In R-Day message, China tells India don't fall into 'trap' laid by U.S

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When India talks with Japan China is worried
When India talks with USA China is worried
When India talks with Nepal China is worried
When India talks about Tibet China is worried
When India talks with Srilanka China is worried.
When Indian talks with Philippines China is worried.
When India talks with Russia China is categorically pissed
When India talks with Aghan China is worried.

So much of confidence in China's own capabilities I persume... Exerting presence in IOR .. arse!!

Nice to see the chinese confidence and them sweating like a teeny on prom night, seeing so many guys in the arena!! :D

Chinese diplomacy involves appeasement...the master slave concept..and China has found itself a nice bitch in Pakistan. The concept of having multiple alliances, balancing interests , working on convergence for progress is something China cant handle / make happen/ have a capacity to envision.
Too tiny hands like their vision and too big things for China to handle :D

China cant even have a mature foreign relation with its neighbors apart from trade!!! :pound:

The concept of balancing..mutual respect are alien for China and its Commie gods. Either they dont know how to do it or they are incapable of seeing mutual benefit past their selfishness.
This is what is going to fail China into the deepest Chaos history has seen.
 

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Food for thought

The big problems in the Russia-China relationship can't be solved by a gas deal

On Wednesday, Russia and China signed a $400 billion dollar natural gas deal. According to Vladimir Putin, Russia's agreement to sell 38 billion cubic meters of gas to China is "the biggest contract in the history of the gas sector of the former USSR." Putin's Soviet reference can't help but remind observers of the days when Russia and China were both real Communist powers, on the same side against America and its Western allies.

Russia and China have a marriage of convenience
The deal does get to American fears that Russia, pushing away from Europe after the Ukraine crisis, could team up with China against the Western world. Moscow may want to communicate that as well: Russia Today, the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, ran a piece calling the deal "the beginning of the de-dollarization and de-Americanization of the world."

But the idea of a world-changing Russia-China alliance is poppycock. The natural gas deal doesn't augur an anti-American alliance in the near term. Even in the long term, no such alliance is likely. Russia and China have a marriage of convenience, not any kind of more durable partnership. And sometimes, that turns into conflict: the two nations see each others as both potential partners and potential threats.


Beyond the propaganda value of talking about an anti-American alliance, it turns out that neither China nor Russia really has it in their interests to form a military alliance. A non-aggression pact, mutual defense treaty, or any other kind of alliance would only be useful if either country was at imminent risk of invasion (they're not), or if they wanted to work together in some act of aggression abroad. But neither has shown any interest in helping out with the other's border conflicts.


Again, both state medias like to talk about challenging the world order, but there's little evidence either China or Russia wants that.

The gas deal doesn't alter these fundamental realities
. It makes much more sense as a pragmatic step on both sides, one that furthers the concrete interests of both sides without committing them to a broader strategic relationship.

Russia, for its part, gets money. It also gets to show the US and Europe that it has an alternative to European gas sales, an important stick in the ongoing conflict over Ukraine.

China gets natural gas at a good price. That $400 billion price tag may seem high, but the per-cubic meter rate is pretty good by global standards. So China gets to diversify its heavily coal-dependent energy sector at a bargain rate, which isn't thrilling news for Russia's rapidly worsening economy. If the gas wasn't at such a good price, China probably would have scuttled the deal.

In other words, short term political and economic motivations explain everything that needs explaining here. Russia and China sometimes have overlapping interests, but they're not allies. And it's hard to see how they ever could be.
The big problems in the Russia-China relationship can't be solved by a gas deal - Vox

As always..either China has under estimate Putin or Chinese civilians has over estimate their CCP gods.

