well don't you think we guys look easy excuse if that will happen then ......................
simple thing is that India should be ready for anything and fact is we are not our force is just nothing in compare to them we are lacking they are making large numbers of weapons good infrastructure and we are making good excuse
7To counter Pakistan we need MKI's, Mig 29's...but to counter CHINA we dont need these...what we need is the BEST DEFENCE SHIELD THAT WE CAN GET QUICKLY, we need thousands of MISSILES to strike deep in CHINA (No Mki will do this)....We need Missile bases (like china) on the borders (BUT THIS IS A DREAM BECAUSE AT THIS MOMENT EVEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE NOT CLOSE TO LAC SO MAY BE I AM DAY DREAMING >>>SORRY FOR THE FALSE DREAM GUYS)
8. To contain China we need the same strategy what CHINA uses againt USA..and THAT IS EYE FOR AN EYE, HEAD FOR A HEAD....I mean ....to fight a DRAGON we need to behave like a TIGER
Again I must tell you that it does not matter that what and how much you have, but the thing that matters is that how you use that what you have.
1. About the fighters, it is not so that China has a 1 on 10 benefit on India. About the F-16`s you must remember that they cant be good(as compared to modern technologies) as they wee rejected from MMRCA. They are inferior to even our Su-30 MKI`s.
2. What does that means "how will our army fight while pakistan is inducting new one "? Our men will fight no matter what the situation is. If a war is declared against us then our soldiers will not say that " we will not fight until we have proper number of artillery and howitzers".
3.China also dont operates any AC currently, though it has its future induction plans. Experience also matters. India has far more experience on an AC than China. Again Indian Navy rules the Indian Ocean and is expert in naval warfares whereas China here also lacks in experience. Blocking the entrance of Chinese navy into Indian Ocean is not very tough then how will their bases survive without reinforcements.
4.To make a counter attack on Pakistan, we do not require any base on any nation. By the way have very good relations with gulf nations so we may get some benefit there.
Dear try to understand. China is constructing naval base on Sri Lanka and Pakistan to make its hold stronger in the Indian ocean as its most of the oil passes through these regions bordering India but India has a direct contact with Pakistan on all sea,air and land so what`s the need for any base on foreign land for Pakistan.
5. MMRCA is just at the edge of completion and induction of jets is very likely to begin this year.
6. Till now Government policy had provided proper security and safety to our nation from any foreign invasion except 1962.(that too at that time situations were different).
We are lacking in some fields that doesnt mean that we cannot fight and win a war. Our Armed forces are not made of cowards. We havent learnt to retreat. If any bastard tried to touch our motherland then we will break those dirty hands. We will fight and fight till the last drop of our blood.
"Apni azaadi ko hum hargiz mita sakte nahi, sar kata sakte hain lekin sar jhuka sakte nahi".
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don't you know china also has su30mkk2 so just don't think about china just think about them also do they have any option?? they are solider they will fight but what is our duty
what govt is doing cant we provide them weapons well you think human life in india is cheap as compare to weapon
i hope you heard they made AC killer so don't live in dream now even USA is worrying
well these base are not just for attack that's main for strategic gains china is trying to bound us with our neighbor
i wish it will be before 2015 or 2020 cant say anything
6. Till now Government policy had provided proper security and safety to our nation from any foreign invasion except 1962.(that too at that time situations were different). jai hind
They have Su30Mk's and J10's/B's and also is in large number...dont underestimate these planes....its is not like F-22 vs F-15...it is almost same like Su30Mki(slightly better) vs Su30 Mkk....and they have more planes to takle all our planes...so no question of defeat....
What a choice for Army....IT IS NOT A RAJNEEKANT MOVIE....
Even USA fear of howering around their South China Sea port due to their long range Missiles and AC destroying capabilities....U WANT INDIA TO WIN THAT FRONT......Wow.......its like a hindi movie where a HERO kills an army of 100 villians with just 6 bullets (1 Pistol).......
Are u so dam sure that any other country will allow India to wage a war on Pakistan from their land....I DONT THINK SO...
till the time we get our full strenght of MMRCA planes...China will get their 5th gen planes...-----Wow great news for us...
how the situation is different now.......1962 China attacked...1999 pakistan....we are still the same....because currently we now that chinese are moving closer to us day by day by making roads/railway systems across their side and we are jus COMPLAINING....what a strategy...
Yes we will fight till the last drop of our blood......Its of no use if we still loose the fight......
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having attitude is good ....but neglecting the reality is foolishness.........Be real and show attitude is what we should do....but for that too.....the first step is ..Be brave in facing the realities and then face your enemy.....The Enemy here is stronger, has won a war already with you, is more capable, have bigger army, have more fighter jets, have more missiles (long range)....how on earth can we think that we are going to stop them in a war ........Lets be real...First we need to be at par...
What can we expect from the scam-full, inept and soft-on-terror government? Chinese inspire their citizens through their military's patriotism while our sarkar is asking an already burdened army to "let go". Such short-sighted fools in Indian government are the reason why we lost 500 precious soldiers in Kargil War against a smaller, lesser-equipped adversary.
guys we dont need to attack china we need to defend against china ,where as against paki's we need to attack them. we have remember that china has more number of enemy that we have (Taiwan, Vietnam,south Korea,japan , aus,US, even with asean they so many disputes . we need to have strategical relation with all this country's. two front war is a worst case scenario for us, it is hypothetically not possible.
Obviously this shows the treachery of Congress government in their commitment to Buddhist people. We are also described as minorities under their list (Even though we don't acknowledge this classification). Then why ignoring us? I hope this is proof enough to show all fellow Indians what these people are when it comes to religious favours and votebank policies.
