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India and Japan

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...re-than-us-japan-ally-india-must-court-2.html

Japanese yen is still 20% over valued and its true value would be around 120 Yen per US$, and till then there is a limited opportunity to have industrial production growth there...

Japan at around 220% national debt can't live without growth and hence paying their debt also this way. and the way China is rising, soon they will have taken a major share of japanese high tech export. Japan has to prepare itself considering that circumstances after 5 years from now :ranger:

India has to be more and more closer to Japan from now, as these two countries will have more to deal with each others in future. i would like to see india importing most of the high tech products from japan, for which it look on western nations, considering the fact that soon china will introduce a big proportion of high tech products at a very low price, and rest of them can be imported from Japan.

we hope to see over 90% Indian trade within Asia this way, hopefully by 2020+, and Japan is the key to replace India's western products :india: :japan:


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no , neither japan nor any other asia group of countries should be given the opportunity to hold us to the 90% trade ransom that youve suggested :tsk:

both in terms of trade and anything else especially defense technology - we need to diversify
and not be at the mercy of any one particular nation or ideological group :thumb:

but for sure japan can be up there with usa , russia, ukraine ( propulsion tech ) and france
- so we can add one more - japan

that will substantially boost our quest for diversification of high tech cooperative sources
I said, "90% Indian trade within Asia by 2020.", check my last post again. which means to confirm the changing world, which includes industrial development within India itself, hence having more reliability on the Indian industries itself by 2020. with that, oil/gas/ metal import from Asia pacific itself, with high tech products imports from Japan/ Singapore by 2020, which India may still not be able to produce by 2020, as expected. also, check the high tech export by china too as below, at a very low price itself as they even keep Yuan value lower. they are on Chennai express right now on the side of high tech export.

=> High-technology exports (current US$) | Data | Table
 

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Dealing with the Grey Areas

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Hi Hello -. either i have misunderstood your posts or something - still my argument holds ? if jap alone , we are restricted - if asia - the jihadi-Muslim and anti india sentiment is still there - may lessen if CHina gets too aggressive SCS ....best regards,
thats the main problem, as China is just not concerned for the World Peace to the extent US/NATO are involved. i mean, even if US is sitting with Al Qaeda/Gulf right now, we do know that they are basically enemies so it might be for the purpose to gather full information about Al Qaeda, and their sanctuaries in Gulf. which CIA may do better while being with Al Qaeda itself, as in Syria conflicts right now. we know that Al Qaeda will only attack on US/EU, whenever it gets the chance and their full funds comes from the Gulf itself. and CIA/US knows this better........

at the same time China is concerned with becoming a major power of the world, regardless any participation in World Peace. their growing military strength is a concern to all, including to India and its friend countries, its true. but we always have to deal with the "Grey Areas", where the things are mixed up, and we can't make comments on the basis of, "this is black and this is white" :nono:.... China does built its country, with reducing population too, and we have to make them cooperate. and US is not concerned with World Peace only, they have done heavy mess too while being with the shiits of Gulf too, along with their religious war in that region. both US/West and Gulf sit together as friend and keep digging grave of each others, better China in this regard????

there must always be a reason to learn from the success of China, and at the same time we have to make them more and more cooperate for World Peace too. "Power comes with Responsibility, and China does know this." and US/West too have to accept this changing world to deal with many issues together, with bringing many emerging powers to one table, including BRICS.......

with the fact that, nothing can be fixed up at once, TIME will answer many questions and will provide its solution too :thumb:
 
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India's Gravest Threat at Present

India has a Grave Threat from wrong ID holders of Pakistani Punjabis and Bangladeshis

my own years of experience always threaten me from the wrong ID people. they look like the same and then they get enter in any community due to the similar background

and two types of people i faced which have entered in two communities of India. one from Pakistan's Punjab state, who have close understanding of Punjabi Sikhs of India, many of these people have got Indian IDs from back door during 80s, got protection in mainly Canada/UK, including in other western countries as the refugee Sikhs, while they are mainly belonging to Pakistani Punjabi who have been frequently visiting to India too, to have local support from Indian Punjab to know the locality of Indian Punjab too, while they are already Punjabis of Pakistan, with having turbans like Sikhs......

and the second and the most dangerous threat India has at present is from Bangladeshi Muslims, who have typical anti-India thinking, mainly due to their religious background. they are dreaming for a Greater Bangladesh state, organizing attacks on the Bangladeshi Hindus and then they are sending Bangladeshi Muslims to India on the name of Hindus of Bangladesh and entering in India as refugees...... they have got little support from locals of West Bengal and North East too, and working in a set way to get their dream 'Greater Bangladesh', which will be a Nuclear Power too, as openly discussed by the Bangladeshi nationals on different forums.......

India is on a high threat from those who have entered in Punjab and West Bengal due to the similar language background, but having enemy attitude against India due to belonging to Pakistan and Bangladesh. many of them have got false IDs, have entered in Sikh and Hindu temples of Punjab and West Bengal too, and preparing an environment for a separate state, as Khalistan and Greater Bangladesh both. India is now on a high threat of false ID people, who have a good back up from those who are based in Western nations too, and how India will handle these false ID people, time will tell us :thumb:

thats what they dream for, as below, with covering the whole West Bengal and the rich North East states of India, with leaving Arunanchal Pradesh as they hope China would help them in this regard. while once i have responded, china always infiltrates in India and Indian military chase them sometimes too. but Chinese only terrorism affected state is Xinjiang and its coming from Pakistan, not from India and it will never be, they know this. and the same they won't like on the border of Greater Bangladesh too :nono:. neither Chinese top ally, Myanmar show any support for the Bangladeshi Muslims, neither Bangladeshi mobs show sympathy on the local Buddhists too. China would respond to this would be Greater Bangladesh project in the same way as the Buddhists of Myanmar respond to Bangladeshi Muslim migrants of Myanmar :ranger:

=> Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations

 
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India must be clear about her strategic goals.

