China and the United States Are Preparing for War

[CCP]

If that be so, then why bother to post an inane comment?

History books will speak of Independent Xinjiang, if not Tibet and it will not be of India's bidding.

It is because the Muslim world will bulldoze China back to its original borders.

To reply your inane comment.

 

[Ray]

To reply your inane comment.

You are right, it takes you tonnes and tonnes of intelligence to understand what I write and you have a huge deficit.

That is why you remain clueless, hapless and discombobulated.

 

[CCP]

China is 3rd largest importer of arms, and 10-12 years ago you were the top importers of arms like we are today, doen't mean we dont have a defence industry, its not up to that level where we can meet all the requirements of our armed forces, long way to go.

So don't lol, every homegrown defence industry needs time to mature. You'll see similar trend of larger R&D spending when India's economy grows larger.

How many time you need?
Now is almost 70 years after your independence, and you still need to import rifle, bullet and shell.

 

[CCP]

You are right, it takes you tonnes and tonnes of intelligence to understand what I write and you have a huge deficit.

That is why you remain clueless and hapless.

Well, I provided links and evidences to back my points.

You can point out any mistake I made, base on links and evidence or explanations.

 

[CCP]

LOL.We are legally buying it from our own money ,oops one country don't know what is legal it knows only stealing & copy paste

LOL, You are legally buying things you unable to copy.

You forget how you copy medicines and textbooks?

 

[Illusive]

How many time you need?
Now is almost 70 years after your independence, and you still need to import rifle, bullet and shell.

RIght i forgot, trolling is a profession for some in China.

 

[Ray]

Insight: China builds its own military-industrial complex

When China turned to Russia for supplies of advanced weapons through the 1990s, it kick-started Beijing's military build-up with an immediate boost in firepower.

It also demonstrated the failure of its domestic defense sector which was still turning out obsolete 1950s vintage equipment for the People's Liberation Army from a sprawling network of state-owned arms makers.

Now, after more than two decades of soaring military spending, this once backward industry has been transformed -- China is creating its own military-industrial complex, with the private sector taking a leading role.

With Tiananmen-era bans on Western military sales to China still in place, an innovative and efficient domestic arms industry is crucial for Beijing as it assembles a modern military force capable of enforcing claims over Taiwan and disputed maritime territories.

China has locked horns recently with its Southeast Asian neighbors over conflicting claims to strings of islets in the South China Sea. Tensions have also flared with Japan over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea, even as the United States executes a strategic military pivot towards the Pacific.

Well funded defense groups have rapidly absorbed the technology and expertise needed to build complex weapons, freeing China from its former heavy reliance on Russian and other foreign equipment, Chinese and Western experts say.

"A country's defense sector should reflect the strength of the country's economy," says Wu Da, a portfolio manager at Beijing-based Changsheng Fund Management Co Ltd which invests in listed Chinese defense stocks.

But, he adds, the sector is so shrouded in secrecy it's been hard to assess how viable it is.

"Some of the Chinese defense groups are already quite strong after so much military spending in recent years but you don't know exactly how well they are doing financially or technologically because China does not want others to know."

That could start to change.

INJECTING ASSETS

Beijing is enlisting the private sector to accelerate the rise of its best defense contractors, issuing new guidelines in July aimed at encouraging private investment in a sector traditionally sheltered from competition and public scrutiny.

Listed subsidiaries of top Chinese military contractors now intend to buy at least 20 billion yuan ($3.15 billion) in assets from their state-owned parents in the second half, according to their recent filings with the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges.

This would double the value of military related assets injected into these listed companies since 2007 with more in the pipeline, as Beijing presses ahead with an ambitious program to privatize most of a vast arms industry employing more than a million workers at more than 1,000 state-owned enterprises.

The long term goal is to transform some of the leading contractors, such as China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation into homegrown versions of American giants Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman or Britain's BAE Systems.

AVIC, which is aiming to quadruple its sales to one trillion yuan ($157.7 billion) by 2020 from 250 billion yuan in 2011, plans to inject 80 percent of its main businesses into some of its listed companies by the end of next year.

Beijing has made repeated calls to speed up listings of all but the most sensitive military businesses. The authorities have also promised to allow public bidding for unclassified and minor defense contracts in a sector that is likely to enjoy strong growth if China continues its sustained military build-up.

