Putin Approves Sale of S-400 to China

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Putin Approves Sale of S-400 to China | The Diplomat

Vladimir Putin has approved in principle the sale of Russia's most advanced air and missile defense system to China, Russian media outlets have reported.

According to a report on the Russian business channel RBK TV, which was reproduced by BBC Monitoring, Russian President Putin has approved the sale of between two and four S-400 air and missile defense systems to China. Such a deal has long been under negotiation, and if approved would make China the first foreign customer of the advanced defense system. Already, China deploys a number of the Soviet-era S-300 defense system.

Despite the ongoing talks, some had felt that Russia would ultimately refuse to sell China the S-400 surface-to-air missile system for a number of reasons. First, there were reports that Russia planned to withhold all foreign sales of the S-400 until Moscow's own military needs had been satisfied, sometime later this decade. More importantly, there were widespread concerns in Russian military circles that China would purchase a few of the systems with the intent of stealing the technology and reverse engineering a domestic version. This has been a common problem with military systems Russia has sold to China in the past.

Russia and China have sought to overcome this problem by signing stronger intellectual property protection (IPP) agreements. One IPP agreement was signed in 2008, but Russian officials later dismissed it as being insufficient. Russia and China also reportedly signed a stronger IPP agreement in 2012, although few details about this deal have been released.

With regards to the S-400, Jane's reports that Russia and China hope to overcome the issue of reverse-engineering using a combination of stronger IPP agreements as well as larger volumes of sales. If China purchases a larger quantity of S-400 missile systems up front, Russia's arms industry will suffer less if Beijing turns around and reverse-engineers the system.

The S-400 itself is likely to significantly enhance Chinese military power in a number of different contingencies. No country will be more affected by China's S-400 missile systems, which—with a range of 400 kilometers—experts suggest will allow Beijing to achieve air dominance over the Taiwanese strait. York Chen, a former member of Taiwan's National Security Council, told Defense News last year: "When S-400s work together with Chinese land- and sea-based fighters, the Chinese will have more confidence in sustaining airspace dominance over the Taiwan theater, thus depriving any organized resistance by the Taiwan Air Force and deterring the American intervention."

While Taiwan is likely to be the most affected by China's deployment of S-400s, it will not be alone in having to deal with this new capability. Japan also will have to contend with China's S-400, which are expected to cover the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. The impact the S-400 system will have on Japan's ability to project power against China will be mitigated somewhat by Tokyo's procurement of F-35 fighter jet. The joint strike fighters are built with enough stealth to operate in environments with advanced air defense systems.

India will also be impacted by the S-400. Because the system can defend against ballistic missiles, China's deployment of the S-400 could jeopardize India's strategic deterrent, which currently relies heavily on land-based missiles. This is likely one of the reasons that India's next government is expected to reassess India's no-first use nuclear doctrine. Should China launch a first strike on India's nuclear arsenal that was able to wipe out most of its strategic forces, it could use missile defense systems like the S-400 to potentially defend against the remaining missiles.
 

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Any comment by our Russia lovers like @Razor, @sam80?
Why so? When both Russia and India are one step ahead.

India's current system is S-300PMU-2 equivalent, the PDV will bring it to S-400 level. The radars we use are better than what the S-400 has.

When China is taking delivery of the S-400, we will be taking delivery of the S-500 equivalent AD-1 and AD-2 based BMD system.

It is very similar to Russia selling the Su-35 to China while we are working on FGFA. One step ahead. This also helps us keep tabs on Chinese developments. We will get an idea of their capabilities.
 
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Time is Critical , Isolated Russia bribing china with S-400 obliviously trying to get more Asian support against Holy war waged by US and Pets Company.
 

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This message is hidden because Pratap is on your ignore list.
Why I get notifications from people on ignore list :yawn:
 

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Why so? When both Russia and India are one step ahead.

India's current system is S-300PMU-2 equivalent, the PDV will bring it to S-400 level. The radars we use are better than what the S-400 has.

When China is taking delivery of the S-400, we will be taking delivery of the S-500 equivalent AD-1 and AD-2 based BMD system.

It is very similar to Russia selling the Su-35 to China while we are working on FGFA. One step ahead. This also helps us keep tabs on Chinese developments. We will get an idea of their capabilities.
Don't bother. That kid suffers from selective myopia but at least he got first prize at the local Amerik boot lickers competition.
 

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Time is Critical , Isolated Russia bribing china with S-400 obliviously trying to get more Asian support against Holy war waged by US and Pets Company.
It is natural that now Russia will move towards China at least for the short and medium terms.
And India needs to continuing working on the relations with Russia and other partners to maintain stability in the region.
 

