Seychelles invites China to set up anti-piracy base!

Well, I am not talking about normal shipment but in case of conflict/war like situation.

If U.S. will protect Chinese shipment then why they selling P8i to India, F-16/F-18/35 to Indonesia/Singapore/Taiwan/Japan/S.K./Australia ??

Your money will be wasted.....if you do any misadventure and later Hillary Clinton will say "India has right to defend herself"

Do you think U.S. will pay the Chinese debt ?? At least I never heard such thing.

The question is not about Indian Navys capacity there, but how they will be able to stop chinese ships without slowing down the whole trafic. In case you dont know, there are not only chinese ships going through there.

You think other countries will just stand by when you do that?

Some people need to think before they post something.

Do you mean the US has stopped paying the principle and interest due？Are you saying that the US has declared itself bankrupt？

That's really news to me！！！

Why is it then that 1 US dollar still sells for over 52 rupees？

Has India followed the steps of the US and declared itself bust？That's shocking！

Hillary Clinton just means so much to Indians。Right？

But they will keep our oil route safe.

Some facts:


Oil and gas account for less than a quarter of China's energy consumption

China herself is a major oil producer, ranked at 5 in recent times.

China's oil import has been rising rapidly, but still account less than half of China's total oil consumption

Middle east countries account for less than half of China's oil import

Only a small fraction of imported oil is carried by Chinese ships. Often times a ship will carry oil destined for several countries.


Finally indian navy won't have enough ships available for the foreseeable future to intercept tanks going through the indian ocean. Also what will be the reactions from the oil producing gulf states whom India depends much more for her energy use than China does?

never pay back your debt is India's way, haha!

No Indian Ocean military base: China

China on Monday said its naval fleet would only seek supplies or recuperate in the Seychelles during anti-piracy operations, denying reports that Beijing might break with its long-standing policy by setting up a military base overseas with a presence in the Indian Ocean archipelago.

The Chinese Defence Ministry reaffirmed that policy on Monday, saying its ships would only resupply in the Seychelles as they were already doing in other countries such as Oman and Yemen, while participating in anti-piracy escort missions.

"It is international practice for naval fleets to resupply at the closest port of a nearby state during long-distance missions,” the Ministry of National Defence said in a statement issued in response to reports which suggested China would establish an anti-piracy military base in the Seychelles.

China’s presence, it said, would be limited to its naval fleet “seeking supplies or recuperating at appropriate harbours in Seychelles or other countries as needed during escort missions". The arrangement, according to the Defence Ministry, would be similar to the practice of Chinese ships resupplying in ports in Djibouti, Oman and Yemen, where China has not established military bases.

On Friday, Seychelles Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Paul Adam said his government had invited China "to set up a military presence" on the archipelago to help against regular piracy attacks faced by the country, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.

The Seychelles has sought greater assistance from a number of countries to boost its capabilities to combat piracy, including India and the United States.

While the U.S. had already earlier established a drone base to help anti-piracy operations, India has also lent support to the country, agreeing last year following the visit of Defence Minister A.K. Anthony to Mahe to provide a new Dornier aircraft and two Chetak helicopters for maritime surveillance.

Seychelles’ invitation to China came following the visit of General Liang Guanglie – the first Chinese Defence Minister to visit the Seychelles – earlier this month, during which China agreed to give the country two light aircraft.

Mr. Adam said even if China agreed to set up an anti-piracy base, it “would not be the first foreign military presence here because the Americans already have a small drone base here,” AFP quoted him as saying.

Media reports in India have raised concerns over China setting up military bases in the Indian Ocean - fears that have become heightened after China’s naval presence in the region increased following the participation of its naval vessels in anti-piracy escort missions since 2008.

But Chinese officials and analysts say such fears are exaggerated, considering China does not yet have the capabilities to maintain a military base overseas. Some Chinese experts have, however, called on China to rethink its policy and not rule out setting up a military presence abroad in order to better protect its increasing international interests.

Earlier this year, the Chinese Foreign Ministry unusually contradicted statements made by officials in “all-weather” ally Pakistan claiming China had agreed to set up a naval base in the port of Gwadar.