China's top 10 defense groups with estimated combined assets of 2 trillion yuan ($315 billion) have listed more than 70 subsidiaries, including over 40 with defense-related businesses. About 25 per cent of the assets of the top 10 are now held in the listed companies, according to market analysts.

Some of these stocks have been strong performers. Sustained military outlays and the expectation of asset injections have insulated them from the country's current economic slowdown. They also tend to spike in price at times of increased tension between China and its neighbors over disputed territory.

The plan to buy more of their parent's military related assets would allow these listed companies to raise extra funds for research and development, the companies say.

AVIC subsidiary Hafei Aviation Industry Co Ltd plans to issue shares this year to buy 3.3 billion yuan ($520.5 million) in assets from its parent, including helicopter manufacturing companies.

"AVIC's injection of (its) helicopter business into the listed company will be a key experiment of China's strategic upgrade and transformation of its domestic defense and science industry," Hafei said in a July prospectus.

FALLING MILITARY IMPORTS

The growth of the domestic arms industry has allowed China to steadily reduce military imports. International arms transfer figures from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) show China's defense imports fell 58 per cent between 2007 and 2011.

In this period, China slipped to fourth place in the ranks of global arms buyers after holding top position in the five years to 2006.

"The PLA has clearly turned away from acquiring foreign developed platforms," says Scott Harold, a China analyst for the Santa Monica, California-based Rand Corporation.

After double digit, annual increases in outlays over most of the last 20 years, China's military spending is now second only to the United States.

In March, Beijing announced its defense budget for this year would increase 11.2 per cent to $106 billion but some foreign analysts believe this understates the country's overall military budget.

In its annual report on the Chinese military, the Pentagon in May estimated Beijing's total 2012 spending would be between $120 billion and $180 billion. Washington will spend $614 billion on its military this year.

Private data analyst, IHS Jane's Defense Budgets, forecasts that Beijing's annual outlays will reach almost $240 billion by 2015, more than the combined budgets of all nations in the Asia Pacific region and four times Japan's military spending.

About 30 per cent of China's military budget goes to weapons and equipment, according to Beijing's most recent defense White Paper published last year.

CASH OVERCOMES INEFFICIENCIES

Military experts say that alongside reorganization and streamlining launched in the late 1990s, this avalanche of cash has sharply improved the output from key sectors of the Chinese defense industry despite the inefficiencies of many big state-owned companies, widespread corruption and a lack of official or public oversight.

"There is just something about money, and the more of it the better," says Rand Corp's Harold.

Russian weapons, including Su-27 fighters, Kilo-class submarines and Sovremenny-class cruisers, remain some of the PLA's most potent hardware.

However, some Chinese-made equipment is now thought to be comparable to their Russian or Western counterparts, military experts say, although they acknowledge that accurate information about the performance of PLA weapons remains scarce.

Over the last decade, China has launched two classes of locally designed and built conventional submarines that are now the mainstays of the PLA's underwater fleet.

It has also built versions of the Su-27 combat aircraft and begun mass production of its J-10 fighter that some experts rank with the U.S.-made F-16 in performance. China reportedly has developed its first stealth fighter, the J-20, but details of its capabilities remain unclear.

Chinese factories also appear to have made rapid progress in developing a range of advanced missiles. These include up to 1,000 ballistic and cruise missiles deployed against Taiwan and new mobile launchers for the PLA's nuclear weapons.

Even in more basic equipment, China's arms industry appears to have made significant improvements. In little over a decade, shabby uniforms and poor quality footwear have been replaced with smart, comfortable looking camouflage uniforms, lightweight helmets and solid combat boots.

Ground troops carry new assault rifles and small arms, while modern tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery have been introduced to replace equipment derived from Soviet designs of the 1950s.

Arms trade experts conclude that China's factories are now capable of satisfying most of the PLA's needs - and that of other nations as well.

In the 10 years to 2011, China's foreign military sales increased 95 per cent, making it the sixth largest arms supplier behind the UK, SIPRI figures show. Sales of jet fighters, warships and tanks to political ally Pakistan, however, account for much of this increase.

TECHNOLOGY WEAKNESS

Despite clear progress, some glaring weaknesses remain in Chinese defense technology, military experts say.

The PLA still appears reliant on imports of high performance jet engines from Russia for its most advanced fighters despite decades of research and development aimed at developing local power plants.

It also depends on dual-use, imported engine technology from Europe for its warships, submarines and armored vehicles.

