Images show rapid Chinese progress on new South China Sea airstrip

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India is not just sending ships to SCS. India's ONGC is involved in oil exploration in SCS and is helping Vietnam. China is laying to claim to international waters and all the affected countries have objections. China does not have a coastline like India so they are trying to lay claim to everything bordering it. See this map below to get a better idea.

Vietnam claims almost the whole south China sea, do you object that?

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It will help if you give some respectable link about their claim.


Vietnam claims almost the whole south China sea, do you object that?

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China is claiming most of the territory as its own, a claim which is disputed by others.

Q&A: South China Sea dispute
Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries - but a recent upsurge in tension has sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.
What is the argument about?
It is a dispute over territory and sovereignty over ocean areas, and the Paracels and the Spratlys - two island chains claimed in whole or in part by a number of countries. Alongside the fully fledged islands, there are dozens of rocky outcrops, atolls, sandbanks and reefs, such as the Scarborough Shoal.
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Why are they worth arguing over?



Although largely uninhabited, the Paracels and the Spratlys may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.
The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.
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Map of South China Sea


Who claims what?

China claims by far the largest portion of territory - an area defined by the "nine-dash line" which stretches hundreds of miles south and east from its most southerly province of Hainan.
Beijing says its right to the area goes back centuries to when the Paracel and Spratly island chains were regarded as integral parts of the Chinese nation, and in 1947 it issued a map detailing its claims. It showed the two island groups falling entirely within its territory. Those claims are mirrored by Taiwan.
Vietnam hotly disputes China's historical account, saying China had never claimed sovereignty over the islands before the 1940s. Vietnam says it has actively ruled over both the Paracels and the Spratlys since the 17th Century - and has the documents to prove it.
The other major claimant in the area is the Philippines, which invokes its geographical proximity to the Spratly Islands as the main basis of its claim for part of the grouping.
Both the Philippines and China lay claim to the Scarborough Shoal (known as Huangyan Island in China) - a little more than 100 miles (160km) from the Philippines and 500 miles from China.
Malaysia and Brunei also lay claim to territory in the South China Sea that they say falls within their economic exclusion zones, as defined by UNCLOS - the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Brunei does not claim any of the disputed islands, but Malaysia claims a small number of islands in the Spratlys.

This handout photo taken on April 2, 2015 by satellite imagery provider DigitalGlobe shows a satellite image of what is claimed to be an under-construction airstrip at Fiery Cross Reef

Satellite imagery shows China building an airstrip in the Spratlys


A Filipino protester holds a child as they join a rally outside the Chinese consulate at the financial district of Makati, south of Manila, Philippines on Tuesday, 22 April 2014
The Philippines accuses China of strengthening its military presence in the South China Sea



Anti-China protesters rally in front of the statue of King Ly Cong Uan in downtown Hanoi to mark the 40th anniversary of the Chinese occupation of the disputed Paracels (Hoang Sa in Vietnamese) in the South China Sea, on 19 January 2014
Vietnamese protesters mark China's seizure of the Paracels in 1974



Recent flashpoints
The most serious trouble in recent decades has flared between Vietnam and China, and there have also been stand-offs between the Philippines and China:
In 1974 the Chinese seized the Paracels from Vietnam, killing more than 70 Vietnamese troops.
In 1988 the two sides clashed in the Spratlys, with Vietnam again coming off worse, losing about 60 sailors.
In early 2012, China and the Philippines engaged in a lengthy maritime stand-off, accusing each other of intrusions in the Scarborough Shoal.
In July 2012 China angered Vietnam and the Philippines when it formally created Sansha city, an administrative body with its headquarters in the Paracels which it says oversees Chinese territory in the South China Sea.
Unverified claims that the Chinese navy sabotaged two Vietnamese exploration operations in late 2012 led to large anti-China protests on Vietnam's streets.
In January 2013, Manila said it was taking China to a UN tribunal under the auspices of the UN Convention on the Laws of the Sea, to challenge its claims.
In May 2014, the introduction by China of a drilling rig into waters near the Paracel Islands led to multiple collisions between Vietnamese and Chinese ships.
In April 2015, satellite images showed China building an airstrip on reclaimed land in the Spratlys.
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In this photo taken on 29 March 2014, an aerial view shows a Philippine navy vessel that has been grounded since 1999 to assert the nation's sovereignty over the Second Thomas Shoal, a remote South China Sea reef also claimed by China
The Philippines has a rusting vessel beached on the Second Thomas Shoal, which China also claims



What does the rest of the world say?