Meandering and whimpering like whipped dogs will not serve the purpose!

Khurshed are you listening?
 

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India must be clear about her strategic goals.

Meandering and whimpering like whipped dogs will not serve the purpose!

Khurshed are you listening?

sir, its not about Identity Crisis type things, but until im part of the political involvements, i always find myself to be responsible to provide whatever best information i can from my side, and my last post about the India's Grave Threat is one of my key experience in this regard. Pakistani and Bangladeshi nationals are being used in mass to represent Indians in India and overseas, who have got Indian identity cards etc too.......

today i also discussed that, before Azmal Kasab was identified as a Pakistani Muslim, there used to be a doubt that the attackers might be Indian Hindus, who killed Mr Karkare too who was doing investigation of Sanjhauta express blasts, (which was in fact funded by pakistani sources itself, as per the investigation too........) Mumbai attack drama was planned in a way to first attack on the prime places like Taj Hotel to bring attention of whole world, and then it switched to killing people on the local Shivaji Railway station to organize Hindu-Muslims riots. as, why that attack occurred if the attackers made no demand? why that attack was made to score so many in local railway station if they had already got a prime location like Taj/Obrai to negotiate??????

False ID people coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh are the biggest threat, this country is facing. see this same Ajmal Kasab as below, and Hindu Type Strings on his hands too in this pictures as below....... these False ID people are not just one like Azmal Kasab but they have come to India in many ways, have entered in politics too, if i believe in what i know. you got Azmal Kasab one time, the reason why Hindu-Muslim type local riots could be avoided during 2008, which could be similar to Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai in 90s itself. but the same won't happen the next time, you won't get someone alive next time too to prove that they were never "Indian Muzahidin". whether Muslim or Hindu, they were not qualified to be Indians by any way :nono:. these false ID people from Pakistan and Bangladesh, who enter in India to organize local riots to de-establize the nation, including representing Indians in Western countries too, is the biggest threat India is facing right now........






The Secret Plot to Blame India
Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy

On May 21, 2009, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman from the 26/11 attack, was giving evidence in the court of Justice M.L. Tahaliyani at Mumbai's Arthur Road prison. Suddenly, he dropped a name. The person, he said, who had been their principal guide during the 60-hour operation from a control room in Karachi was Abu Jundal. No one in India had heard this name. Some were puzzled. Prosecution lawyer Ujjwal Nikam believed it was misinformation. And, as so often, the name Abu Jundal disappeared into a file.

Three years later, on June 21, 2012, Saudi Arabia bundled a wanted Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) operative, Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, 30, on a plane and sent him to New Delhi. Ansari had more than one alias; among them was Abu Jundal. When Kasab, from his Mumbai cell, heard that Abu Jundal had been deported by the Saudis and was a captive in India, he became, say his jailors, contemplative. The final pieces of a complex puzzle was coming together. Perhaps the most deceptive element in the exhaustive planning that had gone into the barbaric terrorist attack on Mumbai, conceived by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and implemented by LeT, was a poisonous sting in the tail. When the horror that took 166 lives was over, the ISI wanted to leave behind enough false trails to implicate Indians for its most spectacular offensive against India.

It was a plot in which Ansari was a key protagonist. Born in Gevrai village in Maharashtra's Beed district, he completed his matriculation and did an Industrial Training Institute course to become an electrician. He became an anti-India radical after the 2002 Gujarat riots and went into the shadows of terrorism, first joining the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), then the LeT.

Ansari came on the police radar for another plot against India, in transporting a shipment of 43 kg of RDX, 16 AK-47 assault rifles and 50 hand grenades to Aurangabad in 2006. This shipment, meant for a terror attack, was intercepted by the Maharashtra police. Under pressure, Ansari contacted LeT and fled to Pakistan. His name entered the public domain when the Indian Government handed over a list of 50 Most Wanted Fugitives to the Pakistani authorities in March 2007.

But Ansari was proving to be an invaluable asset for the LeT. A highly committed operative, he knew the layout of the land and directed terrorists during the attack on Mumbai on November 26, 2008. He was involved in plotting the blast at Pune's German Bakery on February 13, 2010, that killed 17 people. But still, India did not know of his role in the 26/11 attack. The breakthrough came in May 2010 when the Delhi Police intercepted a call from an India-based terrorist, Ajmal, who was in touch with his Pakistani handler. Ajmal had planned an attack on foreigners during the Commonwealth Games in Delhi that year. He referred to his handler as Abu Jundal. The agencies tracked Jundal down inside Pakistan. He was using the alias of Riyasat Ali and shuttled between LeT's headquarters in Muridke, near Lahore, and Karachi. Then they made a stunning discovery. Jundal, Riyasat Ali and Zabiuddin Ansari were the same person. Now they waited for their target to travel out of Pakistan.

