China False Paradise

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China's child labour

[video]21 Century slavery China's child labour[/video]

I saw a post indicating horrors of Indian women.

Check what a paradise China is.

 

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Only way to keep the price of products low !

 

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There are issues in all countries, but I love the way the Chinese here gloat about how humane, error free (unlike others as they love to point out) China is.

But then they are genetically construct hypocrites.

 

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China's child labour

[video]21 Century slavery China's child labour[/video]

I saw a post indicating horrors of Indian women.

Check what a paradise China is.

there are labor issues in china where worker work 12hr etc. however, those worker work there willingly, make about 2000yuan/month, doesn't mean its ok to work that long hr in harsh condition but they chose to have a job then live in a poverty stricken town. as for child labor its against china law, if its found the owner is pretty much punished, especially in recent years. doesn't meant there aren't any greedy ceo dont use child labor.
so yes in term of women rights, china is better. Mao give woman the same right as men after PRC established.

 

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China's child labour

[video]21 Century slavery China's child labour[/video]

I saw a post indicating horrors of Indian women.

Check what a paradise China is.

these videos are old videos or vidoes citing old pictures. And there are so many pics from India and other poor nations, why are they labeled as China child labor"？？？？？？？ even for those few pics on Chinese children, I have seen the same pictures/videos over and over again for 10 years, which are pasted on forums, social network by Chinese liberals or Democrats or even foreign-sponsored organizations to make ppl hate the government. They just want to use old pictures/videos to make ppl unhappy and hate CCP. Before, many Chinese netizens would like to spread such pictures/videos on social network coz they are totally shocked and angry, but now they have become calm coz more and more current situation has been exposed and they know what is the current reality.


While child labor is widespread in India, as you know, child labor in China has been breaking news now.
And for these rare cases, these kids are usually doing in summer vocation to obtain some extra money, or kids who don't want to go to school. And they are usually above 14 or 16 years old.

 

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these videos are old videos or vidoes citing old pictures. I have seen the same pictures/videos over and over again for 10 years, which are pasted on forums, social network by Chinese liberals or Democrats or even foreign-sponsored organizations to make ppl hate the government. They just want to use old pictures/videos to make ppl unhappy and hate CCP. Before, many Chinese netizens would like to spread such pictures/videos on social network coz they are totally shocked and angry, but now they have become calm coz more and more current situation has been exposed and they know what is the current reality.


While child labor is widespread in India, as you know, child labor in China has been breaking news now.
And for these rare cases, these kids are usually doing in summer vocation to obtain some extra money, or kids who don't want to go to school. And they are usually above 14 or 16 years old.

Old or new, it still thrives in China.

Give us another fairy tale that these don't exist in China.

As China's Economy Grows, So does China's Child Labour Problem

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10 June, 2005
Child labour in China is hardly a new phenomenon. For years, despite official regulations banning the employment of minors (defined by Chinese law as those under sixteen years of age), teenagers and even pre-adolescents from poorer regions of China have been drawn to the rapidly developing southern and coastal areas looking for work. For this army of juvenile labourers, employment is readily available in the workshops and factories (and to a lesser extent related industries, such as food service) that are at the heart of China's economic boom. A recent People's Daily Report cites an investigation undertaken by the government agency in charge of monitoring labour conditions in Shandong province's Jinan City. According to the report, the use of juvenile labour is most prevalent in the following industries: Toy production, textiles, construction, food production, and light mechanical work. Concerning the latter, the report concludes that child labour is particularly in demand because children have smaller hands and eyesight undamaged by years of labour, making them more desirable than adults for certain kinds of work.
More often than not, parents of juvenile workers have little choice but to send their children off to work; as school fees increase beyond the means of most rural families, educational opportunities for rural children grow increasingly dim. Further, the earnings of children, however meager, represent a substantial portion of much-needed income to poor families. Parents of juvenile labourers rarely have a clear idea of the adverse working conditions and physical risks inherent in industrial work. Moreover, the juvenile workers learn themselves are often reluctant to complain, knowing well the critical nature of their financial contributions to the family.

