Indo-US Relations

I have no problem with opening borders and allowing people to move more freely . Anyways we need to go for nuclear war to take POK back and no one expects that . But I am completely against giving a single Inch to Pakistan to sort out Kashmir issue . And we should forcefully take back Part of Kashmir occupied by China. They are not a party to Kashmir issue and have to stake in it .

Yes it would have been complete harakiri on MMS's behalf had that deal gone through. But i think Obama will try to examine that option again and try to push India once again into trying to solve the issue based on where it was left off between MMS and Mush.

Stable pakistan is good for usa to advance its strategic goals in the region but it is not good for india.for india stable pakistan is more dangerous than the unstable one.unstable pakistan is dangerous for usa coz then those so called non state actors of pakistani state target usa.so bringing pakistan to stable state is in interest of usa but not in india's interest.
Usa must offer permanent UNSC seat to pakistan for giving up terrorism.

ajtr, Pakistans internal stability is not related to Kashmir at all right now. There are far too many factors involved in making it unstable and India is certainly not one of the causes for it.

What the US has to realize that, for them its only a near term goal that is secure supplies to fight in Astan, for India its a permanent thing that has to be worked out. There cannot be any compromise from status quo at least. And once their is a border declared, no porous boundary, no people to people contact. People like Geelani can choose to move to Pakistan as people had done during partition in 47

Porus borders means it more easy for terrorists to sneak in.Remember MMS-Mushy's bonhomie after Havana talks when our MMS spoke the golden words ,"Pakistan is also a victim of terrorism".It is being repeated Ad nauseum for every mention of mumbai.Then india used to freely issue visa for pakistani spectators to watch indo-pak cricket match in india never returened home.Now how many of them were spies or the terrorists of Indian mujahideen.

Kashmir issues is very much related with internal issues of pakistan and you can't solve kashmir untill you dissolve pakistan and cut off china in the north along KKH.

Even without addressing Kashmir India has leverage to claim UN security council seat or at least overwhelming support from countries like USA, Russia, France UK, Germany and Japan. India should realize its potential and do not surrender its ethereal claim on whole Kashmir. We must wait till our prosperity matures and we become more stable. India's politico-social ethics, ethos, constitutional fundamentals and its institutions are sound, well sorted out and at par with all so called developed nations/super powers. USA needs India more than India needs USA.
The world will see 3600 Obamas but India will not succeed if stared to compromise its integrity for becoming a symbolic UN security council member.

I am not asking for open borders we may have something like Visa on arrival only for kashmir people. These should be issued only for Kashmir people and only to visit Kashmir. We can control all exit points from Kashmir. very soon we will have UID system all over India . so hopefully we can regulate it in better manner in future. Pakistani spies have many alternate ways to enter India. like Nepal or Bangladesh .

And how you gonna ensure that pakistani kashmiri coming from POK is actually a kashmiri.With whole lot of demographics has been changed in POK by settling in punjabis and the retired army personnels there is no way india can determine that a person is a kashmiri.UID is for indians not for POK people.how about you gonna determine who is who for the people coming from POK????

Pakistan has many internal Issues and Kashmir is not the one which she is ready to fight against India militarily today/period. As for as dissolving Pakistan is concerned then India always has that option at bay. India can can afford not to resolve Kashmir to bring so called stability in south east Asia. 'Instability' term is Pakistan's call, Propaganda and instigated by herself not the opposite. World community should tell Pakistan to stop doing misadventures. We Indians are pretty stable, even against all odds. Kashmir will be resolved in the favor of the one who will have more stamina. Pakistan is playing its religious card and world is understanding the jinx of religion very well.

They are openly accepting their support for insurgencies in Kashmir. On what face value world is accepting Pakistan not as a terrorist nation but ready to preach India for some flaccid Permanent membership in UN to further empower Pakistan's fanatic ideology.

Pakistan was claiming Kashmir when no one in Kashmir was supporting them. So the intension to create Instability in that Part was always there. Interestingly the instability will always remain there even if Kashmir will be resolved in the favor of Pakistan. Because Pakistan is the only Islamic republic who has not accepted to live in coexistence with neighbors like other Islamic nations are well versed with. India needs to wait and Improve its Internal security in all dimensions, rather listening to world policeman America on Pakistan's call. Things will improve itself.

How long should we wait to stop the cross-border terrorism. We should try to solve the Kashmir issue as soon as possible.:emot154:

This time arround when Obama visits INDIA we should put pressure on the U.S. to act upon the pakistan sponsered terrorism.

Is a UNSC security council seat even in India's interest right now? Sitting permanantly at the UNSC seat will mean that India will have to take a side on every issue that comes to the table when it might be in India's interest to be low profile on them. And besides I willing to bet that any expansions of UNSC permanant members WILL NOT have veto power.

Btw, if we don't see UNSC reform by 2015 at the latest, it is bound to get irrrelevant. I actually see G20 as the new UNSC. The veto power is overated. IF you want anything done you need a consensus view from the G20. IF G20 gets some politcal muscle as well, it would be a perfect body to maintain New World Order.

What this means for India is to ramp up relations with G20 countries and have an irreversible level of interdependance with other G20 members particularly with the emerrging economies in Asia, South America and Africa.

Time to tell Mr. Obama to take a hike if at all he mentions the 'K' word. Its an internal affair of India and US should treat it that way. Anyways, UN has pretty much on the edge to become a defunct and impotent organization due to its lack of powers to solve the world issues. UN is being used by the big powers as a means to meet their ends (Iraq invasion by US is a good example). So, there is no point in joining such organizations. India should lead and join organization which are going to make practical sense towards India's development and power projection. UN is not that organization.

I don't see the Kashmir issue being solved to EVERYONE's satisfaction. We should look at it as a concentric circles approach.

The inner circle of concern are the valley Kashmiris as well as people of J&K. What we do need to do is move into dialouge mode and address core concerns that arouse passions particularly around HR violations. For example, there should be no excuse for a repeat of summer agitaions where 100+ people are dying like it happened in 2008 and 2010. An institutionalised process that caters to griveances that CAN be easily dealth with like curfew passes, corruption e.t.c. without altering any thing in the politcal environment.

At the same time a sustained dialouge with Pakistan is necessary as well. Dialouge does mean defeat or compromise but its in India's interest to keep talking to it. This is the second circle.

The third circle are Pakistan's partners. Mainly China and US to put external pressure on Pakistan on this. This has to be done carefully because it should be clear that it is a bilateral dispute but at the same time, their enormous leverage with the establishment means that they can be utilised to atleast keep borders calm and keep a lid on terrorism in a strongly worded way. Peace is a pre-req to have a solution concluded not the other way around.

Obama is more interested to do business with India rather than convince it to sign CTBT, Kashmir isssue etc. Obama primary moto is to make sure US economy gets back to its feet and he will do all it takes to make sure they earn revenue from India with defence and corporate deals