Although China has tended to favour bilateral negotiations behind closed doors, other countries want international mediation. But even if the Philippines is successful in its attempts to pursue China at a UN tribunal, China would not be obliged to abide by the ruling.
Recent attempts by regional grouping Asean to discuss new ideas for resolving the dispute appear to have left the bloc severely divided.
The US has warned China not to "elbow aside" the countries it is in conflict with over the islands.

Q&A: South China Sea dispute - BBC News

how hard is it gonna be?



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China is claiming most of the territory as its own, a claim which is disputed by others.

Q&A: South China Sea dispute
Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries - but a recent upsurge in tension has sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.
What is the argument about?
It is a dispute over territory and sovereignty over ocean areas, and the Paracels and the Spratlys - two island chains claimed in whole or in part by a number of countries. Alongside the fully fledged islands, there are dozens of rocky outcrops, atolls, sandbanks and reefs, such as the Scarborough Shoal.
line break
Why are they worth arguing over?



Although largely uninhabited, the Paracels and the Spratlys may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.
The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.
line break
Map of South China Sea


Who claims what?

China claims by far the largest portion of territory - an area defined by the "nine-dash line" which stretches hundreds of miles south and east from its most southerly province of Hainan.
Beijing says its right to the area goes back centuries to when the Paracel and Spratly island chains were regarded as integral parts of the Chinese nation, and in 1947 it issued a map detailing its claims. It showed the two island groups falling entirely within its territory. Those claims are mirrored by Taiwan.
Vietnam hotly disputes China's historical account, saying China had never claimed sovereignty over the islands before the 1940s. Vietnam says it has actively ruled over both the Paracels and the Spratlys since the 17th Century - and has the documents to prove it.
The other major claimant in the area is the Philippines, which invokes its geographical proximity to the Spratly Islands as the main basis of its claim for part of the grouping.
Both the Philippines and China lay claim to the Scarborough Shoal (known as Huangyan Island in China) - a little more than 100 miles (160km) from the Philippines and 500 miles from China.
Malaysia and Brunei also lay claim to territory in the South China Sea that they say falls within their economic exclusion zones, as defined by UNCLOS - the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Brunei does not claim any of the disputed islands, but Malaysia claims a small number of islands in the Spratlys.

This handout photo taken on April 2, 2015 by satellite imagery provider DigitalGlobe shows a satellite image of what is claimed to be an under-construction airstrip at Fiery Cross Reef

Satellite imagery shows China building an airstrip in the Spratlys


A Filipino protester holds a child as they join a rally outside the Chinese consulate at the financial district of Makati, south of Manila, Philippines on Tuesday, 22 April 2014
The Philippines accuses China of strengthening its military presence in the South China Sea



Anti-China protesters rally in front of the statue of King Ly Cong Uan in downtown Hanoi to mark the 40th anniversary of the Chinese occupation of the disputed Paracels (Hoang Sa in Vietnamese) in the South China Sea, on 19 January 2014
Vietnamese protesters mark China's seizure of the Paracels in 1974



Recent flashpoints
The most serious trouble in recent decades has flared between Vietnam and China, and there have also been stand-offs between the Philippines and China:
In 1974 the Chinese seized the Paracels from Vietnam, killing more than 70 Vietnamese troops.
In 1988 the two sides clashed in the Spratlys, with Vietnam again coming off worse, losing about 60 sailors.
In early 2012, China and the Philippines engaged in a lengthy maritime stand-off, accusing each other of intrusions in the Scarborough Shoal.
In July 2012 China angered Vietnam and the Philippines when it formally created Sansha city, an administrative body with its headquarters in the Paracels which it says oversees Chinese territory in the South China Sea.
Unverified claims that the Chinese navy sabotaged two Vietnamese exploration operations in late 2012 led to large anti-China protests on Vietnam's streets.
In January 2013, Manila said it was taking China to a UN tribunal under the auspices of the UN Convention on the Laws of the Sea, to challenge its claims.
In May 2014, the introduction by China of a drilling rig into waters near the Paracel Islands led to multiple collisions between Vietnamese and Chinese ships.
In April 2015, satellite images showed China building an airstrip on reclaimed land in the Spratlys.
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In this photo taken on 29 March 2014, an aerial view shows a Philippine navy vessel that has been grounded since 1999 to assert the nation's sovereignty over the Second Thomas Shoal, a remote South China Sea reef also claimed by China
The Philippines has a rusting vessel beached on the Second Thomas Shoal, which China also claims



What does the rest of the world say?