In early 2011, Pakistan issued a passport to him, and sent him to Saudi Arabia to recruit potential jihadis from Indian labourers on behalf of LeT. In the oil-rich port of Dammam, Ansari ran a small taxi rental business, posing as Pakistani national Riyasat Ali. The US intelligence alerted the Saudis about Ansari's terrorist links; Riyadh put him under surveillance. Meanwhile, New Delhi provided the Arab kingdom with proof that Riyasat Ali was Zabiuddin Ansari, an LeT operative and originally an Indian citizen. DNA samples of his relatives were sent to the Saudi government even as the home ministry provided evidence of Ansari's involvement in the Aurangabad arms haul case. Islamabad, fearing that his deportation could explode their ploy of deniability, still maintained that he was a Pakistani citizen and wanted him back.

But the Saudis interrogated Ansari and discovered that he was indeed an LeT operative. They had to take a call. Should they stand by their long-time ally Pakistan and let Ansari remain in Dammam or stand by international law and hand him over to India? The Kingdom chose India.

At a safe house of the Delhi Police's Special Cell in the Capital's Lodhi colony, Ansari has been telling his interrogators details of the secret plot at the core of the deadly attack on Mumbai. The intent was to land a double sucker punch. The first blow would devastate Mumbai. The second blow would, with just enough 'evidence', promote conspiracy theories among a section of media, opinion makers and political leaders that Hindu militants were behind the carnage.

The conspiracy theorists didn't let Pakistan down. "There is more to it than meets the eye," former Maharashtra chief minister Abdul Rehman Antulay said outside the Lok Sabha on December 18, 2008, about the death of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare. Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar had been ambushed and killed by Ajmal Kasab and his accomplice Ismail Khan on November 26, 2008. Karkare was probing the Malegaon blasts, which had resulted in the arrests of Hindu fringe elements such as Lt-Col Shrikant Prasad Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya Thakur and Swami Aseemanand. Much of the Urdu press in India placed the blame for the attack on a diabolical Zionist-RSS nexus. Aziz Burney, group editor of leading Urdu newspaper Roznama Rashtriya Sahara blamed Hindu extremists. 'Is there any connection between the 26/11 attack and the Malegaon terror attack?' screamed a headline in the daily on November 29. 'This is a joint terror operation by Sangh Parivar and Mossad' said the Urdu Times of November 30, 2008. On December 5, Roznama Rashtriya Sahara ran another story: 'Who do you believe, Kasab the terrorist, or Karkare the martyr?' The paper hinted that the 26/11 attack was the work of Hindu fundamentalists and an elaborate plot to silence Karkare. 'Hindu terrorists are behind Mumbai attacks' said the Akhbare Mashriq on December 6, 2008. In September 2009, a retired Maharashtra inspector-general of police, S.M. Mushrif, in his book Who Killed Karkare?, blamed the Intelligence Bureau and Hindu extremists for 26/11. :pakistan: :bd:

The conspiracy theory was also enthusiastically bought by politicians who wanted to mine the Muslim vote. On December 6, 2010, senior Congress leader and former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Digvijaya Singh released Burney's book 26/11-RSS ki Saazish, which accused the RSS of planning and executing the 26/11 attack. Five days later, Singh claimed that Karkare had rung him up hours before he was gunned down and complained about threats and pressure from radical Hindu groups. :shoot:

Ansari's confessions have further unravelled the secret Pakistani plot. He told interrogators of his role in teaching the 26/11 attackers Hindi. He would give them Hindi magazines and conduct conversations with them to sharpen their language skills before they left Karachi. He taught the attackers to blend into India-greet people with a proper 'namaste', maintain a low profile and be polite to women. There were other aspects to this smokescreen-the terrorists were made to wear sacred red threads bought for Rupees 20 each by LeT scout David Coleman Headley from Mumbai's Siddhivinayak temple. All 10 terrorists carried fake identity cards of Arunodaya College, located in Hyderabad. They also took Hindu names. Ajmal Kasab became Sameer Choudhary and Ismail Khan was Naraish Verma. An LeT operative pretended to be 'Kharak Singh from India' and purchased Internet calling services from a US-based firm for USD250 (Rupees.10,000). The terrorists were told to communicate with their Karachi-based handlers using phones with Indian SIM cards.

The LeT, according to Ansari, monitored the attack from a specially created military-style command and control centre in Karachi, which was visited by LeT leaders and ISI officials. The control room had multiple television sets tuned into Indian TV channels, satellite telephones and computers. The handlers-Sajid Mir, Abu Al Qama, Abu Qahafa and Muzzammil-maintained constant communication with the 10 terrorists. Ansari tutored two of the LeT terrorists who had stormed into Nariman House on what to tell the Indian media in Hindi. He asked them to impersonate disgruntled Muslim youth. While doing this, he used a Hindi word prashaasan (administration). Indian intelligence agencies who tapped into the conversation were intrigued by the use of a Hindi word by a Pakistani controller.

Actually, Pakistan's web of deceit had begun imploding with the arrest of Headley, the LeT scout, by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation in June 2010. He told his Indian interrogators that the Pakistan Army and ISI were deeply involved in the 26/11 attack. He was in touch with two serving ISI officers, Major Iqbal and Major Samir Ali. Headley also made the chilling revelation that every senior LeT leader was "handled" by an ISI operative.