Underage labourers are particularly vulnerable to job related hazards resulting in injury and death, and this is because they tend to be less aware of workplace hazards than do adult workers. An adult working in a coal miner is generally aware of perilous conditions in which they work; a child working in a factory, on the other hand, is usually less aware of the dangers they face, making their situation all the more hazardous. Furthermore, while adult and juvenile labourers both shoulder similar burdens of financial contribution to the family, the workplace injury or death of a minor brings an even greater degree of bereavement and psychological damage to loved ones.

A report issued by Human Rights in China (Home | Human Rights in China 中国人权 | HRIC) in March of this year documented the tragic case of five adolescent girls who appeared to have been poisoned by carbon monoxide smoke from a coal brazier lit in the confines of their cramped factory sleeping quarters. In an attempt to hide culpability for the girl's deaths, the panicked factory manager ordered that the bodies be disposed of immediately; later investigation revealed that two of the girls had likely been buried alive. Even among a Chinese public increasingly used to news of workplace tragedy, the egregiously grim nature of this case sparked outrage and gained widespread media coverage throughout China and abroad.

For better or worse, this case and others like it continue to shed light on the increasing problem of child labour and the adverse working conditions faced by child workers in China. Even the People's Daily, once reticent to cover potentially sensitive issues, has written extensively on the issue of child labour (1).

Few parents understand the dangers of allowing their children to enter the workforce. This low awareness in the public about child safety and protection provides a breeding ground for both exploitation and potential disaster. In late 2003, a reporter from Guangzhou's Southern Metropolis Newspaper did investigating child labour visited a local textile factory and found workers as young as twelve years old working as much as sixteen hours per day, more during peak production season. When the reporter asked to see the young worker's sleeping quarters, they replied that the cramped 200-square meter workshop was it, and that at night they slept on or under their worktables. (2) Far from being an anomaly, the reporter found similar conditions in other nearby factories. Surveying various sites around the industrial area, the reporter wrote that the area was filled with heaps of leftover textile scraps mixed with trash, presenting a great fire hazard. The reporter felt that the entire area was "ripe for catastrophe."

Another article published in the same paper on August 11th, 2004 concerned a primary school headmaster in Guangdong province's Huizhuo city. This headmaster was found employing students from his school in a private toy factory which he owned (3). According to the report, local labour and commercial officials found thirty-five juveniles between the ages of eight and sixteen working in the "headmaster's" factory. When informed of the illegality of his actions, the headmaster seemed surprised, and claimed to merely be offering the students an opportunity to earn money. As for the physical risk that factory work posed to his students, the headmaster said that he "would sooner risk his own life than that of one of the students."

We have to ask ourselves how the general public can hope to be made aware of the dangers of child labour when someone like a school headmaster, clearly responsible for the protection and education of children, could be so oblivious. Unfortunately, the issue is more complex, as one of the factors leading to the rise in child labour in China is the corresponding rise in school fees. While it's natural to see this headmaster as unscrupulously using his position for personal profit, it is also possible that rising costs and a virtual cessation of academic subsidies from the government made the operation of a small, privately owned factory seem to him a logical way of helping his students to continue their educations. Without further information, it is impossible to know for sure, but taking into account the dismantling of China's once-free socialist education system, either case is a possibility.

As various sources within the Chinese media have pointed out, documenting occupational health and safety problems among child labourers is inherently difficult because Chinese labour law bans child labour. One newly passed regulation makes the hiring of a minor punishable by a fine of 5000 Yuan per worker (cumulative per month of employ) and suspension of the employer's operating license. Other laws criminalize the placing of underage workers in potentially hazardous situations and forced bonding of a child for the purpose of labour (3). The problem lies not so much with regulation but lack of enforcement. Indeed, despite stiffer penalties, the problem of child labour has only become more serious in recent years. A growing economy coupled with a growing economic disparity provides a fertile ground for exploitation of societies most vulnerable members. Local governments, in a headlong rush to woo manufacturers into their districts are often reticent to enforce regulations against child labour, which might act as an impediment to local economic growth.