Zhao Gancheng, director of South Asia Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, told The Hindu then that the denial clearly underscored that China’s “principle that it will not build any overseas bases… remain[ed] unchanged.”

“To militarise the Indian Ocean facilities,” added Ashley Townshend, an expert on international security and the Chinese military at the Sydney-based Lowy Institute for International Policy, “Beijing would require local air defence capabilities, munitions storage units, mine-clearing assets and a permanent military footprint.

"These costly renovations would probably exceed the technical, logistical and expeditionary capabilities of the Chinese military for a decade or more,” he wrote in a recent article.

The Hindu : News / National : No Indian Ocean military base: China

Still, Oil import for China is huge and going forward the number will increase and not decrease.

And BTW, There are many more things than crude oil. China 75% commercial shipment Shipment crosses through Indian Ocean. Hence, Overall Indian Ocean region is very important for them.

How come you get the thought that we won't have enough ships.

Currently, We have around 150 Navy warships and 100-200 small ships for coastal guard. By 2022, Number will increase by 20%-25% more. Not to forget we will be operating 3 CBG group by 2014 too. Also, we will be launching a dedicated satellite for Navy and we already have 3D and AESA Radar operational for IN.

BTW, we don't need to check whole Indian Ocean. It's only near A&N Island (Malacca strait). It's only 200-300 Km thin pass from where all Chinese Shipment/Warships will cross 1st and we will have an close eye and in any misadventure, we will be very strong for any attack. Not to forget, neighbouring countries are also having good relation with us.

Don't think of Pakistan Navy when you posting about Indian Navy.

Do you have even the slightest idea of how vast the ocean is? Also how many of the 150 warships mentioned above are really ocean-going warships? Also you need to cut this crap of having 3 carriers in service by 2014. It ain't gonna happen. If you got lucky you might have Admiral Gorshkov then, but your existing carrier Viraat will be 60 years old. There is no chance for your indigenous carrier to be ready by 2014. It take 8-10 years on average for India to finish a frigate/destroyer-sized warship, not from the time the ship is laid down, but from the time the ship is launched. Dehli-class DDG, P17, P15 no exceptions. The 3 kolcotta ships were launched ages ago, but they won't enter service until 2015. An aircraft carrier is 10times more complex, yet it has not even hit the water yet. Anyway, even an attempt to enforce en embargo (assuming PLAN does nothing!!!) requires 100 destroyer-sized ships, which is possible for India by year 2100 maybe. Also as I mentioned above, most goods destined for China are carried by foreign merchant ships, and most ships will stop at lots of other places. Is india going to declare war on the whole world?

Also leaving potential chinese reactions aside, if there is something Uncle Sam intensely hates, it is disrupting the sealine. Will india risk the wrath of another round of severe punishment by the white masters?

Go around the whole vast ocean but then you will reach Malaccas. We will welcome you there

BTW, with 150 vessels right now and then the 4 carriers, plus long range surveillance planes, i would say we have the IOR covered.

Do you think a Navy commands the Ocean by dotting the Ocean with ships by the square metre?

The mission of a Navy is to secure its coast, ensure the safety of its trade routes and either confine the enemy to its ports/ or destroy the same. The first and second of these aims can be attained by the successful achievement of the third – the destruction or paralysis of the hostile fleet. A fleet that secures the freedom of its own communications from attack is said to have command of the sea.

Further, it is easy for India to do so because if it blockades the Strait of Malacca, then its Davy Jones' Locker for Chinese naval aims!

The point is not how many war ships you have, but how you going to conduct the blockade.

So far, this has no been adressed.

To assuming that Indian Navy is gonna use AC and surveillance planes for blockade is silly at best.

A blockade will be an act of war. You will waste your most capable assets for naval blockade?


How will you stop ships carrying chinese oils with different flags? Stop them all?

To summon it up, naval blockade is not just about how many ships you got, period.

Any shipment to reach China has to pass Malaccas. We have that covered. We will choke you there. All your shipments are within our shore based air assets. In a war, you will not have any place to hide.