Ansari's interrogation brings fresh embarrassment for Pakistan. He has revealed the presence of Pakistan's ISI in the control room that the let set up to monitor and direct the attack. Ansari also clarified that the LeT has been unaffected by the arrest and ongoing trial of masterminds Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and Zarar Shah at an anti-terrorist court in Rawalpindi's Adiala Jail. The organisation is still plotting fresh attacks against India. The LeT is widely believed to be a proxy arm of the Pakistan Army. Its battle against India spilled out from Jammu and Kashmir to the Indian mainland. It was designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" by the US in 2001 but the Americans saw it as an international threat only after the 26/11 attack. In April this year, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced a $10 million (Rupees 50 crore) bounty for information leading to the arrest and capture of LeT supremo Hafiz Saeed.

What rankles Pakistan is that Ansari was arrested and deported by its closest ally, Saudi Arabia. The kingdom wields almost undiminished power over Pakistan's army and political establishment. Through the deportation of Ansari, it has indicated that it will no longer provide protection for Pakistan's terrorists. Another suspected terrorist, Fasih Mehmood of the Indian Mujahideen, has been detained by Saudi Arabia for his role in the twin blasts outside Bangalore's Chinnaswamy stadium on April 17, 2010. He faces imminent deportation to India.

Now that the conspiracy has been exposed, some of its original theorists have backtracked. Digvijaya Singh says he had already clarified about his post-26/11 comments. "There is nothing more to say. I am happy that Home Minister P. Chidambaram has upped the ante on the terror issue and has pressed Pakistan to admit facts relating to Jundal having trained terrorists who attacked Mumbai," he told India Today. Antulay called his November 27 statement "a genuine mistake". "Multiple theories were floating in the aftermath of the attack, especially the one revolving around the death of Karkare," he said.

Antulay admitted, however, that the Hindu terror angle had momentarily deflected the nation's attention from the LeT. Mushrif now refuses to comment because the 26/11 case is subjudice but says he never questioned Pakistan's role in the attack. "If someone wants to comment on this issue he should approach the court and seek a reinvestigation," he said. Burney's newspaper ran a front-page apology on January 29, 2010. Burney himself is, however, unapologetic and says many questions on 26/11 remain unanswered. Film producer-director Mahesh Bhatt says there is no denying Pakistan's involvement but refuses to believe the theories being floated by Indian investigators now and calls for a debate. "After the 9/11 attack, people in the US raised questions on the identity of the attackers. Nobody was apologetic about their views," he says.

Kavita Karkare, the widow of Hemant, believes recent developments have vindicated her stand that the attack was not an inside job. "I have been saying since the beginning that no Hindus are involved in it. Many people floated stories for political reasons. They fell flat," she says.

Pakistan, though, remains unapologetic even as it tries to distance itself from its Indian collaborator. On June 27, just a week after Ansari's arrival in India, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik hurriedly called for a press conference. "Now things are getting clarified," Malik said. "Who knows if there was a sting operation by somebody from India?" Malik, while defending his army and the ISI, was silent on how Ansari, an Indian citizen, managed to get a Pakistani passport and a National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. In the run-up to the July 4-5 foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan in New Delhi, an anonymous source in the Pakistan foreign office told the media that 40 Indians were involved in the Mumbai attack.

Clearly, one Ansari has not dampened the spirit of the world's most dangerous benefactor of jihad. Wait for the next round of conspiracy theories, written and sold by Islamabad.

Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today
 
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Hindu Kasab with red strings on the hands, while representing 'Indian' Muzahidin :rofl: :tsk:

and today i mentioned, i have mainly experience with those Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who came to Australian since late 2009 to represent Indians there, to fight in behalf of Indians in Australia, and then we had Western Media doing bluffs of dramas/ publicity to show the problems due to Indians. similarly, how Indian Muzahidin took birth by first bomb blast in May 2008, which continued till Mumbai attack 26/11 2008, and Western Media was involved in doing bluffs of publicity of 'Indian' Mujahidin, while all the bomb blasts in India during 2008 were handled by rogue elements of ISI :facepalm:

thats why i always confirmed that, "those who think they are God, their only strength lies in organizing bluffs/ lie/ cheat to get work done. their only strength lies in misguiding common people only." :wave:

and today i also remembered, how Sikhs based in UK/Britain were known to me as half of them having duplicate/ false ID holders Pakistani Punjabis, while being with Sikhs in UK, mainly in Canada.

and as i have direct experience of talking to the top positioned people, today I have confirmed from my side in my home that, "the biggest threat India facing from Bangladeshi false ID people right now, who are having typical enemy attitude towards India." its not Pakistan but the Bangladesh which had posed the Gravest threat to India at present. and if this Greater Bangladesh project will be a success in anyway, then it will be the biggest threat to US/West itself, which i have confirmed too. why? the people there and their home Sectarian Wars against the minorities of Bangladesh is being discussed in the thread as below:

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-bangladesh-has-turned-assam-explosive-2.html

as discussed in the above thread, obviously, if Bangladesh as a people start crushing minorities there in 50,000+ numbers on time to time, then they would do the same with rest of non Muslims too, including US/West, isn't it????? its also discussed in my one thread as below. and its must be confirmed that this type of Bangladeshi's dream to bomb US, and the man below is one of those common Bangladeshi people who have been a threat to Bangladeshi minorities itself......

