Most importantly he had turned anti-Saudi and anti-AQ.
Most importantly he had turned anti-Saudi and anti-AQ.
Gadaffi never paid attention to people , never looked them eye to eye probably to try and intimidate them.
Gadaffi indeed was never pro-India but then his aim was to become a African, Arab, and Islamic leader.
He was very warm with Pakistan during the Bhutto era, but he was downright rude with Nawaz Sharif who Gadaffi called a 'corrupt politician' when Sharif went to Libya. The miffed Sharif returned immediately to Pakistan and expelled the Libyan Ambassador!
That is true that Islam meant a lot to him.
Bodies of Gaddafi supporters 'found executed' in Sirte
The bodies of 53 Gaddafi loyalists have been found at a hotel in the Libyan city of Sirte after apparently being executed, a human rights group says.
Human Rights Watch (HRW) said the victims - some of whom had their hands bound - died about a week ago.
It is the latest accusation of atrocities in Libya committed by both sides during the eight-month conflict.
Libya's new rulers have denied any involvement in abuses and have urged Libyans to forego reprisal attacks.
The discovery comes a day after jubilant crowds across the country took to the streets as the interim government declared national liberation, three days after the death of Muammar Gaddafi.
The National Transitional Council (NTC) has come under pressure to investigate how the former leader died, following accusations he had been executed by NTC troops after his capture in Sirte.
His body is in a cold storage facility in Misrata, which is open for public viewing.
The bodies were found on Sunday on the lawn of the abandoned Hotel Mahari in Sirte, which saw heavy fighting last week as NTC forces battled for control of the city.
"Some had their hands bound behind their backs when they were shot," Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.
"This requires the immediate attention of the Libyan authorities to investigate what happened and hold accountable those responsible."
It is not clear who carried out the killings.
HRW said they believed the hotel had been in the hands of anti-Gaddafi forces from Misrata before the killings, and it remained in their control until the fighting in Sirte stopped on 20 October.
On the entrance and walls of the hotel were the names of several anti-Gaddafi brigades from Misrata, HRW added.
"The evidence suggests that some of the victims were shot while being held as prisoners, when that part of Sirte was controlled by anti-Gaddafi brigades who appear to act outside the control of the NTC," Mr Bouckaert said.
Many of the victims suffered bullet wounds to the head, according to an AFP reporter who saw them.
Human Rights Watch also said the remains of 95 people had been found at the site where Gaddafi was captured. They appeared to have died that same day.
HRW, Amnesty International and other rights groups regularly document incidents of atrocities suspected of being carried out by pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces during the conflict. These include several mass killing sites found in August.
BBC News - Bodies of Gaddafi supporters 'found executed' in Sirte
Another absolute bullshit statement by you !
This was the six point peace plan between Russia and Georgia:
On 12 August, Russian President Medvedev said that he had ordered an end to military operations in Georgia, saying that "the operation has achieved its goal, security for peacekeepers and civilians has been restored. The aggressor was punished, suffering huge losses." Later on the same day, he met the President-in-Office of the European Union, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and approved a six-point peace plan. Late that night Georgian President Saakashvili agreed to the text. Sarkozy's plan originally had just the first four points. Russia added the fifth and sixth points. Georgia asked for the additions in parentheses, but Russia rejected them, and Sarkozy convinced Georgia to agree to the unchanged text. On 14 August, South Ossetia President Eduard Kokoity and Abkhazia President Sergei Bagapsh signed the peace plan as well.
No recourse to the use of force.
Definitive cessation of hostilities.
Free access to humanitarian aid (addition rejected: and to allow the return of refugees).
The Armed Forces of Georgia must withdraw to their permanent positions.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation must withdraw to the line where they were stationed prior to the beginning of hostilities. Prior to the establishment of international mechanisms the Russian peacekeeping forces will take additional security measures. (addition rejected: six months)
An international debate on the future status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and ways to ensure their lasting security will take place. (addition rejected: based on the decisions of the UN and the OSCE)
Russia added the last two points, while Georgian suggested quoted in the parentheses was rejected by Russia and Sarkozy agreed to Russian demands and convinced Georgia to accept to the unchanged text of the Russians.
So what happened actually was Russia secured all its objectives, trashed Georgians relentlessly, occupied two of their towns, Gori and Poti, destroyed their naval vessels and finally after intense bickering by the west, modified a plan by Sarkozy which was totally favorable to them, and had Sarkozy convince the Georgians into accepting it. Even after the ceasefire was signed, Russian troops stayed inside Georgia for 2 months.