Domestic aerospace companies have so far been unable to build big military transport aircraft that are important for military mobility in a country as big as China. These companies also remain heavily dependent on European, U.S. and Russian designs and technology for locally built helicopters.

Beijing is pinning its hopes on competitive market forces to help close these gaps as it continues its military spending spree.

That means more business for listed arms makers such as China Shipbuilding Industry Ltd which raised 8 billion yuan ($1.26 billion) in May from a convertible bond issue to buy military assets from its parent, the giant China Shipbuilding Industry Corp.

"With the construction of our country's navy steadily pushed forward, we expect our company's income from defense business to keep increasing," the company said in a May stock exchange statement.

Insight: China builds its own military-industrial complex | Reuters

China is doing well.

EU states strike lucrative military contracts with China overriding embargo

April 30, 2014

Europe is powering the military rise of China, approving multi-million dollar deals for the transfer of weapons and dual-use technology – despite an arms embargo stemming from the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, AFP reveals.

China is the world's second largest military spender and the fastest growing military market, with Beijing setting aside $132 billion in defense spending. While they are yet to touch the US' massive $495.6 billion defense budget, China recently announced they would increase military spending by 12.2 percent for 2014.

"It will take China a long, long time before its budgets will effectively alter the military balance with the US," Jonathan Holslag of the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China Studies, recently told Stars and Stripes.

"But that's not the main concern. While the US still has some scope to respond, neighbors are getting much more nervous"¦ Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines all know that they could be the first victim if the balance of power shifts at America's detriment."

Although Western partners in the East are skittish about China's rise, Europe seemingly cannot resist the allure of Beijing's billions.

French designed helicopters bolstering China's air force, British jet engines driving fighter bombers and anti-ship strike aircraft, German and French engines providing the rudder to the Chinese navy – the role European exports play in China's military is undeniable.

"Without European technology, the Chinese navy would not be able to move," Andrei Chang, editor of the Hong Kong-based Kanwa Asian Defense Review, told AFP.

EU weapons manufactures received licenses to export equipment worth three billion euros ($4.1 billion) to China in the decade to 2012, annual EU reports on trade reveal.

The most recent document said arms exports totaling 173 million euros were given the green light in 2012, 80 percent of which were issued by France. A French parliamentary report said the country delivered arms to China worth 104 million euros.

"Already, cynics claim that if the People's Liberation Army went to war tomorrow, it would employ an arsenal filled with equipment from Germany, France and Britain," Emil Kirchner, an EU policy expert at Britain's University of Essex, told said.

Are exports legal with embargo in place?
The European Union imposed an arms embargo on China following the killing of hundreds, if not thousands of protesters during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Analysts, however, say EU states have free will to interpret the embargo as they choose, a reality which has generated tension with the United States.

An EU spokesman said in a statement that "the final decision to authorize or deny the (arms) export is the responsibility of EU member states."

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), which monitors arms transfers, estimates that France, Britain and Germany account for 18 percent of Chinese military imports. Russia still provides the bulk of military hardware exports to China.

At the heart of China's military modernization is its powerful new submarine fleet, which relies on state-of-the-art diesel engines designed by MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH of Friedrichshafen, Germany.

For Western states, these exports can impact the security of their allies. In January 2013, tensions nearly boiled over after a Jiangwei-class Chinese frigate locked fire-control radar on a Japanese Maritime Self-Defense destroyer and a helicopter near the disputed Senkaku/ Diaoyu Islands.

Military experts believe the ship relies on diesel engines produced by German firm MTU, AFP reports.

Another Chinese ship, a Jiangkai-class vessel, uses engines made by SEMT Pielstick, a French diesel engine manufacturer owned by German firm MAN Diesel and Turbo, according to analysts and specifications posted on Chinese military websites.

MAN told AFP that its Chinese licensees have supplied about 250 engines to China's navy. MTU said it "acts strictly according to the German export laws," without elaborating.

Meanwhile, in March Airbus Helicopters and China's Avicopter Рthe helicopter business unit of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) Рpenned a joint agreement for the production of 1,000 new generation EC175/AC352 rotorcraft at the Elys̩e Palace in Paris. Chinese President Xi Jinping and French President Francois Hollande were present for the signing.

Citing the co-production deal signed in France, Chang said: "China uses the name of civil purchase to purchase French helicopter engines, and they shift those engines into military helicopters.

If (China) knows how to design the middle-sized EC175, they will know how to design a middle-sized military transport helicopter."

