Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

this is what i got from reading the article.

Seems to me as if , even if they ar not building an Air craft carrier in those caves.

This base of theirs will be an important logistical center for their carrier groups.


PS.
Actually did some checking up, 60ft is too small for carriers.

Nah, it is a submarine base. Carriers require too much infrastructure to put it there. The whole point of it was to make it survivable to a nuclear strike so SSBNs could survive.

Yes you are derailing, again asking you to read the article I posted

True the caves are for submarines. I guess i jumped the gun.

Still those massive piers outside can still service AC.

see there are two problems with your response mate.

First i asked how i am derailing, And all you told me was i am derailing.No new information just a repetition of your first claim.

Secondly
I have read the article, But unfortunately the copycats are at it again, They just created their own version of the Su-33. Called the J-15

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4070484

There is no problem with my response you were not reading the article I posted it talked about type of air crafts going to be used in the carriers and you were pointing about the facility to hide a carrier i care a $hit about it you can make one underground China for hiding the carrier but the point was type of aircraft so stick to that

See this is your problem the article you posted does not even mention J 15 this is not the way of putting the things across. The article I posted clearly says that china is still "some years away" from having fully operational carrier if you have something to refute it post it. Stop running in tangents

Honestly, did you ever bother looking for info on the chines clone j-15 yourself.

tell me i cant exactly post Google translate link from Chinese websites, that are the only reporters of the j-15 in detail.

Let me ask you a question, what is "some years away" is that 2-3 years, 4-5 years. China say its will get a carrier sometime between 2013 and 2015.
If so even, "some years away" clearly matches that plan.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Ch...pilots/3636384

U read the link you posted or not? here are the excerpts:

That is what is the crux of the article posted by me now if you can refute that with some credible link please go ahead i would be happy to be enlightened

Chinese Aspiration for Aircraft Carrier
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US statements and imagery show that China is making progress in completing the refurbishment of the ex-Soviet/Ukrainian aircraft carrier Varyag , now reported to have been renamed the Admiral Shilang .

Admiral Robert F Willard, Commander of the US Pacific Command, told the US House of Representatives on 23 March that "China's leaders are pursuing an aircraft carrier capability. ... I expect this carrier [the ex- Varyag ] to become operational around 2012 and will likely be used to develop basic aircraft carrier skills." While it remains to be seen whether China can also assemble its new carrier air wing by 2012, Adm Willard's statement marks a reversal of the US intelligence community opinion expressed in the 2002 annual US Department of Defense report on Chinese military modernisation, which stated: "While continuing to research and discuss possibilities, China appears to have set aside indefinitely plans to acquire an aircraft carrier."

Near the time of Adm Willard's testimony, on about 17 March, imagery available on Chinese military issue web pages showed the Shilang had emerged from, and had been placed beside, the new Dalian harbour area drydock it entered in late April 2009. By 23 March this source was showing that the greatly modified hull structure had entered the process of degaussing (demagnetising) to reduce vulnerability to magnetic mines and to aid the operation of sophisticated electronic components. Major modifications began on the carrier's prominent island in mid-October 2009. Sections fore and aft the stack were removed and replaced with new pre-fabricated structures to accommodate the four arrays of its new phased-array naval radar. This radar is likely to be similar to the Ukrainian-influenced active phased-array system developed early in the last decade for the Chinese Navy's Type 052C destroyers.

Recent imagery also shows increased activity on the carrier's deck: an indication that work may also be under way to replace the aircraft arresting gear or rebuild engine-blast barriers used to help launch aircraft off the carrier's ski-jump ramp.

A lack of progress in negotiations with Russia to purchase a useful number of modernised twin-engine Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-borne fighters, because of a combination of Russian frustration over copyright protection and Russian demands that China purchase an economically viable number (between 30 and 40), has turned attention to the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation's longstanding effort to produce its own carrier-based fighter. Inasmuch as Shenyang's J-11 is a modified copy of the Su-27SK with an improved radar and eventually a Chinese turbofan, Shenyang is expected to produce its own version of the Su-33 or a carrier-capable version of the J-11, sometimes referred to as the 'J-15'. In late August 2009 unconfirmed Chinese reports emerged that a prototype for this Shenyang carrier-borne fighter had made its first flight.