2008 South Ossetia war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sanctions my ass !! You have habit of bickering unnecessarily over issuse that you don't know a damn thing about !
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Let it go man. Just be realistic. France has 300 nukes, Russia has 11000. France goes under the NATO umbrella, Russia goes alone. France fights from the air while Russia fights on the ground, air and sea, secures assets and confiscates NATO hardware (Hummers and Trucks). Sarkozy was the one who was travelling around and meeting people; not a bad thing rather commendable for being pro-active, but again, it was him who saved Saakashvili from further humiliation and persuaded him to accept Russian demands, knowing fully well that otherwise, there was nothing that could stop Russia from annexing Georgia if it wanted.
No, pal. You can continue to bask in your fake pride as always. Other than boasting, the EU doesn't have balls to sanction Russia when it is heavily dependent on Russian energy supplies, eastern Europe even more.
Europe's Strategic Dependence on Russian Energy
EU, Dependent on Russian Energy, Balks at Georgia War Sanctions
European Union leaders refused to impose sanctions on Russia over the invasion of Georgia, acknowledging their reliance on Russian oil and gas at a time of faltering economic growth.
EU leaders took the symbolic step yesterday of suspending talks over expanded trade ties with Russia, fearing that tougher measures would expose the energy-dependent bloc to Russian retaliation.
Russia is the 27-nation bloc's main supplier of oil and gas and third-biggest trading partner, giving it leverage at a time when the European economy threatens to tip into recession. Europe's determination to maintain business links also undercuts U.S. efforts to line up allies against the reassertive Russia.
"What, beyond rhetoric, do the Europeans have to offer?'' said George Friedman, chief executive of Stratfor, a geopolitical-risk analysis company in Austin, Texas. ``How do you have a diplomatic initiative with a group of Europeans whose primary goal is to avoid a confrontation?"
EU governments yesterday put the trade talks, under way since June, on hold until Russia makes good on pledges to end the military occupation of parts of Georgia.
"We unambiguously condemn Russia's disproportionate reaction, and we are conscious of our responsibility to maintain dialogue with our Russian neighbors," French President Nicolas Sarkozy told a news conference yesterday after chairing an EU summit in Brussels.
Backed by U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, eastern European governments overcame initial resistance by France and Germany to freezing the talks, launched after 18 months of inner-EU wrangling over what kind of deal to seek from Russia.
"You have an EU of 27 members showing unity of purpose," Brown said.
Stopping the negotiations might work to Russia's advantage, enabling Moscow to play European governments off against each other in energy and business dealings.
"I am not inclined to overdramatize the results of the summit," Vladimir Chizhov, Russian ambassador to the EU, told Interfax. "But if they want to re-evaluate relations with Russia, then we'd have to do that as well."
The EU said it is counting on diplomatic isolation to force Russia to pull troops back from Georgian territory and prevent the Moscow leadership from bullying other ex-Soviet republics such as Ukraine.
"I'm against any kind of escalation," Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer said. Russia and Europe have "strategic reasons for reasonable cooperation."
Sarkozy, holder of the EU's six-month presidency, will lead an EU delegation to Moscow on Sept. 8 to demand that Russia pull back behind the pre-war lines. He defended the cease-fire that he brokered, which was criticized for vague language that allowed the Russian army to remain on Georgian soil. Russia calls its troops in Georgia "peacekeepers" and says they are in a buffer zone allowed by the cease-fire.
Russia went on to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian republic. The EU condemned the attempt to dismember Georgia and urged the rest of the world not to recognize the two separatist regions.
Opposition to the scaling back of economic ties is widely shared across the western European countries at the heart of the EU, led by Germany, the country with the deepest business connections to Russia.
Europe's weak hand in confronting Russia "could lead to a trans-Atlantic rift, but it would be a pointless rift because both sides are equally powerless," Jan Techau, an EU and security expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said in an interview.
In a sign of their growing clout within the EU, eastern European countries once under the Soviet yoke pushed through a harder line. Some 53 percent of Poles favor imposing sanctions on Russia, with only 30 percent against, according to an Aug. 30 survey published today in the Dziennik newspaper.
