Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

[Known_Unknown]

What's the point of building a full scale model of a junk AC that will never sail, and that too on land?

 

[A.V.]

is this structure visible on google earth ?
its a good training medium there is no doubt infact i saw aircraft designs also on the model and deck but will the varyag ever sail i doubt that but if its only for training then may be good may not be good depends on the viewpoint

 

[badguy2000]

What's the point of building a full scale model of a junk AC that will never sail, and that too on land?

it is a necessary facilities to train pilots of AC.

USA did so tooo

 

[badguy2000]

To save fund, closehanded Frenchmen just drew a paint on ground.

well, it is indeed the truth that AC is not a game fit for poor coutries.

BTW, the consequence of French's closehanded "tests on paint" is that French "Gaulle" AC have leave enough board for its E2 AWAC and now has to refix its board .

India now is also building its own AC and I don't know how Indian test its design of AC . but I don't hope that Indian repeat Frenchmen's mistake ,either..

 

[Daredevil]

India now is also building its own AC and I don't know how Indian test its design of AC . but I don't hope that Indian repeat Frenchmen's mistake ,either..

India already raised a squadron called Black Panthers who were trained in deck landing training in US and Russia. Also we have experience with sea harriers which were used on INS Virat.

Indian Navy to induct MiG-29 Ks by October

September 9th, 2009 - 12:36 pm ICT by IANS -


By Ritu Sharma
New Delhi, Sep 9 (IANS) The first four ship-borne Russian-made Mig-29 K/KUB fighter jets, purchased for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, will be inducted in the Indian Navy by October, officials here said.

Pilot training for the squadron, to be named Black Panther, were completed in the US and Russia, said a senior Indian Navy official.

The jets were purchased by the Indian Navy as part of the $740 million contract signed in January 2004 for Admiral Gorshkov, to be commissioned as INS Vikramaditya in the navy.

“The pilots were sent to US for deck landing training and the QFIs (qualified flying instructors) to Russia for conversion flying (for converting to different aircraft). The pilots will do the conversion flying in Goa under the supervision of QFIs,” the official told IANS on condition of anonymity.

Four to five batches comprising four pilots each had gone to the US for the deck landing training.

As the 45,000-tonne Kiev class aircraft carrier Gorshkov is scheduled to be inducted in service only by 2011 after its refurbishment, the aircraft will be based on shore.

 

[badguy2000]

India already raised a squadron called Black Panthers who were trained in deck landing training in US and Russia. Also we have experience with sea harriers which were used on INS Virat.

it is not about the train of pilots,but about the design of boards of AC.

to save money,Frenchmen didn't built full-scale model of AC and it makes the board of "Gaulle" AC too small to hold E2 AWAC .
such a embarassing error makes French "Gaulle" AC refixed,after its entered into serivice.:stinker::twizt:

 

[redragon]

more are here
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/military-photos-media/5662-chinese-military-snaps-3.html

 

[p2prada]

it is not about the train of pilots,but about the design of boards of AC.

to save money,Frenchmen didn't built full-scale model of AC and it makes the board of "Gaulle" AC too small to hold E2 AWAC .
such a embarassing error makes French "Gaulle" AC refixed,after its entered into serivice.:stinker::twizt:

No problemo.

India setting up world`s third naval pilots training facility

Goa, Nov 09: To help its fighter pilots hone their skills ahead of more aircraft carriers joining the fleet, the Navy is setting up a shore-based training facility (SBTF) here for MiG-29K and Naval LCA aircraft.

This will be the third such mock flight deck facility in the world, with only the US and Russia having the other two.

The work on the SBTF has already started at the Naval air base INS Hansa, which houses the Navy's fighter squadrons and training squadrons flying the existing fleet of Sea Harriers, Navy sources told reporters here.

The work on setting up the SBTF with the ski-jump facing the sea-front in INS Hansa has been handed over to Goa Shipyard Limited, a Defence public sector undertaking, through the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

GSL sources said the SBTF is likely to be completed next year, much ahead of schedule in 2010.

Coinciding with the SBTF getting ready for use by naval fighter pilots for training, India would get the delivery of the first four MiG-29Ks early next year, after a delay of nearly six months from the original deadline of September this year.

The rest 12 of the 16 MiG-29Ks, for which India signed a deal with Russia in January 2004, would come by later next year.