The Chengdu Aircraft Corporation also appears ready to produce a carrier-capable version of its J-10, although this single-engine fighter would require significant modification. However, in November 2009 a Chengdu test pilot was reported by Chinese media as saying Chengdu had conducted simulations of a J-10 carrier launch.

The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is also developing critical support aircraft for its future carrier air wing. In late October 2009 internet images emerged of a Changhe Z-8 helicopter carrying a new retractable radar array, similar in configuration to the French Horizon radar used for battlefield support and mounted on a Super Puma helicopter. However, there are also indications that the PLA may be considering a version of the Sukhoi Su-80 twin-boom utility turboprop or another indigenous twin-turboprop design for airborne early warning, anti-submarine warfare and carrier onboard delivery missions.http://weapons.technology.youngester...t-carrier.html

June 2, 2010 issue of “Jane’s Defense Weekly” magazine published in Washington correspondent Ted – Parsons (Ted Parsons) of the article, the article entitled “China test carrier-based version of F-11B prototype” . Jane’s said that China FYJS military site has revealed a new version of the F-11B photos canard wing and the short of caudal and other features are consistent with the SU -33, Jane’s also noted that China develop its own carrier version of F-11B at the same time, it may also purchase Su -33, is also possible that China’s use of carrier-based version of the F-11B to promote further bargaining with Russia. Jane’s also speculation that 4-6 aircraft carriers in China and the rapid construction of aircraft carrier construction program is perhaps the result of orders for Russian Su -33.

The article first said that Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (Shenyang Aircraft Corporation) airport showed pictures of looks: China now is testing a F-11B fighter prototype carrier-based version of the early.

Jane’s article said that China FYJS military site on May 20 revealed the photos show a new version of the F-11B aircraft, with the front wing Gaixing Ji obvious “duck”-style wing, relatively short caudal (Editor’s Note: China Forum called it “F-15″ carrier-based fighter). These features are produced by the company and the Russian Sukhoi SU -33 line carrier aircraft, and reported consistent with Shenyang over the years trying to “copy” of the model.

Jane’s article goes on to say, the latest pictures in this group before, there is a group of pictures show, the PLA Naval Air Force (PLANAF) forces in the procurement of land (non-carrier) of the F-11B aircraft. In late August 2009, several Chinese military forum for the dissemination of a web site on anecdotes, said carrier-based version of the F-11B has already begun testing new network message is implied, and now may also include slip jump (off) test.

Jane’s said, however, the latest photos appeared in China only shows the existence of a prototype, as the prototype is equipped with folding wings, it is not clear, although there is a photo showing the end of hook block, but can not make this final conclusion. As the aircraft prototype in the end is equipped with the Russian “Saturn” (Saturn) the company’s Al-31 turbofan engine, or equipment of the Chinese-made Shenyang Liming Aero-Engine Corporation WS-10A “Taihang” engine, is still not sure, Jane s comments that followed, which experienced the “chaos” of the development process, there is a late 2009’s reported that the first flight of the prototype two-seat F-11BS leaves the engine off and crashed.

Jane’s article goes on to say, the Russian side since the beginning of 2005, “China needs to meet the Soviet -33 restart talks with the Chinese production line,” Jane’s comment to the issue, the Russian side has repeatedly stressed that China’s ability to master many of them the necessary machine body improvement (technology) to the J -11 / SU -27 into a secure carrier-based fighter, skeptical. They also realized that China obtained from the Ukraine, a T-10K or Su -33 prototype. In August 2009 Moscow air show, there is news that China has to purchase about 40 for improved SU -33 and the cost of restarting production lines with suitable, this message also hinted that China is developing its own ship F-11B version contains the same time, it may also purchase Russian-made Su–33. Of course, also possible that China has used the F-11B carrier-based version of the successful to promote further bargaining with Russia.