The problem of juvenile labour in China is far too multifaceted to be summarized in black and white terms. To address these complexities, we suggest that further and deeper studies into the root causes of the problem be carried out. We see these root causes as being a growing economic disparity in China, a rapidly changing social structure, and a failure of the Chinese educational system to provide adequate and affordable education to all children. Until these issues are addressed, it is our belief that the problem of child labour in China will continue to grow, and as it does incidents involving the injury and death of juvenile workers will continue.

As China's Economy Grows, So does China's Child Labour Problem | China Labour Bulletin

 

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@esolve

How much must you hoodwink yourself and hoodwink all here.

So, all this news if Old?

How about this?

Child Labor in China
by Luke Dzierzanowski
November 2010[

Child slave labor is a tremendous problem in the world; and the largest country in the world, in terms of population, is one of the places that are guilty of this horrific practice. The country being referred to is China. As a matter of fact there are several industries in China that use child slave laborers. Some of the industries that use child slave labor are: the brick industry, the toy industry, the coal industry, the cotton industry, the tile industry, the electronic industry, the foundry industry, the grape industry, and the fireworks industry. Many children in China are forced to work in sweatshops for these industries; where they are exploited by money hungry business owners. They are treated horribly by the managers of the factories and are never given the respect they deserve.

While all of the previously mentioned industries have used child slave labor, a select few stand out for consistently using it. There has been sufficient evidence found to prove that there is a consistent use of child slave labor in the brick industry, the toy industry, the electronics industry, and the foundry industry.

The brick industry is a major industry in China. It is also a major child slave labor industry. There was a breakthrough in 2007 when police in China caught 168 people who ran brick kiln factories and treated their workers like slaves. The workers were kept under appalling conditions and many of them were children. Of the people detained, 48 of them were in the Shanxi province and the rest were in Henan, which is next to Shanxi. Luckily, these workers (over 5,000) were given some of the justice they deserved. They were freed, the bosses were detained, and they were each given 1,000 yaun (which is equivalent to 131.20 dollars).

In America, we see the words "Made in China" almost everywhere, but especially on toys and electronics. One can go to a McDonalds and get a toy with their meal that's made in China or one can go to an electronics store and find countless things that are made in China. As a matter of fact, one can find many toys and electronics made in China by simply going through a couple of items in their household. For example, I just scanned my desk for a toy. I came across a noise putty called "Flarp!" and sure enough it is made in China. Sadly, many of these items which we are so used to are made by child slave laborers. For the toy industry there is evidence of child slave labor in many different places. Some of the places where child slave labor has been discovered are: Shenzhen and Dongguan (both are located in the province of Guangdong), Shanghai and Zhejiang Province. Most of the other locations are also located in Southeast Asia. For the electronic industry, child slave labor consistently occurs in two provinces which remain unnamed.

The last industry in China with a proven and consistent use of child slave laborers is the foundry industry. A foundry is a factory where metal castings are produced. Child slave labor in this industry occurs in the provinces of Shanxi, Guangdong, and Fushan.

Child slave labor is a horrific practice. It involves taking young children and forcing them to work under extreme conditions. The extreme conditions include being: "routinely required to take compulsory overtime work of long hours without being compensated at the legal overtime rate, not being inscribed into the mandatory national social security schemes, not being paid promptly every month, and being provided with substandard dormitories and meals."

Even though those conditions seem horrible, they still don't fully describe the horror of being a child slave laborer. For example, here's a story about a brother and sister and their experience with child slave labor. Their names are Su Jinduo and Su Jinpeng. They were traveling home from Qingdao during the Chinese New Year when the unthinkable happened to them; they unknowingly became child slave laborers.

Before they had gotten all the way home, they were out of money. They were away from home and didn't know what to do; so when a woman offered to pay them to help her sell fruit they were ready to do some honest labor in order to get enough money to travel home. They did not receive what they signed up for though.

Soon, they were taken to the next province where they were forced to make bricks. They lived under poor and unfair conditions while working there. They were forced to work long hours and the simplest things were unfairly expensive. For example, if a child lost their bowl the child would have to pay for a new one, which was next to impossible to do on the low wages they received. Perhaps the most unfair price was the price for a single blanket. In exchange for a blanket the children had to pay 50 renminbi, which is equivalent to 6.50 dollars. For us that doesn't seem like much, but for a child slave laborer who gets paid barely enough to feed his or herself it is a fortune.