Meanwhile, the Netherlands is also behind 18 million euros' worth of "vessels of war" or their accessories and components, while the acquisition of a British-made Airborne Early Warning (AEW) platform for the latest Chinese surveillance aircraft has provided a boost to the People's Liberation Army Air Force.

The Chinese defense ministry has previously said reports of the People's Liberation Army dependence on foreign arms technology are exaggerated. "According to international practice, China is also engaged in communication and cooperation with some countries in the area of weaponry development," the ministry said in a statement responding to this series. "Some people have politicized China's normal commercial cooperation with foreign countries, smearing our reputation."
EU states strike lucrative military contracts with China overriding embargo - report — RT News

China is doing even better.

European booster assist.

But note -"Some people have politicized China's normal commercial cooperation with foreign countries, smearing our reputation."

They 'cooperate ' and that is a nice word for import.

Saves Chinese face!

 

[CCP]

LOL Medicines&textbooks, yup we are not Super power where parents afraid to buy even INFANT BABY MILK POWDER from store

Really? if you google it for India, you can find even more good stories.

BTW, how many Indian were killed by fake alcohol?

 

[Ray]

LOL, You are legally buying things you unable to copy.

You forget how you copy medicines and textbooks?

Reverse engineering that you have the sole patent for and then passing off as original!

and

Chinese military officials charged with stealing US data as tensions escalate

Chinese military officials charged with stealing US data as tensions escalate | Technology | The Guardian

 

[Ray]

LOL, You are legally buying things you unable to copy.

You forget how you copy medicines and textbooks?

Reverse engineering that you have the sole patent for and then passing off as original!

and

Chinese military officials charged with stealing US data as tensions escalate

Chinese military officials charged with stealing US data as tensions escalate | Technology | The Guardian

"The thief, as will become apparent, was a special type of thief. This thief was an artist of theft. Other thieves merely stole everything that was not nailed down, but this thief stole the nails as well."
"• Terry Pratchett, Sourcery

 

[CCP]

Reverse engineering that you have the sole patent for and then passing off as original!

and

Well, Chinese "copied" products are selling to all countries, but Indian copied medicines are banned.

 

[Ray]

Well, Chinese "copied" products is selling to all countries, but Indian copied medicines are banded.

Cheap things sell. That is the universal truth.

What is 'banded'?

Are you aware that China buys a whole lot of anti cancer drug from India?

But the issue is that China can never do anything legal. It smuggles it to China.

 

[CCP]

Cheap things sell. That is the universal truth.

What is 'banded'?

Are you aware that China buys a whole lot of anti cancer drug from India?

Banned mean you will go to jail for you selling Indian copied medicine.

A couple was sentenced for 3 years jail for selling Indian copied medicine in China last month.
夫妻代购被诉 开淘宝店卖印度抗癌药面临刑罚_国内_新闻_泸州新闻网
http://money.163.com/13/1009/16/9AOOSTBO00253B0H.html

 

[CCP]

Criminals are every where but our media is free,they show it and criminals send to jail.Where as one country don't have any free media/judiciary.Simply suppress everything.Can i post Child toys/pet food/mfd eggs....so on

P.S: Stop trolling the thread is about u&usa.

Well, you should stop trolling here.

 

[Ray]

Band mean you will go to jail for you selling Indian copied medicine.

A couple was sentenced for 3 years jail by selling Indian copied medicine in China last month.
夫妻代购被诉 开淘宝店卖印度抗癌药面临刑罚_国内_新闻_泸州新闻网
网购印度抗癌药国内卖 男子因销售假药罪被判刑_网易财经