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ers-discriminate-against-muslims-eu-us-4.html
 
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a correction in my above post, its, "its not Pakistan but the Bangladesh which has posed the Gravest threat to India at present."
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India's Strategy to Handle Growing Misunderstanding among different religions

i would like to keep a record of my following statement in this thread too, as below :thumb:

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...med-indian-malaysians-plight-ex-colony-2.html

Hindus are punished for being Hindus, in India too

sir, its not just Malaysia and many other countries, Hindus are being punished for being Hindus in India itself, even if they are in 80% population. population of Hindus was around 88% in 1947 while its now even below 80%, then its all about the most liberal society of the world, the Hindu community. and it has become its weakness too. just have a look on the number of financial initiatives to support minority Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists etc as they are not Hindus :toilet:. now in India, if you are not a Hindu then you may have many advantages, funds to support businesses, loans etc, but if you are a Hindu then you may lose them :tsk: :facepalm:

even if population of Hindus is still around 80%, India is a non-religious country with sharing equal rights and more opportunities for the weak part of society like Women/ Dalits in terms of reservations etc. no matter which family you belong to, of any religion/ language/ state etc, you may have the highest position in India if you qualify the exams. India may proud to say that even if its a Hindu majority country, it had many minority president and PMs, governors, chief justice, chief ministers, generals, bollywood super stars, captain of different sports etc.

but what the reason to offer better opportunities to minorities while they are richer than Hindus too? per capita income of Sikhs is well above average of Indian Hindus, while Christians receive foreign funds too for being Christians? while Muslims have problems of having too many kids, so their per capita income is obviously low?????????

then here, what the reason to punish Hindus in India itself for being Hindus? why so many projects, loans/ better financial opportunities for the minorities of India, while punishing Hindus this way, for being a Hindu??????? :india: :toilet:
An Attack on the Integrity of India

we always have top leaders from the majority of that country, check any other country of the world. but Hindus are so liberal, that they are very easy to be "eaten" by others, a common understanding the rest of the world have got. and it all started during last 8-10 years of this un-elected PM, Manmohan Sign, who never fought any general election, belonging to Punjab and elected from a Rajya Sabha seat of North East, and he and his Italian lord has been consistently involved in destroying Hindu community from the back door. if she could be married to even Imran Khan type very liberal Muslim, she might be known as Jamima Khan, something similar name. but as she married to a Hindu Rajiv Gandhi, who never forced her to convert into Hindu, so this Christian background women then started digging grave of majority Hindus from the back door :facepalm:

the 12 years of growth rate of Indian economy since 1991 to 2002 was hardly around 5.35%, much lower than even 5.6% growth rate of India in 80s. Indian economy came on the high growth rate since 2002 only, when Vajpayee government made proper changes in the economic reforms of 1991. heavy investment in infrastruture/ supporting industrialization and more aggressive FDIs, all started during 1998 to 2004, which first time brought Indian economic growth rate to 8.4% by financial year 2003-04, and then he retired by june 2004, the first 8.0%+ growth rate since economic reform in 1991.... even if India faced heavy problems during 1998-2004 like Kargil war in 1999, economic sanctions due to 1998 nuclear tests, military stand off in 2002, biggest drought of last 80s years in 2002, fall of ASEAN economy in 1998 itself which brought down growth of many Asian economies, but India could still maintain 6.0%+ growth during 1998 to 2004......

but since this minority Manmohan again got strength, when he couldn't bring the growth rate of India back to 5.4% average of 90s, since he copied Pakistan's economic reform itself in 1991, he and his Italian lord then started many financial support for the minorities of India which is mainly intended to divide the united Indian society........ as, if Hindus don't discriminate with minorities for any religious or racial reason, then why would they accept that minorities are given heavy financial benefits/ easy loans etc just because they aren't Hindus??????? even if per capita income of Sikhs and Christians is well above Hindus, while Muslims have too many kids per family so obviously they are poor on per capita count, then why is there any reason to provide better opportunities to the minorities, just because they aren't Hindus??????

India needs a leader which may bring the Indian society to "equality". India musn't have any financial advantages based on religion, which is mainly intended to infuse misunderstanding among the common Indians, to divide them on the name of religions, which is against the basic concept of integrity of India. except Women and Dalits, India must not allow any type of financial advantages based on religion :nono:
 
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Nam's Relevance in the Emerging Multipolar World and India
September 1, 2012 Nam

The 16th Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) has kick-started at Tehran amid an intense debate about the Movement's relevance after the end of the Cold War and bipolar world. The media and public discourse about the NAM's utility and relevance has intensified in the backdrop of stiff US opposition to the Movement as a whole and questioning Tehran's right to host it in particular.

When you look back at the more than five-decade-old history of the NAM, you will find that the US was always opposed to the Movement which stood in the forefront of the fight against manifestations of neo-colonial and imperial designs of that country. While the former socialist countries lauded the objectives of the Movement and extended moral-political support to it, the US treated it as its foe saying "those who are not with us are against us". :usa: When the NAM stood for political and economic independence of the newly-liberated countries, its member-states across the globe—be it in Asia, Africa or Latin America—were thoroughly destabilised in the most brazen manner, of course with US connivance.

The NAM was conceived as a grouping of countries that did not wish to be aligned with any of the two major military blocs—the NATO and Warsaw Pact—that emerged in the post–War world. People who question the relevance and utility of the NAM should ponder over the justification and relevance of the continuity of the NATO, which was set up to allegedly prevent export of communist revolution, while its rival, the Warsw Pact, has long disappeared from the global scene. The relevance and utility of the NAM is rightly justified by the neo-colonial policies manifested in the form of regime change across continents by the NATO headed by the arrogant sole superpower, the US.

