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pmaitra

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What Ukraine going hungry? It is the largest exporter of grain? What happened? All money going into wily Poroshenko's pocket. Knew it.
They would have had another Holdomor, and they would have blamed Stalin again, save for the European food programme.

The two major occupations in Ukraine today are:
  • Selling tomatoes at the Polish border.
  • Drawing Swastika tattoos.
 

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There is nothing illegal in Ukraine if you are a Oligarch-Mafia man. You can murder at will, snatch somebody's property, kidnap somebody's wife or daughter.

@Akim is simply an idiot who thinks we are like him. He thinks we know nothing because "we do not know Russian language". These stupid people come here to post propaganda.
If you will insult, I will switch to Russian Mat, so that your interpreter will be ashamed. Hard for you to understand the situation, because in your world, are based on different types of economic relations. Offshore companies for business - not surprising. All large business in the CIS was registered in the reviews. There was a time when the biggest investor in Ukraine is Cyprus, because there Ukrainian businessmen founded the company and is there put money in the Ukrainian economy. It's not a crime. The crime, if proven that he combined the presidency with the business.
 

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They would have had another Holdomor, and they would have blamed Stalin again, save for the European food programme.

The two major occupations in Ukraine today are:
  • Selling tomatoes at the Polish border.
  • Drawing Swastika tattoos.
Who is hungry? Even if a person receives a pension, he no need the lack of at food. A big problem with preparations. They rose strongly in price and elderly people cannot afford to buy everything.
 

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Guys, cut @Akim some slack. It's not like he is responsible for whatever happened/is happening. He's a nationalist.

At least he isn't disrespectful like some guttersnipe SOB named @apple.

Btw Russia created a National Guard yesterday.

Is it just the Internal troops under diferent name or they created a brand new force?
Under whose subordination is this National Guard? I'm guessing interior ministry?@gadeshi @Cadian
 

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National guard is a good development. Russia will need greater internal security in future.

Ukraine is a mafia state. I stand by my statement.

All FSU States have criminal problem but it is acute in Ukraine.
 

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National guard is a good development. Russia will need greater internal security in future.

Ukraine is a mafia state. I stand by my statement.

All FSU States have criminal problem but it is acute in Ukraine.
Yes, but not more than Italy. Russia - no mafia state. Authoritarian and totalitarian system a priori can't be mafia. Therefore, the Russian cellist was holding $ 2 billion. in the offshore. He honestly earned.o_O
 

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Yes, but not more than Italy. Russia - no mafia state. Authoritarian and totalitarian system a priori can't be mafia. Therefore, the Russian cellist was holding $ 2 billion. in the offshore. He honestly earned.
You can take your legally earned money offshore, that is not a crime.
Corruption in Russia. Oh yes! Corruption in USA. Oh yes!

But USA is not a mafia state. People feel safe in USA. In Ukraine? Hell no!

Russia is also not safe but criminal problem in Russia is far less than Ukraine.
 

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You can take your legally earned money offshore, that is not a crime.
Corruption in Russia. Oh yes! Corruption in USA. Oh yes!

But USA is not a mafia state. People feel safe in USA. In Ukraine? Hell no!

Russia is also not safe but criminal problem in Russia is far less than Ukraine.
And continued to be the only cellist? Don't laugh my Slippers.:)
I feel quite safe. There is another problem. The problem in the small salaries of the judges, so they often rule in favor of the rich.
 

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Ukraine is a borderland with Russia hurting since the 90s & eu slowly rotting it will be hard times for 2 decades I think.

@garg_bharat I wouldn't say people feel safe in USA though, Russia it more seems outside of caucusian areas in moscow if you're not drunk & fighting at 2am you're safe.

With USA it's always been a crazy society, some few nris who live in gated communities alter our perceptions.

Urban america is largely no go zones even during the day. If any Indian city was having 1000s murders & 10,000s shootings each year global media would play it 24/7

In america, even the capital DC loses half its population during night.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/a...rge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery
 
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The only BIG supporter of Ukraine left in Europe is Angela Merkel. If she falls, the European Ukraine project will die its natural death.

Germans are getting tired of Merkel's asylum policies. It is getting worse by the day. It is just a matter of time before Merkel is pushed out.

Most West Europeans have no interest in Ukraine. This issue stands only because of a few politicians and undemocratic nature of EU

“Angela Merkel is really in trouble.” The German leader's approval ratings have fallen to 46 percent— the lowest they've been since October 2011 — from a high of 75 percent almost one year ago, according to a new Infratest/Dimap poll.Feb 4, 2016.
 

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The only BIG supporter of Ukraine left in Europe is Angela Merkel. If she falls, the European Ukraine project will die its natural death.

Germans are getting tired of Merkel's asylum policies. It is getting worse by the day. It is just a matter of time before Merkel is pushed out.