Although China has tended to favour bilateral negotiations behind closed doors, other countries want international mediation. But even if the Philippines is successful in its attempts to pursue China at a UN tribunal, China would not be obliged to abide by the ruling.
Recent attempts by regional grouping Asean to discuss new ideas for resolving the dispute appear to have left the bloc severely divided.
The US has warned China not to "elbow aside" the countries it is in conflict with over the islands.

Q&A: South China Sea dispute - BBC News
Vietnam claims no less of SCS than China, as the map shows, what is your own opinion on that?

Instead of parroting western voices, what else can you do?

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If there is a dispute and one party wants international arbitration then it is up to the two countries to find a peaceful solution to the claims. China is too big a country for the smaller ones to fight and as of now we can only see China using its muscle to claim everything as their own. According to this article it is China which is staking the largest claim. Vietnam disputes it, so do the others. The question of dispute arises when one country ( in this case china) forcefully claims territory as its own. The current dispensation does not give China exclusive rights over this territory it claims. If there was no dispute there would be no issue at all. India's position will be in consonance with the world on this.


Vietnam claims no less of SCS than China, as the map shows, what is your own opinion on that?

Instead of parroting western voices, what else can you do?

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This is actually a sound strategy. It's far cheaper to dredge out airstrips in shallow waters, in strategic locations, than spending $1-2 billion on aircraft carriers.
 

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To be frank India is not ready yet to become at least a regional player. There are several issues that India needs to iron our before heading into the Internationale arena.
Domestic issues have no bearing on international relations. This is just whiners logic.
 

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India is not just sending ships to SCS. India's ONGC is involved in oil exploration in SCS and is helping Vietnam. China is laying to claim to international waters and all the affected countries have objections. China does not have a coastline like India so they are trying to lay claim to everything bordering it. See this map below to get a better idea.

it's pretty certain that Indian ONGC operates outside of the 9-dash dotted line demarcated by China. otherwise be prepared to face the Chinese wrath.

as one of UNSC P5 China bears extra responsibility for navigation freedom and regional security over the West PAC. those airstrips and radars etc. being deployed r part of the capability buildup for the missions in the same vein of Diego Garcia.

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China's wrath? Does the below sound like wrath to you?
India and Vietnam have an Oil exploration deal.

'No problem of freedom of navigation in South China Sea'

Amid concerns over its growing assertiveness in South China Sea, China today said there was no "insecurity" as well as no restriction on the freedom of navigation in the region.

"The problem does not exist," Chinese Ambassador Le Yucheng said referring to the freedom of navigation and security in the resource-rich South China sea.

Describing it as a stable region, the envoy said South China Sea was key for China's international trade.

"China, more than anyone else, is interested in ensuring security of the waters. 70 per cent of Chinese goods come and go through the waters," he said.

South China Sea dispute

Asked about the mentioning of the South China Sea dispute in the India-US joint statement issued during President Barack Obama's visit here in January, Le said China took note of it and that there was no problem of security or any issue relating to freedom of navigation in the region.

"We noticed the statement about the South China sea. The South China sea remains stable and secure. Nothing happened.

There has been no incident," Le said at the India Today conclave.

China has an acrimonious relationship with Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei over the South China Sea issue.

India's ONGC Videsh (OVL) has operations in oil blocks in South China Sea. China has been objecting to India's oil exploration projects in the disputed waters, while Vietnam has been pushing for India's greater participation in oil projects.

Freedom of navigation

India has been supporting freedom of navigation and access to resources in the South China Sea in accordance with the principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Talking about various problems facing the region and the globe, Le identified poverty as a key challenge and invoked Mahatma Gandhi.

"Gandhi had said poverty is the worst form of violence," he said seeking concerted efforts to address the challenge.

The envoy said Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made "remarkable progress" in lifting India's economy. He also spoke about the need for better connectivity in the region and mentioned about China's efforts to revive the Silk route project.

'No problem of freedom of navigation in South China Sea' | Business Line

(This article was published on March 14, 2015

it's pretty certain that Indian ONGC operates outside of the 9-dash dotted line demarcated by China. otherwise be prepared to face the Chinese wrath.

as one of UNSC P5 China bears extra responsibility for navigation freedom and regional security over the West PAC. those airstrips and radars etc. being deployed r part of the capability buildup for the missions in the same vein of Diego Garcia.

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It is a good sign that Chinese are doing it. They are reacting to gradual siege USA is enforcing around them from east. I see it as a Chinese desperate attempt as American strategies are showing results. China is telling USA to take all its Island during a war but spare mainland so they both can have a face saver.

China is getting more defensive vis a vis USA and soon will be itching for war with its small neighbors to pretend as a relevant regional power which their propaganda machinery will translate into posturing of a global power at par with USA and allies.