Of the 16 aircraft, four would be twin-seater trainer aircraft and the rest single-seaters. India has plans of ordering 29 more MiG-29Ks as a follow-on purchase.

INS Hansa is already getting the hangers and maintenance station for the MiG-29Ks ready and hopes to put the SBTF to good use so as to train its fighter pilots in Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) landings.

"The pilots would be practicing short take off over the SBTF that will resemble the ski-jump on board the flight deck of an aircraft carrier and arrested landings using a tail hook fitted to the aircraft, first on the shore before they try it out on board an aircraft carrier," Navy officials in INS Hansa said.

Arrested landing is essentially a difficult task as pilots experience immense force that could throw occupants out of the aircraft if they are not properly secured with seat belts.

In fact, during arrested landings, the aircraft is usually flown at take-off speeds ranging from 150 kmph to 200 kmph, but its velocity is arrested to a zero kmph within seconds of the tail hook locking onto the arresting cables on board the flight deck of the aircraft.

All of these drills would be practiced on the SBTF at INS Hansa by fighter pilots.

In fact, these preparations for training the pilots is at an advanced stages, as India expects to receive INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Admiral Gorshkov of the Russian Navy) from Sevmash Shipyard in Russia sometime around 2012.

 

[SATISH]

Nothing is as good as a real AC...as the ship moves in the pitch and yaw axis also unlike the ground that is stable. A AC landing is something like a controlled crash-landing according to me.

 

[tarunraju]

That building must have some really strong framework. A jet fighter hits the deck exerting a great amount of force. An AC is able to convey that force to the water. A building like that is a different thing altogether. It should absorb all the energy. Perhaps a false deck should have been built on plain ground.

 

[arya]

[mod]you have been told before, start putting some thought in your posts and start doing some research.[/mod]

 

[redragon]

Nothing is as good as a real AC...as the ship moves in the pitch and yaw axis also unlike the ground that is stable. A AC landing is something like a controlled crash-landing according to me.

True but useless here as China does not have a real AC yet. So I think what China is doing is the best choice at this time, it's a practical move, I am impressed by the seriousness of PLAN in aquiring the ability to operate a real one.
I think PLAN can train crews about anything but taking off and landing on it.

Off topic a little bit, but a question to Vlad, which one you put on a battle ship at first, Radar or Engine? Why Chinese is doing decoration on the island now when there is no engine in Vayag? hopefully they cut the damn ship open ealier to fit in the engine

 

[Vladimir79]

Off topic a little bit, but a question to Vlad, which one you put on a battle ship at first, Radar or Engine? Why Chinese is doing decoration on the island now when there is no engine in Vayag? hopefully they cut the damn ship open ealier to fit in the engine

The engine... ships undergo sea trials before they are outfitted with their electronics.

 

[redragon]

The engine... ships undergo sea trials before they are outfitted with their electronics.

Great, so that means Vayag has engine already, no wonder they are trying to put the Radar on. So experts like Pinkov actually were talking about BS

 

[Vladimir79]

Great, so that means Vayag has engine already, no wonder they are trying to put the Radar on. So experts like Pinkov actually were talking about BS

Varyag hasn't conducted sea trials yet. Last time I saw, it was being tugged out of port. Do you have pictures of radar mounted?

 

[bengalraider]

why did china build that deck on the roof of a building? that is just plain wrong from so many aspects of civil engineering, you guys should have built the runway on solid ground .

 

[qilaotou]

why did china build that deck on the roof of a building? that is just plain wrong from so many aspects of civil engineering, you guys should have built the runway on solid ground .

A few runway ramps were spotted by satellite and you can goole out the infomation from the net.

The build belongs to China's warship research institute. It's not for take off training!

 

[Koji]

why did china build that deck on the roof of a building? that is just plain wrong from so many aspects of civil engineering, you guys should have built the runway on solid ground .

Perhaps to simulate the busy work that goes on underneath carriers perhaps? Reactor maintenance, aircraft repair, living quarters, etc..

 

[bhramos]

Perhaps to simulate the busy work that goes on underneath carriers perhaps? Reactor maintenance, aircraft repair, living quarters, etc..

hi koji, what reactor maintance?
does it have N-propulsion?

 

[smiling_scorpion]

take it easy,it's just a park