Xi refuses 'stapled visa' roll back, Modi says no to 'One-China'

[Rushil51]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi turned down Chinese President Xi Jinping's request to re-assert New Delhi's commitment to "One-China policy" and shut down the Tibetan Government-in-Exile based in India.

Modi dug his heels in after Xi declined to make any commitment on India's request to change Beijing's policy of issuing "stapled visas" to citizens of Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir.

The bonhomie between the two leaders on the Sabarmati riverfront in Ahmedabad two days back had fuelled speculation about an imminent thaw in bilateral ties during the Modi-Xi meeting in New Delhi on Thursday. But the face-off between border troops of the two countries along the Line of Actual Control overshadowed the talks and they could not make any significant headway in narrowing differences on other contentious issues.

The joint statement issued at the end of the Chinese President's visit on Friday took note of India's concern over growing imbalance in its trade with China. Xi assured Modi of taking "positive steps" to rebalance bilateral trade and address existing structural imbalances in commercial relations between the two countries.
Apart from setting up two industrial parks in Maharashtra and Gujarat, China also committed to invest $ 20 billion in India over the next five years. The pledged amount is much lower than what a diplomat of the communist country had told journalists in Mumbai ahead of Xi's visit.

Chinese Consul General in Mumbai, Liu Youfa, was quoted by media that Xi's visit would see China committing about $ 100 billion investment in India over the next five years. The diplomat had purportedly made the remark after Japan had committed to invest $ 35 billion in India during Modi's recent visit to Tokyo and his meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Sources told Deccan Herald that the Chinese President had requested Modi to reiterate a reference to One-China policy in the joint statement to be issued at the end of his visit.

But Modi, according to the sources, told Xi that his Government would not agree to return of the phrase in any bilateral diplomatic text as long as Beijing does not stop questioning India's sovereignty over Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir.

India, earlier, routinely recognised Tibet Autonomous Region as an integral part of China in all the joint declarations and bilateral documents. It also remained committed to "One-China policy", thus consistently denying recognition to the existence of Republic of China or Taiwan. New Delhi, however, has been keeping both the references out of all bilateral diplomatic texts since 2010, in response to China's policy of issuing "stapled visas".

Modi also turned down Xi's request to restrict the activities of the Dalai Lama, whose advice to China to learn from India's democracy was aired by TV channels.

http://tibet.net/2014/09/22/xi-refuses-stapled-visa-roll-back-modi-says-no-to-one-china/

 

[tarunraju]

Next time, maybe mention source URL on top of the article. It will save some of us a lot of time.

 

[pmaitra]

India, earlier, routinely recognised Tibet Autonomous Region as an integral part of China in all the joint declarations and bilateral documents. It also remained committed to "One-China policy", thus consistently denying recognition to the existence of Republic of China or Taiwan. New Delhi, however, has been keeping both the references out of all bilateral diplomatic texts since 2010, in response to China's policy of issuing "stapled visas".

Modi also turned down Xi's request to restrict the activities of the Dalai Lama, whose advice to China to learn from India's democracy was aired by TV channels.

 Central Tibetan Administration

First of all, Tibet is not China, and Tibetans and not Chinese. Hence, there is no question of accepting Tibet as an "integral" part of China. Yes, it did have suzerainty in the past, and now it has total military control, and hence, de facto part of PRC. PRC is not China.

Secondly, who does what in India is none of PRC's business. Dalai Lama should have the freedom to speak out his heart and GoI should grant him full freedom to do that.

 

[brational]

China playing fear psychosis. They are neither going to resolve border issues nor address India's concern on trade deficit. It is time to pull the strings on Chinese imports. India must adopt Export=Import policy with China. Quota system is a better tool to counter the Chinese, once it is done, the Chinese will start focusing on India's concerns. Chinese incursions must be dealt with stricter approach and similar Incursions to Tibet must follow. India must build International consensus on Aksai Chin and start pursuing it vigorously.

 

[Srinivas_K]

India should start issuing stapled visas to Tibetans who are visiting India. Tibet is an independent country under Chinese occupation and oppression.

There are no parallels between Tibet and Kashmir.

India should accommodate Kasmiri Pandits in the valley. The stupidest thing GOI did during 90's is not giving enough protection to these native Kashmiris when Muslims threatened the livelihood of Kashmiris.

