F-INSAS Futuristic Infantry Soldier As a System

[tomthounaojam]

is there an actual picture of the gun yet?

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

is there an actual picture of the gun yet?

Picture already posted in this thread. Post No #417

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No pictures yet shown of the final product ..

 

[tomthounaojam]

No pictures yet shown of the final product ..

It is still speculative aren't she, damn my gif doesn't work here, btw the sharp shooter concept is duable right? just some upgrade.

 

[Shaitan]

@Twinblade

Can you share the full pic?

The detachable UBGL is obviously a modified ARDE UGBL .

 

[Twinblade]

@Twinblade

Can you share the full pic?

Not much of a help

 

[Shaitan]

Not much of a help

Oh, yeah. That old thing. Thank you my son.

 

[sasi]

ARDE designs multiple-calibre rifle, begins prototyping | Sakal Times
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old news.

 

[delta]

i have a few questions on Multi caliber rifles:

how do they work?

do they hold magazines for all three calibers at the same time, with a selector switch to choose the round? or does the soldier have to change the magazine everytime he needs to change caliber?

how does one single barrel suffice for different diameters? infact, the other working parts of the rifle will also need to cater to the different sizes of the rounds. how will this happen?

won't maintenance of such rifles be a bitch? not to mention the risks of jamming and damage?

 

[sayareakd]

i have a few questions on Multi caliber rifles:

how do they work?

do they hold magazines for all three calibers at the same time, with a selector switch to choose the round? or does the soldier have to change the magazine everytime he needs to change caliber?

how does one single barrel suffice for different diameters? infact, the other working parts of the rifle will also need to cater to the different sizes of the rounds. how will this happen?

won't maintenance of such rifles be a bitch? not to mention the risks of jamming and damage?

we dont know how they have worked out the problem but here is what other has done.

 

[arnabmit]

i have a few questions on Multi caliber rifles:

how do they work?

do they hold magazines for all three calibers at the same time, with a selector switch to choose the round? or does the soldier have to change the magazine everytime he needs to change caliber?

how does one single barrel suffice for different diameters? infact, the other working parts of the rifle will also need to cater to the different sizes of the rounds. how will this happen?

won't maintenance of such rifles be a bitch? not to mention the risks of jamming and damage?

For an AR-15 kind of gun, the lower receiver (trigger group, selector, hammer) is considered as the actual gun and the upper receiver (barrel, gas piston, bolt) as an attachment.

A multi-caliber concept is that different uppers for different ammo and different barrel length can be fitted to the same lower receiver to make them multi-caliber. The change should be simple enough that it can be done on the field with a conversion kit in a few seconds.

For a ARX-160 kind of gun, instead of the entire upper receiver (like in AR-15 platform), just 2 components needs to be changed.

1) The barrel (for different ammunition diameters - 5.56mm, 6.8mm, 7.65mm etc. and different barrel length eg. 8" for CQB, 12" for infantry, 16" for DMR) and 2) gas piston (bullets of different calibers have different barrel pressure), combined in a single unit

The magazine well uses an internal spring loaded system which allows different mag sizes of different caliber rounds to be attached in the same mag well.

For such designs (ARX-160), it uses an universal bolt where all barrel diameters center on the bolt head. That is why such guns can never fire rim-fire cartridges, but only center-fire cartridges.

 

[delta]

For an AR-15 kind of gun, the lower receiver (trigger group, selector, hammer) is considered as the actual gun and the upper receiver (barrel, gas piston, bolt) as an attachment.

A multi-caliber concept is that different uppers for different ammo and different barrel length can be fitted to the same lower receiver to make them multi-caliber. The change should be simple enough that it can be done on the field with a conversion kit in a few seconds.

For a ARX-160 kind of gun, instead of the entire upper receiver (like in AR-15 platform), just 2 components needs to be changed.

1) The barrel (for different ammunition diameters - 5.56mm, 6.8mm, 7.65mm etc. and different barrel length eg. 8" for CQB, 12" for infantry, 16" for DMR) and 2) gas piston (bullets of different calibers have different barrel pressure), combined in a single unit

The magazine well uses an internal spring loaded system which allows different mag sizes of different caliber rounds to be attached in the same mag well.

