China beats India by a huge margin

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Are you a Viet? If yes, accept my tribute to your 2 thousand years of heroic resistance to Hans a people who have swallowed large civilizations. But for Dai Viet, it would have expanded to SE Asia. I am simply amazed at such a glorious martial history.

As for topic, well India has remained intact and while it did not achieve much thanks to corrupt socialist Nehruvian regimes, it has still not performed to its best. I expect India to rise once tribal mentality in India gets down and we develop strength in core manufacturing araes like steel and auto. Narendra Modi has such a vision and if we combine it with a strong tie with Vietnam, we can outsmart some han moves in Asia.
And good education should be our key
 

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The fact is that Modi has no book such as Mein Kampf where he justifies massacres based on spurious categories of race and semitic nose. Infact, Modi has always bowed down to Muslims so I do not know what you are talking about.
No one could have said Hitler "frog" like Arjun Modavadhia did and move in a state ruled by him. BTW, what is your problem? Are you saying that just because some man got his car crashed when he was not drunk, the general correlation between being drunk and accidents simply does not hold water?
Why do I have a problem... This is a forum to exchange opinions and ideas. As a topic is discussed, it goes through a process of metaphorsis or evolution of some sort. Sometimes, it even got irrelevant to the topic at hand. Thats all. No biggie
 

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Yup I actually agree with you. Where in the world and in such a long history that people from other lands and so massively outnumbered, ruled over the people of one of the most populated land on earth.
You got it slightly wrong. The invaders were not as hugely outnumbered as there was no India. They fought with small feudal kingdoms which could bring only feudal levies. The point I made was that our governments never cared about our people because of poor economy. Political class is a parasitic class, because our country was backward, the class of elites had to resort to oppression to survive its existence and this coupled with their backwardness in administration, science and culture brought our doom.

I agree that we have worst record militarily , reason being low agro productivity which never allowed large kingdos or empires to flourish. Chinese productivity in 1100AD was better than Indian productivity in 1950s! This led to growth of clans and such tribal features in our polity. It is only now that the advent of social media has made it possible to talk about Growth and governance. I sincerely hope that we can throw away our legacy of poverty but let us see how many years Modi rules.
 

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Why do I have a problem... This is a forum to exchange opinions and ideas. As a topic is discussed, it goes through a process of metaphorsis or evolution of some sort. Sometimes, it even got irrelevant to the topic at hand. Thats all. No biggie
Well, let us wait and see how we evolve in coming years.
 

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And good education should be our key
Ofcourse, it should first infuse in Indians a sense of unity which has always been hampered by tribal loyalties of caste and region. HRD is key to development, just imagine a doctor coming from a tribal village and you will see upward mobility in that class too. I saw villages of Jharkhand which lived in Mauryan age in 21st century, once edu came, now they are talking about Delhi politics and most of them imagine being pilots and engineers even if edu is costly. If India can increase strength of manufacturing sector coupled with skill development, it can attain a satisfactory position.
 

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. Chinese productivity in 1100AD was better than Indian productivity in 1950s! .
I seriously doubt this. 1100AD is almost a thousand years ago vs 60 years ago...you got to be kidding
 

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We all know that not all Communist countries are the same just as not all democratic countries. All have a varied degree of success and failures. There are good and bad Communists just as there are good and bad free people. A communist nation with good governance are equally as good as a democratic country with good governance. Well, India is a democratic country with bad governance.
China is communist as much as a harlot is chaste . China is following a capitalist model combining it with bureaucratic despotism so typical of its history.
 

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Anyway, this is a very pleasant discussion, very different from the usual hostilities. And I got to catch some ZZZ...
 

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I seriously doubt this. 1100AD is almost a thousand years ago vs 60 years ago...you got to be kidding
Not at all. I do not have sources right now but I trust my memory. At that time, China was being ruled by Song dynasty in southern areas( north china was in hands of barbarians) and what I have read suggests that average productivity of rice was 1300Kgs per hectare. The very fact that China gave such administrative records is indication of its advancement. We do not have sources for India till British and Indian productivity of rice was less than 1300 kgs in a hectare in 1950s. You can check data.

China used seed drills 2 thousand years ago, I have seen nothing of that sort before Green revolution in Indian history.
 

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Anyway, this is a very pleasant discussion, very different from the usual hostilities. And I got to catch some ZZZ...
Ah yes. Pleasant debates are a joy though people do not really understand this.
 

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Not at all. I do not have sources right now but I trust my memory. At that time, China was being ruled by Song dynasty in southern areas( north china was in hands of barbarians) and what I have read suggests that average productivity of rice was 1300Kgs per hectare. The very fact that China gave such administrative records is indication of its advancement. We do not have sources for India till British and Indian productivity of rice was less than 1300 kgs in a hectare in 1950s. You can check data.

China used seed drills 2 thousand years ago, I have seen nothing of that sort before Green revolution in Indian history.
Yes this is true,the ancient Chinese civilization before Mongol wars was very advanced and probably the most advanced civilization then.However the Europeans along with the Chinese kept good records of their finances,taxes etc.Sadly in India kings could not keep records.This was bad for us as the land was either overtaxed or under taxed.When the British came to India they observed the lack of proper taxation and keeping of records in India.To be precise this was also one of the causes of the fall of Maratha empire and poverty in India.
 