Leh and Jammu are Hindu and Buddhist dominated regions, It is only Kashmir valley that India has to worry, By accommodating displaced Pandits there will help India's strategic interests.

 

[Srinivas_K]

China playing fear psychosis. They are neither going to resolve border issues nor address India's concern on trade deficit. It is time to pull the strings on Chinese imports. India must adopt Export=Import policy with China. Quota system is a better tool to counter the Chinese, once it is done, the Chinese will start focusing on India's concerns. Chinese incursions must be dealt with stricter approach and similar Incursions to Tibet must follow. India must build International consensus on Aksai Chin and start pursuing it vigorously.

Any trade deal with China will favor India, because of cheap manufacturing advantage here.

China will fuel the Indian economy as a consumer if both the nations establish good economic relations.

 

[brational]

Any trade deal with China will favor India, because of cheap manufacturing advantage here.

China will fuel the Indian economy as a consumer if both the nations establish good economic relations.

Agreed but at what cost?

China will ask for greater market access in India. They are not giving us market access for many products where we have expertise or you can take it as we are merely a supplier of raw materials, not finished products. They will not invest in India to create high-end products. They will take calculated risk and always remain cautious for a single penny spent because of the disputes. They are simply lurking India by showing business potentials and settle down themselves with trade surplus. So it is the China who has the upper hand in every sphere. We are not allowed to build a bunker on our own land. We will not be able to pull water from our rivers leave alone Aksai Chin. If China has perception issues then why cant they sit with India and even the British authorities to clear their perceptions. When British India called for boundary meeting, the smart guys ran away from the scene and kept the ground open for disputes in future. Are these desirable for business deals? Are they trust worthy to do business?

Other way, if w e follow the business way,Business will be stagnant after a level unless China wholeheartedly pursue resolution of boundary issue. They are building roads in disputed areas even in POK leave alone incursions. IMO, it does not make any sense to do business with China when national security at stake. I would rather see the actual implementation of that $20b on ground than the agreement signed. Here to add, hope you have noticed how Xi started India visit - the ground was prepared for a warm welcome "China gonna invest $100b" they even showed Doval the "screensaver" which prompted him to make statements like "China-India relation poised for an Orbital Jump." Ultimately the outcome is China made us fool nothing else. Now India has been thrown out of the orbit.

GOI must seek more market access in ASEAN, EU, US, East Asia and Africa by making open allies and make a stand like - "No business till India's concerns are addressed"

 

[Ray]

It is time to ramp up trade with Taiwan to indicate that there is nothing called One China.

As it is, Hong Kong is on regular protest over China trying to enslave Hong Kong fruther.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Agreed but at what cost?

China will ask for greater market access in India. They are not giving us market access for many products where we have expertise or you can take it as we are merely a supplier of raw materials, not finished products. They will not invest in India to create high-end products.

I think India will impose heavy duties on Chinese imports in a bid to improve the manufacturing base in India.

If Chinese do not give market access then they will suffer because of the reason USA has given access to China. In the coming years it is not feasible to build cheap products in China and Chinese have huge consumer base.
Regarding High end technology and all, There are nations like Japan,Germany, Israel and other countries who are willing to do ToT based on JV's.

They will take calculated risk and always remain cautious for a single penny spent because of the disputes. They are simply lurking India by showing business potentials and settle down themselves with trade surplus. So it is the China who has the upper hand in every sphere. We are not allowed to build a bunker on our own land. We will not be able to pull water from our rivers leave alone Aksai Chin. If China has perception issues then why cant they sit with India and even the British authorities to clear their perceptions. When British India called for boundary meeting, the smart guys ran away from the scene and kept the ground open for disputes in future. Are these desirable for business deals? Are they trust worthy to do business?

Tibet is an independent country and Tibet agreed to boundary between India and Tibet. The agreement went ahead and a boundary is drawn based on that pact. Chinese later occupied Tibet.