Any Indian who is reading it otherwise is feeding on the same bait disseminated by the same well oiled Chinese propaganda machinery.
 
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China's first runway in Spratlys under construction - IHS Jane's 360


Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows changes to Fiery Cross Reef observed between February and March 2015. Noteworthy is the beginning of airfield installation in March, and the relocation of some dredging activity out of the harbour. (© CNES 2015, Distribution Airbus DS / Spot Image / IHS) 1569026

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Satellite imagery shows that China has begun building a runway on reclaimed parts of Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands
The imagery, provided by Airbus Defence and Space, also shows China building islands on Subi Reef that if linked up would provide enough land for another airstrip
China has begun to build its first airstrip in the Spratly Islands, according to IHS Jane's analysis of Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery taken in March.

The 23 March images show a paved section of runway 503 m by 53 m on the northeastern side of Fiery Cross Reef, which China began to turn into an island in late 2014. Paving and ground preparation of other sections of the runway has also begun further along the island. In addition, workers have paved about 400 m by 20 m of apron.


Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows runway construction underway at Fiery Cross Reef. (© CNES 2015, Distribution Airbus DS / Spot Image / IHS) 1569027

Other imagery taken in March also shows China could be building a second airstrip-capable island on Subi Reef.

China's island building at Fiery Cross Reef has created a landmass that is capable of housing a runway about 3,000 m long. This would be well within the parameters of existing People's Liberation Army Air Force runways on mainland China, which vary in length from about 2,700 m to 4,000 m at most.

The runway at Woody Island in the Paracel Islands was about 2,300 m before upgrade work started there in 2014; satellite imagery suggests China is also expanding that to be about 3,000 m long.

The 23 March imagery of Fiery Cross Reef also shows further dredging on the new island's southwestern side, close to the extant platform that China originally built on the reef. The imagery also shows floating cranes consolidating the integrity of new island's harbour by placing concrete blocks on the interior walls; an exterior sea wall has also been extended, presumably to provide better protection for ships in port.

Airbus imagery taken of Subi Reef – also in the Spratlys – on 6 February and 5 March shows land reclamation on this site too. The 6 February image shows three islands being created. By 5 March, at least nine dredgers are creating larger landmasses on the reef that if joined together could create enough land for another 3,000 m-long airstrip.

While Fiery Cross Reef is to the west of the Spratly Islands archipelago, Subi Reef is on the north side of the island group and is only 25 km from Thitu/Pagasa island, which is occupied by the Philippines and has a civilian population.









 

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The 23 March images show a paved section of runway 503 m by 53 m on the northeastern side of Fiery Cross Reef, which China began to turn into an island in late 2014. Paving and ground preparation of other sections of the runway has also begun further along the island. In addition, workers have paved about 400 m by 20 m of apron.
Where are you find these pics?
 

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Construction on Zhubi island is still ongoing, but looks pretty close to completion. Its starting to look like a small town - which is probably exactly what is intended; civilian residents on the Spratly islands:









The lagoons on the biggest SCS reclaimed islands - including Zhubi - seem ideal for floating power stations like the ACP100 Chinese miniaturized nuclear reactor that successfully passed IAEA GRSR review recently:
 
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Fully operational PLAAF SU 35 combat patrol over south china sea


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Vietnam claims almost the whole south China sea, do you object that?

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China, of all nations, knows that there is no common international law all nations abide by. Chinese doctrine is based on "power flows from the barrel of a gun", and in keeping with that, you'll have to contend with the possibility of a Vietnam armed with a nuclear tipped Brahmos. A lot of power flows from that barrel. The military differential between PLA and Vietnam military doesn't matter. If you're willing to stake your 10 trillion $ economy over a nuclear exchange with Vietnam, sure, you can win your exclusive fishing rights on the SCS.
 
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Fully operational PLAAF SU 35 combat patrol over south china sea


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By looking at the payload, how did you distinguish that it's a combat patrol and not a training sortie.? Look at the pic wings don't have any Air to Air armament. May be only a dummy or real WVRM. To me those are empty pylons.
 

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China, of all nations, knows that there is no common international law all nations abide by. Chinese doctrine is based on "power flows from the barrel of a gun", and in keeping with that, you'll have to contend with the possibility of a Vietnam armed with a nuclear tipped Brahmos. A lot of power flows from that barrel. The military differential between PLA and Vietnam military doesn't matter. If you're willing to stake your 10 trillion $ economy over a nuclear exchange with Vietnam, sure, you can win your exclusive fishing rights on the SCS.
proliferate your nuclear weapons to Vietnam first, then come back to nuclear-blackmail us.
 

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