The NATO's unilateral military intervention in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now its possible military action against Syria should not leave anybody in doubt that sovereign independent countries would be destabilised further if they do not fall in line with the US policy. If the 20th century would be remembered in history as the century that witnessed national liberation from colonial yoke, the 21st century is fraught with the danger of establishment of neo-colonial rule by the same old colonial powers headed by Britain, France and the US unless they are stopped on their tracks.

The NATO's unilateral military interventions, gunboat diplomacy, blackmail and arms-twisting policies cannot be stopped unless a powerful movement stands up to halt it. :facepalm: The NAM has that potential though it has been weakened over the years. This is precisely the reason why the US is so irritated with the Movement. Washington questioned the right of Tehran to host the NAM Summit, and asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon not to attend it. It is commendable that the UN-Secretary General, using his independence of mind, is participating in the Tehran Summit. This is a double slap on the US' face. The Summit is being attended by 35 heads of state and government, and Minister-level delegations from almost 80 countries. The only countries which are absent at the Summit are the US puppet regimes of the Gulf monarchies.

While the rationale of the existence of the NAM was called into question after the end of the bipolar world, many member-states, including India, a founder-member of the Movement, very judiciously argued against disbanding the organisation and pleaded in favour of continuing with the Movement.

The term non-alignment was coined by our first Prime Minister, Pandit Nehru, in his speech in 1954 at the Colombo conference, which became a milestone event toward building the Non-Aligned Movement in subsequent years. Nehru's concept of non-alignment brought this country significant international prestige, particularly among newly independent states, that shared India's concern about military confrontation between the two superpowers and enhanced our position in global affairs. New Delhi effectively used non-alignment to ensure a major role for itself as a leader of the newly independent world in multilateral international bodies such as the UNO and NAM.

Non-alignment presupposes participation in international politics by countries having no bloc affiliation. At the same time it does not mean passive neutrality or equidistance from the military blocs. It is neither a policy of silence for fear of the big brothers nor a policy of isolation from world affairs. But it is rather a strategy to take judicious decisions on all important issues according to one's own independent judgement of right and wrong. In this connection it is worth recalling Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's words at the Seventh NAM Summit held in Delhi in 1983. Mrs Gandhi emphatically said: "Non-alignment is not negative, not neutral; and we cannot risk any shadow on our freedom of judgement and action. We have no quarrel with any group of nations, But we speak out against injustice." India under Indira Gandhi attempted to reassert its prominent role in the NAM by focussing on the relationship between disarmament and economic develop-ment. By addressing the developmental issues of developing countries, Indira Gandhi and her successors exercised a moderating influence on the NAM, by diverting it from some vexed Cold War issues.

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Fiftyone years after the NAM's foundation in Belgrade, the world may have survived the spectre of mutually assured destruction of the Cold War period. But in the unipolar world that has since emerged and is led by the sole super-power, the US, what we witness is a grotesque rebirth of neo-colonial wars, aggression, regime changes through use of brute force, destabilisa-tion of sovereign, independent nations, return to arms-twisting, gunboat diplomacy, black-mailing tactics and, ironically, a renewed threat of nuclear war—the very causes of malevolence that had motivated the formation of the NAM in the early 1960s. Neo-colonialism and neo-imperialism, manifest in the brazen interven-tions of the US and its NATO allies, have started hitting the sovereign countries where it hurts the most.

International laws, all benign international organisations, including the UN and its Security Council, have fallen victim to US hegemony and unilateralism. The post-Cold War era has seen more brazen interventions in the internal affairs of sovereign countries than before. And these have happened in the name of humanitarian interference, defence of democracy and human rights. It has seen more wars, more aggressions, more intimidations, more violence than in the bi-polar world of the Cold War era. The NAM may have lost some of its lustre, strength and momentum over the years but certainly not its purpose, goals and relevance. It still remains the largest world body (with 120 members and 17 observers)—the "biggest peace movement" in the global arena, to use Indira Gandhi's words—after the UN General Assembly. It represents nearly 55 per cent of the world's population and two-thirds of the UN body. :thumb: Of course, a new lease of life has to be breathed into the Movement through a strong leadership and a new vision but surely the Movement should not be disbanded or thrown into the dustbin by using the bogey of 'lost relevance and outlived utility'.

The NAM is not just the brainchild of India along with some other states, it stands for principles which India since independence has always espoused and pursued in international affairs: sovereign equality of states, respect for territorial integrity, a just, democratic, equitable world order and progress of the developing countries through accelerated socio-economic development. As a founding member of the NAM India has relentlessly and consistently worked to ensure that the Movement moves forward on the basis of cooperation and constru-ctive engagement rather than confrontation. India's broad approach to the Movement in general and to the Tehran summit in particular should be oriented towards channelling the NAM's energy to concentrate on issues that unite rather than divide its diverse and disparate membership so that the Movement can continue to serve as an effective mechanism for addressing the genuine concerns of the developing countries.

India's foreign policy with non-alignment as its cornerstone, shaped by Jawaharlal Nehru, has been diluted to some extent over the years. India's autonomy in foreign policy-making has been eroded during the last several years, which is reflected in numerous cases starting from our vote in favour of taking Iran's nuke issue to the UNO, the abandonment of the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project under US pressure to its voting pattern in the UN Security Council on a host of issues. India is tailoring its policy taking the possible US reaction into account and under its close watch. It is sacrificing the cardinal principles of our foreign policy in the name of 'pragmatism and realism'. Our first Prime Minister and the architect of independent India's foreign policy, Jawaharlal Nehru, once spoke with clarity on the issue as far back as in 1946 when he emphatically said: "I am not prepared even as an individual, much less as the Foreign Minister of this country, to give up my right of independent judgement to anybody else in other countries. That is the essence of our policy." India needs to do some introspection on the issue of making independent judgement in matters related to foreign policy articulation without the fear of the big brother or global hegemon.