Su Jinduo had enough of it and he decided to escape. Yes, escape is the correct word. He was not simply allowed to walk out or quit, he had to literally escape from the factory. It turned out to be a great thing that he escaped because when he got home he notified his dad and he helped free Su Jinpeng.

Unfortunately, this story is not one of a kind. There are many similar stories of children being kidnapped into child slave labor. Not all of the other children are as lucky as Su Jinduo and Su Jinpeng though because many of them cannot escape. As a matter of fact, some of them are as young as 8 years old.

Not all of the child slave laborers in China are kidnapped though. Many of them willingly become a child slave laborer; but not because of the desire to become a slave. They simply have no other options in life. The saddening part is that once a child becomes a child slave laborer it is almost impossible for them to get another job. The wages are so low that the child has no ability to save money and eventually move up in society. Instead of working hard and becoming successful, they are destined to a life of slavery.

Not all children who work in China are child slave laborers. Just like in America many children have normal jobs and are treated like a human being should be. There are several working classes for children in China. They are: regular workers (zhengshi de gugong), casual workers (waichu banggong), household helpers (jiating banggong), apprentices, work-study students (qingong jianxue), and lastly, child slave laborers.

The first five categories are perfectly legal. Regular workers are children who have a stable job and a fixed income. Casual workers take jobs with irregular pay away from home; but they are not forced stay and they are paid fair wages. Household helpers are simply children who do work within their household. Apprentices help an older person and learn a trade from them and work-study students do limited work while studying. Then there is the category that needs to be erased; child slave laborers.

There are many ways an average person can help stop child slave labor. It all starts with being educated on child slave labor all around the world, not just in China. Go online and find a list of companies that use child slave laborers. Then, don't buy their products. Sometimes it will take a sacrifice and you will have to spend a little more money; but remember what you're spending a little extra money for. You're spending it in order to help eradicate one of the world's sickest realities; child slave labor.
IHS Child Slave Labor News :: Child Labor in China

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It exists and one cannot be an ostrich and wish it away.

 

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Old or new, it still thrives in China.

Give us another fairy tale that these don't exist in China.

if you read carefully, you will notice the year these authors mentioned are like 2005, 2007, even though one article was written in 2010.
Even for 2007 or 2005, child labor issues are still news but not common scene. The literacy rate of China is more than 95%, and espcially it could approach 100% for younger generation. This means children in China nearly all receive mandatary 9 year education in school.

while the literacy rate of India is only around 70%, which means a lot of Indian children are not in schools. And the schools in India is so terrible , as shown in this video:
TubeChop - China vs India - Race to the Top of the World - Documentary by BBC (02:53)

so it is easy to conclude that the child labors are widespread in India by logic, and proof:










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[Ray]

@esolve,

Child labour is universal and so will it be in India.

But for you Chinese pretending that there is no child labour in China is pure and unmitigated balderdash. And to add insult to injury, you continue to crank in your lyng through you teeth, unabashedly.

 

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@esolve,

Child labour is universal and so will it be in India.

But for you Chinese pretending that there is no child labour in China is pure and unmitigated balderdash. And to add insult to injury, you continue to crank in your lyng through you teeth, unabashedly.

We never said there is no single chila labor case in China. What I said is it is very rare cases in China nowadays, but In India is it very common, that is the difference

 

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We never said there is no single chila labor case in China. What I said is it is very rare cases in China nowadays, but In India is it very common, that is the difference

Oh yes, rare!

As rare as Noodles in China, right?

 

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Oh yes, rare!

As rare as Noodles in China, right?

as rare as breaking news.

 

[Ray]

as rare as breaking news.

Great that you remembered this poem.

That is news to me.

Break, Break, Break
BY ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON
Break, break, break,
On thy cold gray stones, O Sea!
And I would that my tongue could utter
The thoughts that arise in me.

O, well for the fisherman's boy,
That he shouts with his sister at play!
O, well for the sailor lad,
That he sings in his boat on the bay!