Centre steps up Army deployment along China border
R Dutta Choudhury
GUWAHATI, Aug 22 – Following persistent demands from the Government of Arunachal Pradesh, the Centre has finally initiated steps for augmenting security measures along the international border with China and additional troops are being moved into the bordering areas, while, a battalion of the Arunachal Scouts has also been sanctioned.
Talking to The Assam Tribune, Member of Parliament from Arunachal Pradesh, Sanjoy Takam said that he, along with Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu met Prime Minister and the Defence Minister recently and discussed the situation on the ground. He said that the Government of India has sanctioned two additional divisions of the Army to be deployed in Arunachal Pradesh for improving vigil along the international border with China. One division of the Army consists of around 10,000 to 12,000 personnel.
The Government of Arunachal Pradesh has already finalized the plot of land for the Army to set up the new divisional bases and the land would be handed over soon. At present, one division of the Army with its headquarter in Tenga valley is looking after the international border, while, parts of the division based in Dinjan are also deployed in Arunachal Pradesh. The creation of the new divisions will more than double the strength of the Army along the Arunachal Pradesh-China border.
Sanjoy said that for years, the Government of Arunachal Pradesh has been demanding creation of Arunachal Scouts in lines of the Ladakh Scouts to improve vigil along the international border and the Government of India has sanctioned one battalion recently. He said that the recruitment rallies of the battalion of the Arunachal Scouts have started and 50 per cent of the posts of the battalion would be filled up with local youths and the remaining youths would be recruited from the rest of the country. The Government of Arunachal Pradesh has demanded that the youths of the North East should get preference in recruitments to be made from the rest of the country.
The personnel of the Arunachal Scouts would work along with the Army under the Ministry of Defence. The local youths are well aware of the ground situation and they are also well acclimatized with the adverse terrain to play their part in assisting the Army in manning the international border, Sanjoy pointed out and said that over the years, the personnel of the Ladakh Scouts did a commendable job in guarding the international border. He said that the Government of India also agreed to sanction a second battalion of the Arunachal Scouts comprising 70 per cent of locals immediately after the recruitment and training of the first battalion is completed.
In addition to that, the Centre has also accepted the demand for building of airstrips in forward positions and seven such airstrips are being constructed in strategic locations.
The Government of Arunachal Pradesh has also demanded that the Government should construct a road all along the McMahon Line to improve vigil and to facilitate movement of troops all along the international border, but the Government of India is yet to act on that.
The Government of India has sanctioned a Rs 24,000 crore trans Arunachal highway but the construction of the same is yet to start, said Sanjoy.
Hydropower projects: Commenting on the recent controversy over the decision of the Government of Arunachal Pradesh for construction of a number of hydropower projects, Sanjoy said that the issues like seismic vulnerability, environmental issues etc would be taken care of while constructing the hydro power projects. He claimed that majority of the projects would be run of the river ones and mega dams would not be constructed. The people of Assam should not be apprehensive of the projects and in fact the projects would benefit Assam, he claimed.
The Member of Parliament said that parts of Arunachal Pradesh were facing food scarcity because of the failure of the Food Corporation of India to clear the dues of the contractors and there have been instances when the State Government was forced to airlift essential items. He said that the matter has already been taken up with the Prime Minister and following his directive, the Centre has convened a high level meeting on August 26 to resolve the issue.
It seems the GoI is finally taking major steps to increase the military strength along the Sino-Indian border, as well as improving infrastructure in the region. Good to hear that.
Also, it should be noted that in terms of an aerial engagement over Arunachal Pradesh, India has a clear advantage. Chinese aircraft will have to take off at higher altitudes from airbases in Tibet, which means they will have to carry lighter payloads, and it is unknown how Chinese aircraft perform at such high altitudes, which can severely degrade an aircraft's performace. IAF has already shown that it is very proficient at high-altitude CAS and CAP missions during the Kargil War, but the PLAAF, which so far has not played a major role in ANY conflict, has yet to do so. If anything else IAF will have a decisive edge when it comes to real-time combat experience.
Also, the limited battlespace over Arunachal Pradesh means that neither India nor China can use their full inventory of combat aircraft, or even a large portion of them. Quality will matter a lot more quanitity, and IAF has the qualitative edge over PLAAF. Sukhoi Corporation itself has stated that the Su-30MKI is on par with the Su-35 and is currently the most advanced in the Flanker family. China may have a large quantity of jets overall but very few modern 4th+ generation jets (less than 300 total of Su-30MKK, Su-27s and copies, and J-10s). And most of these jets are based near Taiwan, Japan, and Russia, not India. In comparison we have two squadrons of Su-30MKI ready at TEZPUR in Assam.
mr arya if china has potential carrier killer then we also have the same including brahmos,club missiles(which even the us has no answer to.) . india is not a carrier based navy and it has only one carrier at the present that too having obsolete aircrafts like sea carriers.i don't think the ring of pearls strategy of china to encircle us is going to work as expected by china mainly because near all these bases we have our own air force bases and missile bases. at present the indian navy rules the india ocean.to do a similar role in the indian oean china need to commit at least 60-70% of its naval assets thereby leaving the defence of south china sea vulnurable.but i think india should increase the missile bases in the china border housing at least thousand cruise missile(like brahmos, nirbhoy,shourya) to target chinese military installations in tibet and at least hundred agni 2, agni 3 to bring the main chinese cities including beijing within striking distance. india must also ramp up its bmd defences along china border and coastline and have a agni 5 base in andaman after it is inducted.as the chinese econo,y grows further i don't think we can compete in numbers rather we must develop asymetric warfare capabilities like bmd, asat and directed energy weapons based on ship borne,airborne platforms,hypersonic vehicles,icbm's,cyber warfare etc.