Other way, if w e follow the business way,Business will be stagnant after a level unless China wholeheartedly pursue resolution of boundary issue. They are building roads in disputed areas even in POK leave alone incursions. IMO, it does not make any sense to do business with China when national security at stake. I would rather see the actual implementation of that $20b on ground than the agreement signed. Here to add, hope you have noticed how Xi started India visit - the ground was prepared for a warm welcome "China gonna invest $100b" they even showed Doval the "screensaver" which prompted him to make statements like "China-India relation poised for an Orbital Jump." Ultimately the outcome is China made us fool nothing else. Now India has been thrown out of the orbit.

GOI must seek more market access in ASEAN, EU, US, East Asia and Africa by making open allies and make a stand like - "No business till India's concerns are addressed"

Reason why India and Japan are getting closer.

 

[brational]

First of all, Tibet is not China, and Tibetans and not Chinese. Hence, there is no question of accepting Tibet as an "integral" part of China. Yes, it did have suzerainty in the past, and now it has total military control, and hence, de facto part of PRC. PRC is not China.

Secondly, who does what in India is none of PRC's business. Dalai Lama should have the freedom to speak out his heart and GoI should grant him full freedom to do that.

Sir, China is not going to free Tibet at any cost. They will wipe out Tibetans in due course of time if they keep on protesting against Chinese occupation. This is the reality. All world powers have accepted Tibet as a part of China, so India's view is tertiary.

Dalai Lama can not do anything to Tibet. He has become more of a Buddhist guru rather than a Tibetan Political Leader. The real concern is that we lost our land (aksai chin) and the chance of getting it back is (?).

We have to remain under war shadow, there is no other way.

 

[roma]

just a few words please.
Im glad that member Tarun has started this thread , otherwise one of certainly woud have .

i think these are all the same moves that ccp did pre-1962 ....so we are seeing a repeat
plus Chellanyt's view voice in the past that 2014 - 2019 is the time for ccp to launch an
attack on india otherwise india gains near-parity with ccpchina and the opportunity will be gone
for a long time if it ever exists after 2019 .

given our delays i acquisition plus some perhaps calculation errors or flexibility of estimation,
we should preferably widen the window as 2014 - 2026 ....so we are in that window right now.

it would be foolish to get into panic thinking OTOH even worse to remain unprepared
but most important is the show of will-power to fight with ALL we've got - that should be
deterrent enough - actually even NDA coming into power has been a deterrent but of course
we need to allow the military to do their part and we need equip them with the systems.and
access-roads

How do we avoid panic thinking -answer by being over-prepared - so any event like this is
already well-rehearsed and a matter of fact . ....easier said than done and costs the taxpayer
too.......but is there a choice ?

also im over-pleased that NDA has said no to one-china policy - and as others have said
we need ot open up to Taiwan too, .....bearing in mind - all this will provoke the ccp .

expect more action at the border when Namo visitis the usa in a few days time - i think the stand-off
will continue till a few days or weeks after that.

 

[Srinivas_K]

just a few words please.
Im glad that member Tarun has started this thread , otherwise one of certainly woud have .

i think these are all the same moves that ccp did pre-1962 ....so we are seeing a repeat
plus Chellanyt's view voice in the past that 2014 - 2019 is the time for ccp to launch an
attack on india otherwise india gains near-parity with ccpchina and the opportunity will be gone
for a long time if it ever exists after 2019 .

given our delays i acquisition plus some perhaps calculation errors or flexibility of estimation,
we should preferably widen the window as 2014 - 2026 ....so we are in that window right now.

it would be foolish to get into panic thinking OTOH even worse to remain unprepared
but most important is the show of will-power to fight with ALL we've got - that should be
deterrent enough - actually even NDA coming into power has been a deterrent but of course
we need to allow the military to do their part and we need equip them with the systems.and
access-roads

How do we avoid panic thinking -answer by being over-prepared - so any event like this is
already well-rehearsed and a matter of fact . ....easier said than done and costs the taxpayer
too.......but is there a choice ?

also im over-pleased that NDA has said no to one-china policy - and as others have said
we need ot open up to Taiwan too, .....bearing in mind - all this will provoke the ccp .

expect more action at the border when Namo visitis the usa in a few days time - i think the stand-off
will continue till a few days or weeks after that.

Yes we need to be prepared for any eventualities, There are already some exercises that are done in the past. Also India needs the offensive corps to make in roads into Tibet. In 4 to 5 years the gap will be reduced between India and China I think.