Band means

band1
band/Submit
noun
1.
a flat, thin strip or loop of material, used as a fastener, for reinforcement, or as decoration.
"wads of banknotes fastened with gummed paper bands"
synonyms: belt, sash, girdle, strap, tape, ring, hoop, loop, circlet, circle, cord, tie, string, thong, ribbon, fillet, strip; literarycincture
"she wore a scarlet band round her waist"
a plain ring for the finger, especially a gold wedding ring.
"a narrow band of gold was her only jewellery"
ORNITHOLOGYNORTH AMERICAN
a ring of metal placed round a bird's leg to identify it.
"look for a leg band on the osprey"
a belt or strap transmitting motion between two wheels or pulleys.
a collar with two hanging strips, worn by certain lawyers, clerics, and academics as part of their formal dress.
"I'm wearing clerical bands, which are a sign of my office"
2.
a stripe, line, or elongated area of a different colour, texture, or composition from its surroundings.
"a long, narrow band of cloud"
synonyms: stripe, strip, streak, line, bar, belt, swathe, vein, thread, flash; More
a narrow stratum of rock or coal.
"the band of limestone continues north on the same contour"
3.
a range of values or a specified category within a series (used especially in financial contexts).
"your home was placed in one of eight valuation bands"
a range of frequencies or wavelengths in a spectrum.
"channels in the UHF band"
any of several groups into which school pupils of the same age are divided on the basis of broadly similar ability.
"the top band of pupils"
4.
archaic
a thing that restrains, binds, or unites.
"must I fall, and die in bands?"
verb
verb: band; 3rd person present: bands; past tense: banded; past participle: banded; gerund or present participle: banding
1.
provide or fit (an object) with something in the form of a strip or ring, for reinforcement or decoration.
"doors are banded with iron to make them stronger"
ORNITHOLOGYNORTH AMERICAN
put a band on (a bird) for identification.
"the map shows where starlings banded in Holland were later recovered"
2.
mark (something) with a stripe or stripes of a different colour.
"the bird's bill is banded across the middle with black"

You have many to jail in any case including the poachers of animal for Chinese medicine who are a threat to the ecology.

That is apart from the Corrupt communists who are being targeted by Xi.

You have much to do and help Xi clean up China.

 

[santosh10]

"Rules of Civilization", the Rights of every Human Taking Birth in World

this is not the world, time of colonization, ruling those parts of world where US doesn't share voting rights in their parliamentary democratic election. we have many weapons to destroy this world many times, and we all have to live here altogether, we all know.

and if US and their allies dont stop til a certain time, then eventually we all will fall in a thorough war in whole world, which will be mainly fought for religion/race/identity/language/belief etc....

if in case US try to 'colonize' any part of the world, then the "Rules of Civilization" states that the colonized people have ever right to 'kill' the colonizers. a certain right, every single human has since birth :thumb:

we have to remain 'Civilized Enough', and the US and their allies have to learn it. without sharing 'equal' voting rights in any part of world, they may interfere there as 'friends' only :thumb:

 

[CCP]

Why should i troll,no one gives me 50 cents to troll

I dont know, but losers like to troll.

 

[no smoking]

If they think nukes are necessary ,who knows.Filthy failed countries like Pork!stan&Nkorea have nukes, why can't others...

Because only fools would think nuke can help in the conflicts over these tiny islands.

Read it carefully,India is the only country in the world which has robust front/back end good relations& support from tech/arms super powers like US,Rus,Isr,UK.If India wants it can easily import any weapon/arms from anywhere,but u can't .

So, India should be very happy about its current position of world number one weapon importer. But your countrymen seem not agree with you.

As far as mfg of weapons,we started just now wait &see

It is 16 years now since India's last nuclear test in 1998. WE ARE STILL WAITING!

 

[sgarg]

You still don't get it: we don't care how a terrible life Pakistan people is living. That is their government's concern, not ours.
As long as they are willing to stand up against India, we will keep helping them.


Also, let me remind you, China was even more socialist until 1978.
At the time, China VS India:
total GDP: 214.2b VS 135.8b
GDP per capita: 224 VS 204

India was socialist till 1990. India was NOT communist. There is a difference between communism and socialism.

I agree that China is a better manufacturing machine compared to India. India has one third of the land area of China which makes a difference in resources.

China's support to Pakistan is destroying Pakistan. Pakistan's government is trying for something which it cannot get, something it is not capable for.

USSR got broke up after meddling in Afghanistan. China will be after meddling in Pakistan. The communist government of China will be destroyed due to Pakistan.

 

[sgarg]

Because only fools would think nuke can help in the conflicts over these tiny islands.

So, India should be very happy about its current position of world number one weapon importer. But your countrymen seem not agree with you.

It is 16 years now since India's last nuclear test in 1998. WE ARE STILL WAITING!

Weapon imports is NOT an issue. China was also importing heavily a few years back.
No country makes everything in today's world. The globalized economy works in weapons too.

India WILL NOT test again, at least in near future as there are no plans to test.
India DOES NOT BELIEVE in nuclear proliferation. There is NO POSSIBILITY of transfer of nuclear knowhow from India.