In rear areas the entire circumference of the hazard area may need to be marked. Individuals who find the contamination place the signs. They are placed where the contamination is detected. Adjacent signs should be within sight of each other (25 to 100 meters apart depending on terrain). This prevents units from missing the signs and entering a contaminated area. Recon elements mark the area at the point of entry. Unit survey teams are then responsible for determining and marking the extent of the contamination.

Some areas may contain more than one type of contamination or hazard. Mark these areas with the appropriate signs placed near each other. For example, if an area is both chemically and radiologically contaminated, both signs are used and placed near each other.

For rear areas in, around, and behind the division support area (DSA), and while in open terrain (desert, plains, rolling hills, etc.), it is possible to raise these contamination markers on poles. The poles may be camouflage support poles, extra tent poles, or any other such material. The intent is to raise the contamination marker up high enough so it can be seen for at least 200 meters. This is done so that follow-on forces and support troops can be aware of the hazard.

In these rear areas, clear areas or lanes also maybe marked for easy identification. One method of marking this lane is using the NBC contamination bypass marker depicted in figures 5-21 and 5-22.

 

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Fox M93A1 Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Reconnaissance System (NBCRS)

The mission of the lightly-armored, wheeled NBCRS is to detect, identify, mark, sample, and report chemical and radiological contamination on the battlefield. The three-man NBCRS crew accomplishes these missions by using a sophisticated suite of nuclear and chemical alarms and detectors that have been integrated within the vehicle chassis. The on-board M21 Remote Sensing Chemical Agent Alarm allows the crew to detect chemical agent clouds as far as 5 kilometers away. The crew can perform chemical and radiological reconnaissance operations while operating in a shirt-sleeve environment inside the NBCRS vehicle, even while the vehicle is operating in a contaminated area. During normal vehicle operations, there is no need for the crew to wear chemical protective gear or masks.

Units and soldiers must be aware of NBC hazards within their area of concern. Both the presence and absence of NBC hazards is of interest. When NBC hazards are located, they must be marked on a near-real time basis. This allows units to avoid the hazard, or to protect themselves in order to minimize casualties if they cannot avoid it. Commanders must also be made aware of the absence of NBC hazards in their areas of immediate operational concern. This allows them to lower their protective posture and minimize degradation. Samples of unidentified contaminants must be collected and evacuated for laboratory analysis in order to maintain a current understanding of enemy capabilities and their impact.

The NBCRS detects and identifies nuclear and chemical contamination. It warns units of NBC contamination, reports the location of NBC hazards, marks areas of contamination, locates and marks clean bypass routes, and collects and transports samples of NBC materiel for later analysis.

 

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