Most West Europeans have no interest in Ukraine. This issue stands only because of a few politicians and undemocratic nature of EU

“Angela Merkel is really in trouble.” The German leader's approval ratings have fallen to 46 percent— the lowest they've been since October 2011 — from a high of 75 percent almost one year ago, according to a new Infratest/Dimap poll.Feb 4, 2016.
The Polska leaders are also big supporters of this project. The leaders from Baltika are not big, but loud supporters.
 

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Poroshenko running to Turkey does not help him because Turkey does not pay Ukraine's bills. The Europeans are expected to pay Kiev's bills. It is up to West Europe how long they are willing.

Are Polska or Baltika ready to pay Kiev's bills.

Talking is cheap.
 

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The only BIG supporter of Ukraine left in Europe is Angela Merkel. If she falls, the European Ukraine project will die its natural death.

Germans are getting tired of Merkel's asylum policies. It is getting worse by the day. It is just a matter of time before Merkel is pushed out.

Most West Europeans have no interest in Ukraine. This issue stands only because of a few politicians and undemocratic nature of EU

“Angela Merkel is really in trouble.” The German leader's approval ratings have fallen to 46 percent— the lowest they've been since October 2011 — from a high of 75 percent almost one year ago, according to a new Infratest/Dimap poll.Feb 4, 2016.
There are no Europeans interested in Ukraine.
The only interesant is USA. It needs Ukraine as apple of anger for EU and Russia and a fuse that should fire a war in Europe. US still believe that if the war will start, they will can just seat tight behind the ocean and "help" both sides for money, deminishing their tremendous debt. And when Russia will destroy EU, USA will "help" to rebuild it like after WW2. And of course this war will weaken Russia that can force it to hold some external efforts for years and will free US hands for a war with China.
But US plans are quite naive in a global word.
Vlad Putin understend this, so he has warned US about if they will succede to start a war in EU, they will get thermonuclear strike even if US strategic forces will not be involved.

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https://southfront.org/61-of-dutch-voters-say-no-to-ratifying-eu-ukraine-association-agreement/

The majority of Dutch people who went to the polls in the Netherlands on Wednesday to express their opinion on the proposed association agreement between the EU and Kiev have rejected it, preliminary results and exit polls have shown.

Sixty-one percent voted against the Netherlands ratifying the treaty, which would strengthen economic and political ties between the 28-nation bloc and Kiev, an exit poll conducted by the Ipsos center shows. Some 38 percent of the voters supported the move, the exit poll has shown.

If the turnout surpasses the 30 percent threshold, making the “no” vote valid, the government will reconsider ratifying the treaty, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has said.

“It’s clear that ‘No’ have won by an overwhelming margin, the question is only if turnout is sufficient,” Rutte stated. “If the turnout is above 30 percent with such a large margin of victory for the ‘No’ camp then my sense is that ratification can’t simply go ahead.”

Ukraine’s foreign ministry announced that it is examining the results of the referendum, but pointed out that it was a non-binding expression of public opinion and that it will wait for the Netherlands’ final decision on ratification of the EU-Ukraine deal.

“We are counting on the decision to be in the interests of Ukraine, the Netherlands and Europe,”Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mariana Betsa stated.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian opposition said that the results of the referendum represent disappointment with the Ukrainian government.

“This is like a cold shower for the Ukrainian politicians who believe that loud shouting and wild hopping is more important than efficient work,” Aleksander Vilkul, a leader of the Opposition Bloc Party, said. “This is an assessment to those who think that no one will notice excessive corruption.”

Although Rutte promised that a valid “no” vote would not go ignored, he said that the government would take its time in deciding exactly how to respond to the public’s opinion.

In order for the referendum to be considered valid, at least 30 percent of the population eligible to vote must cast their ballots. The validity of Wednesday’s non-binding referendum is still unclear. With over 99.8 percent of the votes counted, Ipsos exit poll said that the turnout was at 32.2 percent.

The margin of error for turnout is three percent, and that for the final results is five percent, TASS reported.

The Dutch voters’ decision on whether to approve the association agreement, which strengthens ties with Kiev, will be officially announced on April 12, RIA Novosti reported.

“The most important lesson that can be learnt from this referendum is that the European Union has lost its appeal to the common people. [It has shown that] it is not possible to mobilize [people] for a referendum, for a democratic event that has been organized by the EU and is closely connected to the EU. This shows that there is a democratic deficit in Europe, in the Netherlands,” assistant professor of European studies at Amsterdam University Laszlo Maracz told RT, adding that “it will have repercussions and probably an impact on the Brexit vote in June in Great Britain, and consequences for future projects of the European Union.”

The referendum was triggered by a petition launched by a group of activists last year that collected more than 450,000 signatures, much higher the 300,000 required by Dutch law to force the government to put issues to a public vote.

Although the referendum is non-binding, it will be considered as an official advisory to the government from the Dutch people should the turnout reach above the 30 percent mark, meaning that at least 3.7 million voters will have officially expressed their opinion.
 
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