J20 Stealth Fighter

[Daredevil]

Rumor: J20 is using enhanced version of WS10

:emot15::emot15:

Your normal WS10 is not working on J-10 and you say you have already started using enhanced version of WS10. You guys make a nice laughing spectacle. Please continue the laugh riot. :emot15:

 

[sayareakd]

DD, it will be inducted into PLA check this

not PLAAF.

 

[Daredevil]

Why it will be inducted into PLA?. This is a fighter made for air force not armies. It doesn't make sense. That picture was a mere paint job that I'm not willing to believe.

 

[sandeepdg]

Well, guys its not that hard to believe that JXX prototype pics are real ! And even if they are not, I think it is very much a possibility that the JXX will start flying in the next 4-5 years, if these pics are real, as an advanced prototype, and if that happens then there's a possibility that it can be inducted by 2020, if everything's okay with the engine. The Chinese have done it before, they have always amazed the world with their tech showcase.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese cannot even build a third generation plane and they will jump to a fifth generation plane?? what is the secret??

 

[redragon]

Chinese cannot even build a third generation plane and they will jump to a fifth generation plane?? what is the secret??

so J-10 is not a third generation? And you think you know everything in the world? come on, you don't even speak Chinese, at least I can speak both.
another picture for you

 

[LETHALFORCE]

so J-10 is not a third generation? And you think you know everything in the world? come on, you don't even speak Chinese, at least I can speak both.
another picture for you

I know WS-10 is not a success and has not been for last three decades.

 

[redragon]

Looks like another fake. PLAAF's insignia is not the same on Vertical stabilizers, it is more like that of PLA. Another photochop picture.

PLAAF Insignia

It's not a PLAAF figher yet, Chengdu 611 can paint anything they want

 

[redragon]

I know WS-10 is not a success and has not been for last three decades.

so LCA is not a third G for sure, haha, and where did you get this "three decades", are you talking about LCA again? Please this is not a thread about LCA, besides, for LCA, it could be 4 decades or even longer:emot15:

 

[sayareakd]

new pic

 

[LETHALFORCE]

so LCA is not a third G for sure, haha, and where did you get this "three decades", are you talking about LCA again? Please this is not a thread about LCA, besides, for LCA, it could be 4 decades or even longer:emot15:

I am discussing this unknown fifth generation plane claim and WS-10. LCA is a separate issue all together. here is WS-10's long failure history. WS-10 is the engine used in this unknown fifth generation plane.

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=1145

 

[iPower]

LETHALFORCE, the article you quote was written in 2006. The Chinese progress in science and technologies probably have been beyond the author's widest dreams during the past 4 years. China has overtaken Russia in many areas now. For example, Chinese have the world's fastest supercomputer now, which implies the J-20/14/? probably has one of the best aerodynamics in the world (in theory), because the design of aerodynamics requires tremendous calculating power. It is quite conceivable that China will field the 18-ton class WS-15 in 5-7 years. As for WS-10, my understanding is that it has matured and is being fitted to J-15, the carrier-born derivative of J-11B.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LETHALFORCE, the article you quote was written in 2006. The Chinese progress in science and technologies probably have been beyond the author's widest dreams during the past 4 years. China has overtaken Russia in many areas now. For example, Chinese have the world's fastest supercomputer now, which implies the J-20/14/? probably has one of the best aerodynamics in the world (in theory), because the design of aerodynamics requires tremendous calculating power. It is quite conceivable that China will field the 18-ton class WS-15 in 5-7 years. As for WS-10, my understanding is that it has matured and is being fitted to J-15, the carrier-born derivative of J-11B.

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Aero-Engines/LM-WS10A-Tai-Hang-China.html

Overview
An all-Chinese replacement for the Russian AL-31F in J-10 and J-11 fighters and the power plant for a potential new fighter