The EU toughened up its declaration yesterday in a way that "definitely moved toward Poland's position," Polish President Lech Kaczynski said. The EU eyed a Nov. 14 summit with Russia as a deadline for Russian leaders to recommit to good neighborly relations.
Still, no government leader called openly for sanctions against Russia, a sign of Europe's addiction to Russian energy. Russia delivers over 40 percent of Europe's gas imports, a figure that will rise to 60 percent in 2030, the European Commission says. A third of Europe's imported oil now comes from Russia.
"Russians need our energy markets and we need Russian energy -- it's as simple as that," Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb said in a Bloomberg Television interview.
Russia said it won't let up until Georgia ousts its president, Mikheil Saakashvili, who has sought closer ties with the U.S. and is bidding for Georgia to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney departs today for Azerbaijan and Georgia, which are crucial to the westward flow of energy via a corridor that bypasses Russia. He also will stop in Ukraine, whose desire to join NATO is opposed by Russia.
Indicating that regime change in Georgia is the ultimate goal, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called on Russian television for an arms embargo on "this regime until a different authority turns Georgia into a normal state."
EU leaders pledged to help repair the damage to Georgia's infrastructure, plus more humanitarian aid on top of at least 14 million euros ($20 million) delivered already. The EU will also organize a donors' conference.
"We are very encouraged by the firm statement," Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said in Brussels yesterday.
The bloc also promised to establish a free-trade zone with Georgia and to make it easier for Georgian citizens to travel to Europe. It didn't set a timetable.
EU, Dependent on Russian Energy, Balks at Georgia War Sanctions - Bloomberg
Brigadier, he did not care much about India, as was his case with most international countries. He was never pro-Indian nor was he anti-Indian. The Saudis and the GCC are very cordial with India and we all know the problem there.
Gaddafi's relationship with Pakistan was also simply for his own use, and likely initiated by Z. Bhutto who went Islamic country hopping to try and embrace the "Islamic Ummah" and attempt to become a "great Muslim leader" on the lines of India leading NAM.
Gaddafi used the Pakistanis, and as soon as he had no use for them, he dumped the Pakistanis in front of the whole world and exposed their proliferation of nuclear tech for the world to see.
Islam may have personally meant a lot to him (though that also has doubts, apparently the man believed in reincarnation), he was always a pan-arab, not pan-Islam.
Last edited by Tronic; 25-10-11 at 11:12 PM.
NICOLEON might have ended the war sooner than we would have liked but your NATO pawn still got its azz beat. No one denies you have a good military, the problem is its size. Your Army is less than half the size of Russian Ground Forces and that is not including VDV. French AF is a third the size of VVS. Your total armed forces are a third the size of Russia on a bad conscription year. Ground Forces still has an emergency draft which can almost double its size. Marine National is half the size of RuNav. Not to mention delivery systems for 2000 warheads to your 300. You see victory in a Banana Republic and Desert Wasteland and suddenly you are a Super Power. No one ranks France above Russia in conventional power even if your military has far more modernization and projection capability. Russia is only concerned with the periphery, not stirring up trouble thousands of miles from our shores like your crazy NICOLEON.
Thats nice mate, no one is saying France can invade Russia. If you stick our expeditionary forces on a battlefield thousands of kilometres away and yours on the same, we would clean your clocks. You have the quantity and we have the quality. French armed forces are a well oiled machine with SA while yours are a clusterf*** that has no clue what is going on the battlefield. Half of RuAF front-line assets can't even get off the ground and your trained pilot cadre is so small even ALA is bigger. During Georgia you had to drag training pilots to front-line service because your regulars didn't have enough hours. Your planes have ZERO ECM as the seven times they were targeted, they were shot down. You pull armour out of storage and a third of it breaks down or not even starts. Most of the ERA tiles were EMPTY! You get to a combat zone and have no idea what is in front of you and your troops have to beg reporters to use their mobiles and ask which way to the front. France got a good look at the way you run your Navy and it was appalling. So many officers and they don't even know how to run a ship. Your comms are antiquated and radar detection didn't work most of the time. That isn't even touching the deplorable living conditions with no technology and lice infested sailors.
This is the third rearmament plan and it is turning out like the other two... failure.
I am not going to sit here and deny facts but you blow some specific situations as a systemic problem which is not always the case. The MOD knows what the problems are and working to fix them. The GOZ 2020 is not a failure, it is only delayed.
Good start after end of terror, democracy in making at zenith of core.
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