 

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I admit that I do not understand Chinese people or Chinese govt. as they are not vocal and expressive. They seem almost "secretive" therefore, it is possible to misunderstand their true plans or viewpoints. I read Chinese media such as GLOBAL TIMES, CCTV, XINHUA, Peoples' daily etc.
I do not find any articles offensive or hateful towards India. In fact, I found some positive articles about India. Whatever little experience I had over the years meeting Chinese students, coworkers, neighbors etc. I found them shy, introvert, law abiding and very hardworking.
How to know real plans or intentions of China if there is so little communication ? As for Pakis, to me it appears that they seems to over exaggerate their ties to China to deal with their fear of India.
In order to run correct foreign policy, India need to truly understand Chinese nature and plans and not just believe western point view that Chinese are "evil" or "untrustworthy". Indians should do their own research about Chinese people and their culture.
 

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@prohumanity
, India need to truly understand Chinese nature and plans and not just believe western point
I understand the need for peace but arent we always the victim of paralysis by analysis mode?
Take for an instance
China preaches peace...then sends her troop across the border, they have a picnic out there, what about using Pak against India? Do you think these are not true intentions?

Imo India should stop "analysing the possible " chinese characters their shyness their so called nature of being secretive but react according to what is portrayed and what we "learn as their larger intention".

If China is misunderstood, that is their problem. It is never our or any other countries problem if China cant communicate better and follow up it with their actions. They should have
compatible behaviour rather than try to get nirvana out of acting limbo.

India should react based on how she feels about a certain chinese posturing. Too much analysis wont yield nothing as China is good in making better of confusions. A state which uses "deception" as their prime strategy means - decieving as their principle mode.

China or Chinese citizens their culture or how they behave can never be matched upto their Commie Gods whose prime purpose is expansionsim.

I agree on your point about Pakistan. Seems like Pakistan will soon become a burden for China.
 
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Don't forget the historical fact that Pakistan was used against India by West for over 60 years. Rendering Pakistan useless for the West and/or China should be India's number 1 priority . Paki nature is not going to change as it's like a prostitute who loses one big customer immediately tries to find another big customer. Don't worry about the customers...watch the prostitute and do something to make her useless...if she is no more useful ...customers will have to stop using her. IMO, China or US are not the real problem...real culprit is Pakistan who infilterated terrorists and tried to destabilize India.
Apology for being graphic but there is no other simpler way of depicting this reality.
 

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:rofl: Indians r so hilarious. Their favourite is set up a Chinese strawman, who's upset, and churlish with heartburn for Indo- US Bhai Bhai, then Indians would shoot the imaginary bogeyman as much as they like.
The only one who wets their pants at Indo-US bogeyman and cries about containment is the Chinese government and its online stooges.

First of all has there been a sober assessment of what substance India has gained from this hooooray? Climate change? investment? NSG? UNSC? Military t&t / sales? Freedom of navigation through the Indian Ocean?
Who made claims of any gains? Again, its China who warns and whines about India should not fall into some 'trap'. Go expand on that and we can all have a good laugh. :lol:

China can block India from NSG and UNSC P-seat at will and loses not a dime out of your cozy-up. See? Americans have repeatedly raised their voice against Chinese on China Seas. But Chinese build-up and surveillance just intensifies day by day in defiance. Similarly business as usual with the string of pearls strategy.
UNSC technically. NSG not so much really. Practically speaking, if US really pushed for it, neither. Then again, we get all or most benefits without signing restrictive treaties, so what's the hurry.

Build up all you want, its after all your paranoia. Defiance? A little child with misperceived conceptions of oppression uses such language. But then, that's what China is. :rotflmao:

'String of pearls' that's so :rofl:

Then who shall be anxious? Check who rushed to Delhi right before Obama's R-Day visit and inked numerous deals incl. building 12 n-plants? It's definitely Putin. US has already overtaken Russia in arms export to India. Now additionally US and India have reached the first commercial agreement on civilian nuclear power. Who is likely to lose the most in the competition? Russia of course! So, China only needs to sit tight and watch the Indian art of balancing US and Russia out or simply distancing Russians?! :pound: As a saying goes [One slave cannot serve two masters]. Chinese will always come out winners with Rus-Pak-China getting even closer!
Business and anxiety are different. Not sure you people can comprehend the difference. Was Putin not scheduled to visit long before Obama visit was announced?

Get closer all you want, stop whining like a little girl to other countries and handing childish advice, okay?
 
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