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Of an estimated 140 developing counties India would make it just into the top 25 by my estimate for what was done between 1947 and 2014. Not the best but still good.
You are wrong,of the 140 developing countries India is at 91st position where as China is at 54th place...both are not in top 25
 

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Let's change this a bit and see whether it applies

Modi was product of populism combined with traditional hatred towards Muslims in India. Modi did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong extremist hindus and most importantly, fear created by China forced people to choose him as lesser evil.

Hmmm... the last part doesn't sound that so good or fitting


You mean to say that majority of Hindus are extremist ?

Besides there is no fear of China,If that was the case then we would have tightened our belt and worked hard and impoved our economy and standards of living.

Most of us don't care about China because we have left the fate of our country at the hands of the lord.
 

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Yes this is true,the ancient Chinese civilization before Mongol wars was very advanced and probably the most advanced civilization then.However the Europeans along with the Chinese kept good records of their finances,taxes etc.Sadly in India kings could not keep records.This was bad for us as the land was either overtaxed or under taxed.When the British came to India they observed the lack of proper taxation and keeping of records in India.To be precise this was also one of the causes of the fall of Maratha empire and poverty in India.
Look brother, the reason why our kingdoms did not keep records was because we did not have that centralised and well managed bureaucracy which itself is indication of poorer administrative set up. Our system was based on traditional caste and feudal loyalties. So while in China, we had officials recruited by exams( very tough ones) , Indians did it by appointing people of same caste or creed or some from a family with some martial background.

China remained most advanced civilizaton till 1400AD. Just see this painting from Bengal of 11th century



Now see this from Song age from same timeperiod. What a fine piece



A picture is worth thousand words as Chinese say so brilliantly.
 

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Look brother, the reason why our kingdoms did not keep records was because we did not have that centralised and well managed bureaucracy which itself is indication of poorer administrative set up. Our system was based on traditional caste and feudal loyalties. So while in China, we had officials recruited by exams( very tough ones) , Indians did it by appointing people of same caste or creed or some from a family with some martial background.

China remained most advanced civilizaton till 1400AD. Just see this painting from Bengal of 11th century



Now see this from Song age from same timeperiod. What a fine piece



A picture is worth thousand words as Chinese say so brilliantly.
Indeed, India was ruled by dumb and useless people for the last 2000 years. They should have tried to be geniuses like Chinese. Indians managed a 12 centuries of first place in world's GDP and 6 centuries of 2nd place by narrow margin out of sheer dumb luck. :rolleyes:
 

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Indeed, India was ruled by dumb and useless people for the last 2000 years. They should have tried to be geniuses like Chinese. Indians managed a 12 centuries of first place in world's GDP and 6 centuries of 2nd place by narrow margin out of sheer dumb luck. :rolleyes:
There is no point in looking at historical GDP figures.Past is past,look at the present.India has been a pariah nation for the past 60 years and i don't see it's doing anything to change it's status
 

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There is no point in looking at historical GDP figures.Past is past,look at the present.India has been a pariah nation for the past 60 years and i don't see it's doing anything to change it's status
Past figures are for those who think that everything is wrong with us for the last few millennia. I don't really care much. And 60 years is too short of a time to get rid of the 'education' that was bestowed upon us by the colonial British. We are seeing that kind of 'education' in this thread among some posters. Good thing is that the time has come. It's only a matter of time before we get rid of our inferiority complexes. Once the education changes, it will take a couple of decades to bear fruits. 2050 would be a good time to read this thread again :namaste:
 

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@jon88 Don`t you think that India has got too little time to prove itself?We became independent only in 1947 while China was never colonized completely.Give us a bit more time.
Also we have indeed achieved a lot in 60-65 years but we have to achieve even greater things.I am not denying India has problems.We have a lot of issues with murder,rape,child labor,oppression of poor,minorities and lower castes,bad roads and infrastructure,no healthcare etc.However the Indian people are trying their best.We just need more time and probably a bit of external support.Maybe in 30 years under a strong leader India can improve a lot.
lalu prasad yadav is not in ls poll cause court sentenced him, there is law that criminals can't fight poll and criminality of a person should be proved in court, tomorrow I will a case on you will it make you criminal? Still there are some newspaper who doesn't print fake and said news eg THE HINDU AND INDIAN EXPRESS GROUP.
 
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lalu prasad yadav is not in ls
poll cause court sentenced
him, there is law that
criminals can't fight poll and
criminality of a person should
be proved in court, tomorrow I
will a case on you will it make
you criminal? Still there are
some newspaper who doesn't
print fake and said news eg
THE HINDU AND INDIAN
EXPRESS GROUP. Did you hear any japanese ,indian coping russian or western technology,copying technology is illegal and chinese government copies every technology , they hate west but copies there technology .if you are a chinese and you are pro india and anti china then they will send you to jail and here you can oppose government but china will kill you he you oppose them and surely Any ONE CAN REDUCE POVERTY BY KILLING POOR PEOPLE and THERE NEWSPAPER ALWAYS PRINT GOODIE GOODIE ABOUT THEM
 

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This study contains so many statistical errors that it is not even worth the paper it is printed on。

An 1.7 trillion USD economy simply shouldn't be compared with a 9.4 trillion economy。
 

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