Jane’s concluded that the potential demand of China’s aircraft carrier may be a favorable factor for Russia. Hong Kong, China in early 2009, news sources revealed that, in addition to being converted Dalian receiving aircraft carrier Kuznetsov addition, Beijing is considering the construction of 4-6 aircraft carrier. China in Dalian and Shanghai are the new shipyard capable of building aircraft carriers; while (China) the result of the rapid construction of aircraft carriers is perhaps the Russian Soviet -33 orders.

http://www.global-military.com/china...en-flight.html

is it possible?
PLAN is trying and cant 1 AC?
Is PLAN thinking like IN?

@ Ordie from other forum.
If China builds and deploys a carrier, what will Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, India and Vietnam will do in response?

what can Japan, S.Korea ,Taiwan India and Vietnam do in response?
to cry like a baby? or to deploy AC too?=love

I don't think CHina needs 4-6 ACs. 3ACs is enough to CHina.


AC is not the decisive weaons in the coming sea wars between major powers,but just a police tool to bully small or mid-size states ,beat piracy or for rescue missions

So,3 AC is necessary,but 4AC is a waste.

Japan has already responded by developing a carrier killer. Vietnam has bought more submarines. ROK is updating their air force, Taiwan is wanting F-35B, and we all know what India is doing. The US is advocating more carriers in the Pacific if it happens. There is plenty of time to figure out what to do, it will be decades before China has an operational carrier.

The Island has been completely painted in navy grey.

project is going pretty slow..

Thanks to the brave photographer, Photography is Strictly prohibited!!

The Carrier In the Cornfield – PLAN Aircraft Carrier Program Advancing



NEWTOWN, Conn.:- The Chinese Navy's aircraft carrier program appears to be picking up momentum with Chinese news sources reporting two major steps forward in the development of the necessary systems for these ships.

The most remarkable of these steps is the construction of what appears to be a hybrid of an office building and an aircraft carrier. This has already been dubbed the "Carrier in the Cornfield" in reference to the famous U.S. Naval Surface Warfare "Cruiser in the Cornfield" facility at Moorestown, NJ. The New Jersey facility was used to test out the AEGIS air warfare system and subsequently provided a research capability to test new items of equipment under carefully controlled conditions. It is likely that the Chinese facility is intended for similar work.

Aircraft and helicopters are frequently seen on the roof of this building. It appears that current efforts are aimed at developing the operational art needed for on-deck operations and flow, and then on training PLAN personnel in these functions. It also appears that the dummy superstructure on the roof of this facility is being used to test the phased-array radars being developed for the new carriers. It can be assumed that the facility is also being used to check for electromagnetic interference between the radar and the aircraft. One thing can safely be assumed - the Chinese are not landing aircraft on the roof of the building. The aircraft there are being lifted into position by a crane.

The other new development is based on reports that Shenyang is designing a new J-15 naval fighter, possibly using technologies from its next-generation fighter bid for J-14, which appears to have been rejected in favor of Chengdu's design. Whether this is a development of the Su-33 (one example of which was reportedly purchased from Ukraine in 2001) or a completely new design is unknown.

A J-15 prototype was seen parked at the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation airfield in May 2010, revealing its arresting hook retracted beneath the redesigned tailcone, enlarged folding wings, strengthened landing gears with twin nosewheels, and a pair of small canard foreplanes to improve its low-speed handling.

These developments suggest that the CPLAN is very serious about establishing a carrier-based aviation arm. The degree of research that is under way speaks of a well-planned and systematic approach to developing an indigenous carrier force.

The more interesting question is, why have the Chinese allowed this information to appear at this time? It is most unlikely they did so to satisfy the curiosity of Western naval analysts. A more likely hypothesis is that there is conflict between those who see the Chinese fleet as a primarily coastal defense force and those who envision a more assertive power projection role.

For the last few years, the former group has appeared to dominate the debate, with Chinese major surface combatant construction slowed to a crawl while the building of frigates and fast attack craft has accelerated.

Releasing information on carrier design and development may well be a ploy to use Western reaction to these programs as a way of motivating the Chinese authorities into increasing support for the carrier program.

http://www.defencetalk.com/chinese-n...program-26836/