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This just like the Su-35 deal, it is a Russian advertise strategy. It is a good strategy for India or Vietnam to order it.

Btw, Even S-300PMU-2 have lost to HQ-9 at Turkey at first round. but It still have things worth us to learn from S-300PMU-3(S-400) .

It is always good to see how other people make things done.
 
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India's current system is S-300PMU-2 equivalent,
Which Indian SAM network is Comparable to S 300 PMU 2 ...? I don't find we Operating something like this

But The Chinese Have HQ 9 Variant of PMU 2 Operating in mass Numbers ..
 

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And now they shall shortly "reveal" their latest SAM HQ-10. Thank you very much.
 

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Why so? When both Russia and India are one step ahead.

India's current system is S-300PMU-2 equivalent,
How so?

the PDV will bring it to S-400 level.
What's the PDV?

The radars we use are better than what the S-400 has.
Which radars?

When China is taking delivery of the S-400, we will be taking delivery of the S-500 equivalent AD-1 and AD-2 based BMD system.
Really? I wasn't aware of any vendor delivery to that timeframe.

It is very similar to Russia selling the Su-35 to China while we are working on FGFA. One step ahead. This also helps us keep tabs on Chinese developments. We will get an idea of their capabilities.
But why is Russia offering China these weapons systems without any indication of interest from the Chinese side?
 

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Which Indian SAM network is Comparable to S 300 PMU 2 ...? I don't find we Operating something like this

But The Chinese Have HQ 9 Variant of PMU 2 Operating in mass Numbers ..
The Indian BMD's current standards exceeds PMU2. We are deploying it this year.
 

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Both countries are currently developing S-500 equivalent systems. While I do not know the scale of the S-500, there is something known about the next gen BMD we are building here, the Russians are aiming for something similar, that is stopping warheads coming in at 5Km/s.

What's the PDV?
PDV is just an upgraded PAD. We don't know the status of the program yet.

Which radars?
There is one known radar and one or two unknowns radars. One is Swordfish that was upgraded from Greenpine, another is a Thales FCR. All modern AESAs.

Really? I wasn't aware of any vendor delivery to that timeframe.
Deployment date for AD-1 and AD-2 is 2016/17. Roughly the same time as S-500 deployment. Naturally, approval for the Chinese S-400 came in recently, so by the time a contract is negotiated and settled, our next gen systems will be deployed.

But why is Russia offering China these weapons systems without any indication of interest from the Chinese side?
The buyer is mum about this. Your country doesn't make weapons purchases public until it is in serial production or taking deliveries.
 

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Both countries are currently developing S-500 equivalent systems. While I do not know the scale of the S-500, there is something known about the next gen BMD we are building here, the Russians are aiming for something similar, that is stopping warheads coming in at 5Km/s.



PDV is just an upgraded PAD. We don't know the status of the program yet.



There is one known radar and one or two unknowns radars. One is Swordfish that was upgraded from Greenpine, another is a Thales FCR. All modern AESAs.



Deployment date for AD-1 and AD-2 is 2016/17. Roughly the same time as S-500 deployment. Naturally, approval for the Chinese S-400 came in recently, so by the time a contract is negotiated and settled, our next gen systems will be deployed.



The buyer is mum about this. Your country doesn't make weapons purchases public until it is in serial production or taking deliveries.
Are you saying that India will get "S-500" around 2016/17?

1. S-500 is nowhere but your dream.
2. Russian will have not enough S-400 ,even for Russian army by 2016/2017.
3. Further more, what is "India's current system"? Is that system better than HQ-9?

FYI

"In February 2011 a second unit of S-400 missile systems was deployed at Dubrovki, north of Moscow. The 210th Air Defence Regiment consists of two battalions, each consisting of eight launch points, each with four missiles.In February 2011, it was also announced that the missile system will be deployed in southern Kuril Islands "to protect Russia's sovereignty in the Far East".

The Baltic Fleet in Kaliningrad received S-400 SAM systems in February 2012 and these went into operational status in April 2012.One S-400 division is deployed on combat duty in the Russian far east city Nakhodka.

As of 2012, one system (in Electrostal) was operational, with three more S-400 battalions being deployed. All 56 battalions will be delivered by 2020.Russia is also setting up two regiments of S-400 in Eastern Military district.[38]

As of September 2013, the Russian Army has five S-400 regiments: two in Moscow, one in the Pacific fleet, one in the Baltic Fleet, and one in the Southern Military District. Beginning in 2014, the army will receive two to three sets of regimental units of S-400 systems every year.Another S-400 regiment will be put on combat duty around Moscow by the end of 2013. Russia plans to have 28 S-400 regiments by 2020, each comprising two or three battalions with four systems each, mainly in maritime and border areas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(SAM)
 
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