Description
In December 2002 Yihong Chang, the Chinese correspondent of l Jane's Defence Weekly, reported that the Shenyang Aircraft Company was well advanced with the development of a new heavyweight fighter, with stealth qualities. He said that propulsion could be provided by a pair of Liming WS10A engines. Such an aircraft has been known to be under development for many years, and it appeared in the 1990s in Jane's All the World's Aircraft as the 'XXJ'. In the 2004- 05 edition of Jane's All the World's Aircraft the WS10A is suggested as being the engine of a new fighter revealed in the form of tunnel models in a 2002 film published by AVIC. The designation covering this project is now J-X.The long and convoluted history of the WS10 -- named Tai Hang after a Chinese mountain -- was at least superficially revealed in November 2005, in a feature article in the officially published Chinese Aviation. This enabled a more definitive history to be written by a Chinese correspondent of Jane's, Jonathon Weng, and what follows is based on his work. Weng confirmed that the WS10 was originally derived from the WS6 (see separate entry). This engine was abandoned at the start of the 1980s, and 606 Design Institute (the previously unknown AVIC I designation of the Shenyang Engine Design and Research Institute) began work on a derived design, called in English the High-Performance Propulsion System Preliminary Design (HPPSPD). From the outset, this incorporated features of the CFM56 civil turbofan, newly
The complete article appears in the following publication:
Publication Title Jane's Aero-Engines
Publication date Nov 22, 2010

 

[neoshangh]

Chinese cannot even build a third generation plane and they will jump to a fifth generation plane?? what is the secret??

Yes,Chinese can't build anything even appeared in the picture.J10 is copied.JXX is copied.Everything we build is copied.And we have the world's best PS artists which can creat all the photoes above.

Just a post of sharing information,someone insists on saying other words.

All in all，you will get a conclusion that Jxx is a joke.And chinese are doing fake work to cheat.

It makes no sense.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Yes,Chinese can't build anything even appeared in the picture.J10 is copied.JXX is copied.Everything we build is copied.And we have the world's best PS artists which can creat all the photoes above.

Just a post of sharing information,someone insists on saying other words.

All in all，you will get a conclusion that Jxx is a joke.And chinese are doing fake work to cheat.

It makes no sense.

I have provided links one from Janes provide a link -very simple.

 

[neoshangh]

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Aero-Engines/LM-WS10A-Tai-Hang-China.html

Overview
An all-Chinese replacement for the Russian AL-31F in J-10 and J-11 fighters and the power plant for a potential new fighter

You just get information you needed and ignore information about other things.
from pinko of keypublish:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...105427&page=10
Jane's Editor Robert Hewson wrote on 20-Dec that the new J-20 will tentatively be powered by Russian's 117S engine

Jane's Defence Weekly

Window on China

Robert Hewson, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor, London

...Jane's has learnt that China is using Russian-sourced -117S engines (a heavily modified AL-31F) to power its fifth-generation design - at least as far as prototype and development aircraft are concerned. This engine powers Russia's own fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi T-50. Despite attempts to replicate previous generations of Russian fighter engines for its own aircraft, China's industry has failed to do so reliably. Its dependence on foreign technology, and specifically Russian engines, particularly as it embarks on its next generation of designs is a hurdle for China's designers and a major obstacle to building a truly indigenous military aircraft industry. Russia is now dealing with a Chinese request to acquire an unknown number of -117S engines upon which Chengdu will rely for some time to come.

What we dicussed here is whether china developed a 5th general fighter,not other thing.(As you have said "LCA is a separate issue all together",so we donot discuss LCA)

I admit that the engine is still secret,then you believe that china's JXX is nothing but a joke,how strange it is!What engine used in LCA?

you are contradicting yourself and again discussing LCA. Simple question what engine is in the fifth generation plane??

 

[neoshangh]

I have provided links one from Janes provide a link -very simple.

Then I give you some links.<Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones>.Look at the last paragraph.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/idr/idr101213_1_n.shtml

Yes,you will say.It is nothing but a speculation.Then ignore me.You just want get information you want and ignore others.

 

[chex3009]

Then I give you some links.<Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones>.Look at the last paragraph.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/idr/idr101213_1_n.shtml

Yes,you will say.It is nothing but a speculation.Then ignore me.You just want get information you want and ignore others.

Except for the heading, no where in the article is the name of China to be seen.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Then I give you some links.<Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones>.Look at the last paragraph.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/idr/idr101213_1_n.shtml

Yes,you will say.It is nothing but a speculation.Then ignore me.You just want get information you want and ignore others.

It says China is pushing for end of the year 5th gen plane but nothing else???

 

[neoshangh]

Is this a PAKFA in the pic??

Yes ,it is a true PAKFA

Can't like PAKFA any more.