And the stately ships go on
To their haven under the hill;
But O for the touch of a vanish'd hand,
And the sound of a voice that is still!

Break, break, break
At the foot of thy crags, O Sea!
But the tender grace of a day that is dead
Will never come back to me.

 

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Great that you remembered this poem.

That is news to me.

As I told you, it could be breaking news. And if really there is a child labor case, a lot of journalists will be very happy coz they will have business. And then a lot of reports will appear on different media. people begin to criticize and curse the government. Government official and police will begin to take action, detain the employers and send these children back home. And then donation will flood into these children.

This year, there is a case. A child called Liujin Yang. He is an orphan. A TV program, in order to make a breaking news, told a lot of lies about him. In this program, Yang's life is very terrible: he is badly treated by his relatives and have to work in the fields after school, eat very terrible food and live in a shanty house. Then the government got involved. The society began to donate for him. You know how much donation he got? more than 5 million RMB (1 US dollar = 6 RMB). But, the audience and society got disappointed later, coz this program exaggerated a lot of things. Yang's life is not so terrible as shown in the TV program.

 

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As I told you, it could be breaking news. And if really there is a child labor case, a lot of journalists will be very happy coz they will have business. And then a lot of reports will appear on different media. people begin to criticize and curse the government. Government official and police will begin to take action, detain the employers and send these children back home. And then donation will flood into these children.

This year, there is a case. A child called Liujin Yang. He is an orphan. A TV program, in order to make a breaking news, told a lot of lies about him. In this program, Yang's life is very terrible: he is badly treated by his relatives and have to work in the fields after school, eat very terrible food and live in a shanty house. Then the government got involved. The society began to donate for him. You know how much donation he got? more than 5 million RMB (1 US dollar = 6 RMB). But, the audience and society got disappointed later, coz this program exaggerated a lot of things. Yang's life is not so terrible as shown in the TV program.

How much news comes out of China or even with China?

A totalitarian country that loathes the 100 Years of National Shame (and which they cannot hide), is going to open up the ills that plague China?

Wishful thinking.

 

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How much news comes out of China or even with China?

A totalitarian country that loathes the 100 Years of National Shame (and which they cannot hide), is going to open up the ills that plague China?

Wishful thinking.

Inside China, only news about political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution will be censored/deleted. Any other kind of news is freely propagated. And the media just love those dark side news coz it attracts attention and then profits from advertisement. You know how happy those journalists will be when they get those dark side news.
Outside China, news about political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution will be greatly/enormously propagated coz there are a lot of oppotions parties/dissidents. When there are not enough news, these ppl will create a bunch of fake news.

that's it.

 

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Inside China, only news about political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution will be censored/deleted. Any other kind of news is freely propagated. And the media just love those dark side news coz it attracts attention and then profits from advertisement. You know how happy those journalists will be when they get those dark side news.
Outside China, news about political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution will be greatly/enormously propagated coz there are a lot of oppotions parties/dissidents. When there are not enough news, these ppl will create a bunch of fake news.

that's it.

That is a fine fairy tale!

Check out the censorship aspect of China.

 

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That is a fine fairy tale!

Check out the censorship aspect of China.

I have told you that the censorship is towards the political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution
but still many ppl inside China know these issues coz social network can't cersor/delete such information on time
there is no need for the government to censor other issues nowadays.

 

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I have told you that the censorship is towards the political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution
but still many ppl inside China know these issues coz social network can't cersor/delete such information on time
there is no need for the government to censor other issues nowadays.

Tried Falun Gong?

Is that politics and power struggle?

Google?

Political power struggle?

Man, you take the cake with blind loyalty and closed eyes!

And you are the Champion of fibbing.

 

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Tried Falun Gong?

Is that politics and power struggle?

Google?

Political power struggle?

Man, you take the cake with blind loyalty and closed eyes!

And you are the Champion of fibbing.

Falungong is a combination of revolution and political power struggle.
There are some central government officials who used Falungong for power struggle.
Google, Facebook are banned coz they can be used to propogate political struggle among top leaders or corruption of those top leaders or news about revolution