We should no doubt strengthen our ties with the US. But this should not happen at the cost of our relations with other states, more so at the cost of Iran—our declared strategic partner. We need this strategic partnership with Iran for meeting our energy requirements; for resolving important issues concerning Afghanistan, Pakistan; for getting easy access to Afghanistan, Central Asia and other countries of the CIS and Middle East. We can ill-afford to spoil this strategic partnership for the sake of our relations with some other country, howsoever important it might be. In this connection it is worth mentioning the well-argued document prepared by some eminent foreign policy experts under the title "Non-alignment 2-0: A Foreign and Strategy Policy for India in the Twentyfirst Century". The document rightly stresses that the core objectives non-alignment were to ensure that India did not define its national interests or approach to world politics in terms of ideologies and goals that had been set elsewhere, that India retained maximum strategic autonomy to pursue its own development goals and that India worked to build national power as the foundation for creating a more just and equitable global order. The document further says that our objective should be to enhance India's strategic space and capacity for independent policy-making which will create maximum options for our own internal development. This should be taken note of seriously by our foreign policy-making experts and officials.

The US has been publicly urging India to leave the NAM. In this backdrop it is welcome that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is attending the Tehran NAM Summit, which gives us an opportunity to reassert our position in the Movement and impart new guidelines and a fresh vision as well as renewed momentum to the NAM while reinventing our strategic partnership with Iran.

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Non-Aligned Movement


(Leaders of the Non-Aligned Movement: (L to R) PM Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru of India, Pres. Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Pres. Gamal Abdel Nasser of United Arab Rep., Pres. Sukarno of Indonesia, & Pres. Tito of Yugoslavia.)

Speaking at the Seventh Non-Aligned Summit in New Delhi in 1983, Indira Gandhi declared:

"Non-alignment is national independence and freedom. It means equality among nations and the 'democratization' of international relations, economic and political. Nationalism does not detach us from our common humanity."¦...Injustice and suffering can and must be diminished." Our world is small but it has room for all of us to live together and to improve the quality of the lives for our peoples in peace and beauty. The destructive power contained in nuclear stockpiles can kill human life, indeed all life, many times over"¦. The arms race continues because of the pursuit of power and desire for one-upmanship, and also because many industries and interests flourish on it"¦. Development, independence, disarmament and peace are closely related. Can there be peace alongside nuclear weapons? Our plans for a better life for each of our peoples depend on world peace and the reversal of the arms race.

India's Rulers and India's National Interest | Global Political Economy
Speech delivered by India's Prime Minester, Shri. Rajiv Gandhi, addressed to the United Nations General Assembly session on June 9, 1988.

"We cannot accept the logic (of NPT) that a few nations, (P5s), have the right to pursue their security by threatening the survival of humankind. It is not only those who live by the nuclear sword who, by design or default, shall one day perish by it. All humanity will perish.

Nor is it acceptable that those who possess nuclear weapons (P5s) are freed of all controls while those without nuclear weapons are policed against their production. History is full of such prejudices paraded as iron laws: that men are superior to women; that the white races are superior to the colored; that 'colonialism' is a civilizing mission, that those who possess nuclear weapons are responsible powers and those who do not are not."


"Nuclear deterrence is the ultimate expression of the philosophy of terrorism: holding humanity hostage to the presumed security needs of a few."

Rajiv Gandhi Speaks Against Nuclear Weapons
The Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) is a group of states which are not aligned formally with or against any major power bloc. As of 2012, the movement has 120 members and 17 observer countries.[1]

The organization was founded in Belgrade in 1961, and was largely conceived by Yugoslavia's president, Josip Broz Tito; Indonesia's first president, Sukarno; Egypt's second president, Gamal Abdel Nasser; Ghana's first president Kwame Nkrumah; and India's first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru.:india: All five leaders were prominent advocates of a middle course for states in the Developing World between the Western and Eastern blocs in the Cold War. The phrase itself was first used to represent the doctrine by Indian diplomat and statesman Vengalil Krishnan Krishna Menon in 1953, at the United Nations.[3]

In a speech given during the Havana Declaration of 1979, Fidel Castro said the purpose of the organization is to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics".[4] The countries of the Non-Aligned Movement represent nearly two-thirds of the United Nations's members and contain 55% of the world population. Membership is particularly concentrated in countries considered to be developing or part of the Third World.[5] :truestory:

Members have at times included the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Argentina, Namibia, Cyprus, and Malta. While many of the Non-Aligned Movement's members were actually quite closely aligned with one or another of the super powers, the movement still maintained cohesion throughout the Cold War. Some members were involved in serious conflicts with other members (e.g., India and Pakistan, Iran and Iraq). The movement fractured from its own internal contradictions when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. While the Soviet allies supported the invasion, other members of the movement (particularly predominantly Muslim states) condemned it.