For such designs (ARX-160), it uses an universal bolt where all barrel diameters center on the bolt head. That is why such guns can never fire rim-fire cartridges, but only center-fire cartridges.

thanks for that info. from the looks of it, my guess is that soldiers will be using different configurations of the weapon for different missions (as per the requirement), without the option of being able to change the caliber in the middle of the operation. otherwise the load may become too bulky for the soldier to carry.

can somebody explain the benefits of using a multicaliber rifle (apart from mission flexibility) and how they weigh against the possible downsides?

 

[arnabmit]

Commonality of parts is a huge advantage in terms of supply chain. The armoury would not have to stock different parts of different guns which serve the same purpose.

Eg. Instead of stocking different trigger groups of AK, Insas, PDW/CQB etc., a single type of trigger group would suffice as the MCWS is basically the same gun adapted for use in different roles.

thanks for that info. from the looks of it, my guess is that soldiers will be using different configurations of the weapon for different missions (as per the requirement), without the option of being able to change the caliber in the middle of the operation. otherwise the load may become too bulky for the soldier to carry.

can somebody explain the benefits of using a multicaliber rifle (apart from mission flexibility) and how they weigh against the possible downsides?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

MultiCal reduce logestics, there will be only two caliber one is 5.56mm another is 7.62M43 ..

As of now there are two rifle used in CT ops ( INSAS 1B1 & AKM ) when multi-cal introduce there will be one Rifle ..

The change of barrel done at Unit armory not by Individual Soldier ..

 

[sayareakd]

MultiCal reduce logestics, there will be only two caliber one is 5.56mm another is 7.62M43 ..

As of now there are two rifle used in CT ops ( INSAS 1B1 & AKM ) when multi-cal introduce there will be one Rifle ..

The change of barrel done at Unit armory not by Individual Soldier ..

Sir third caliber is 6.2 or 6.8 so their are three option to chose from.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its 6.8mm probably , Army requirement is 5.56mm and 7.62M43 though new rounds will go first to SF for extensive field tests ..

If passed may Army brass think about replacing both rounds with one ..

Sir third caliber is 6.2 or 6.8 so their are three option to chose from.

 

[ghost]

i wish indian army to look at something like this for F-insas helmet and not to go for simple ballistic helmet with communication gear

The US Army is currently testing this awesome new helmet dubbed "Helmet Electronics and Display System-Upgradeable Protection," also known as HEaDS-UP. It was made by Revision, a company well known for making military protection gear.

Revision claims the HEaDS-UP to be more protective than current soldier helmets as it provides 9mm protection "and better eye, face and hearing protection." It also has an innovative Heads Up Display powered by an Android phone. Even though, the company hasn't detailed what kind of facilities this Android integration on the helmet is able to provide for its' wearer, it will make things easier for soldiers to contact each other and find valuable information quicker than ever.

video of this helmet http://kitup.military.com/2013/10/video-revision-displays-gen-modular.html

[Source: Kinja / KitUP ]

 

[Iceman2012]

First lets get the ballistic helmets with the comm gear and then try to get something this futuristic. This will enable to equip more units quickly and well cheaply

 

[ghost]

First lets get the ballistic helmets with the comm gear and then try to get something this futuristic. This will enable to equip more units quickly and well cheaply

F INSAS means "Futuristic" Infantry Soldier As a System not "current" infantry soldier as a system .futher if we equip our soldier with ballistic helmet then after 10 to 15 years there would be need to upgrade so why not get something like this which would work for next 25 to 30year with no need to upgrade hence more economical .and in regard to equipping very quickly i do not see any reason why such helmet would take more time to equip infantry.Why is it when regarding rafale ,aircraft carrier no need to be cheap but when it comes to foot soldier better comfort,protection and enhance ability we want everything "cheaply" .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Right said, But one have to upgrade itself with time which is not so much with top brass and hence interfere of lobbies with middle man to complete the tasks and corruption ..

F INSAS means "Futuristic" Infantry Soldier As a System not "current" infantry soldier as a system ..