Because the Non-Aligned Movement was formed as an attempt to thwart the Cold War,[6] it has struggled to find relevance since the Cold War ended. After the breakup of Yugoslavia, a founding member, its membership was suspended[7] in 1992 at the regular Ministerial Meeting of the Movement, held in New York during the regular yearly session of the General Assembly of the United Nations.[8][9] The successor states of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia have expressed little interest in membership, though some have observer status. In 2004, Malta and Cyprus ceased to be members and joined the European Union. Belarus remains the sole member of the Movement in Europe. Azerbaijan and Fiji are the most recent entrants, joining in 2011. The applications of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Costa Rica were rejected in 1995 and 1998, respectively.[9]

The 16th NAM summit took place in Tehran, Iran, from 26 to 31 August 2012. According to MehrNews agency, representatives from over 150 countries were scheduled to attend.[10] Attendance at the highest level includes 27 presidents, 2 kings and emirs, 7 prime ministers, 9 vice presidents, 2 parliament spokesmen and 5 special envoys.[11] At the summit, Iran took over from Egypt as Chair of the Non-Aligned Movement for the period 2012 to 2015.[12] The 17th Summit of the Non Aligned Movement is to be held in Caracas, Venezuela, in 2015.


Member countries, Observer countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement



=> Neo-colonialism (also Neocolonialism) is the geopolitical practice of using capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to control a country, in lieu of either direct military control or indirect political control, i.e. imperialism and hegemony.[1] The term neo-colonialism was coined by Ghanaian president Kwame Nkrumah, to describe the socio-economic and political control that can be exercised economically, linguistically, and culturally, whereby promotion of the culture of the neo-colonist country facilitates the cultural assimilation of the colonised people and thus opens the national economy to the multinational corporations of the neo-colonial country.

In post-colonial studies, the term neo-colonialism describes the domination-praxis (social, economic, cultural) of countries from the developed world in the respective internal affairs of the countries of the developing world; that, despite the decolonisation occurred in the aftermath of the Second World War (1939–45), the (former) colonial powers continue to apply existing and past international economic arrangements with their former colony countries, and so maintain colonial control. A neo-colonialism critique can include de facto colonialism (imperialist or hegemonic), and an economic critique of the disproportionate involvement of modern capitalist business in the economy of a developing country, whereby multinational corporations continue to exploit the natural resources and the people of the former colony; that such economic control is inherently neo-colonial, and thus is akin to the imperial and hegemonic varieties of colonialism practiced by the empires of Great Britain, the United States, France, and other European countries, from the 16th to the 20th centuries.[2] The ideology and praxis of neo-colonialism are discussed in the works of Jean-Paul Sartre (Colonialism and Neo-colonialism, 1964)[3] and Noam Chomsky (The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, 1979).[4


Neocolonialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The non-aligned world

"Neo-colonialism" became the standard term for Non-Aligned Movement, describing a type of foreign intervention, because of its practical and historical application to the internal affairs (economic, social, political) of the countries of the Pan-Africanist movement

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You. Have to first check if the indian govt is a friend to Indians then other countries?
 
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This Govt has a very cockeyed Foreign Policy that subjugates Indian interest.

Remind me of Nehru - a great world statesman, who gave away territories to all (Kashmir, Tibet, Aksai Chin, Coco Island, Katchacativu et all) for his personal image.

Likewise, the present dispensation of 'great statesmen' and 'men of peace'.

Stand by for another 1962!

Who suffers?

The Indian Army, unsung, unheard and unlamented!
 
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This Govt has a very cockeyed Foreign Policy that subjugates Indian interest.

Remind me of Nehru - a great world statesman, who gave away territories to all (Kashmir, Tibet, Aksai Chin, Coco Island, Katchacativu et all) for his personal image.

Likewise, the present dispensation of 'great statesmen' and 'men of peace'.

Stand by for another 1962!

Who suffers?

The Indian Army, unsung, unheard and unlamented!
much of this confusion is from India's position during the cold war and NAM.
Other countries do not know how to view India's position on many international
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much of this confusion is from India's position during the cold war and NAM.
Other countries do not know how to view India's position on many international
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I would go on to suggest that not only no country know what is India's position, India, herself, does not know what is her position! :shock:
 
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I would go on to suggest that not only no country know what is India's position, India, herself, does not know what is her position! :shock:
I am always amazed by how many Indians still have the cold war mindset that even
Russians do not seem to have anymore.
 

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I am always amazed by how many Indians still have the cold war mindset that even
Russians do not seem to have anymore.
Cold war mindset is still there in the minds of Indians because KGB was completely controlling Indian Politics and it was like fought against colonialism and ended up giving power to foreign entity internally . India has become a open place for everyone that outsiders can come from all over the world but Indians cant go anywhere .
 

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This Govt has a very cockeyed Foreign Policy that subjugates Indian interest.

Remind me of Nehru - a great world statesman, who gave away territories to all (Kashmir, Tibet, Aksai Chin, Coco Island, Katchacativu et all) for his personal image.

Likewise, the present dispensation of 'great statesmen' and 'men of peace'.

Stand by for another 1962!

Who suffers?

The Indian Army, unsung, unheard and unlamented!
Even i feel sad for this Kashmir issue .. Where Kashmiris including pandits get billions from Indian tax payers and can settle anywhere inside mainland India where as the Indians from mainland including Indian Muslims cant even buy a small plot inside kashmir . Its like people from North are moving into all corners of India . It was not enough with the Punjabi immigration inside North India during Partition that even now Kashmiri immigration is taking place slowly and steadily but we all cry in the name of Bengali(Bangladeshi Muslims and Hindus).
 

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