US-Saudi Oil Competition Leverages Pressure on OPEC, Russia

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If it's good for China then it's great for America....

As the Washington Post reported: "Every day, American motorists are saving $630 million on gasoline compared with what they paid at June prices, and they would get a $230 billion windfall if prices were to stay this low for a year."

Sorry, Iran—lower oil prices are a win for America—commentary
Schwab: Oil Plunge Is Positive For US Economy, Stocks - Business Insider

Lower Oil And King Dollar Are Unambiguously Good | The Daily Caller
 

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just like what I said China and America r Yin Yang on the Pacific Rim - "the seemingly contradicting powers r interdependent and give rise to each other."

other lesser consumer states should focus on how to maximize their own gains out of current oil price crunches against the global slowdown. it's reported the plummeting price might add 0.3% to the GDP growth rate. China hiked the excise tax for fuel for the 2nd time in a month.
 

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OK

So where is Indian Strategic Petroleum Reserve ..

Has Indian taken any advantage of recent downfall in oil prices ?????
 

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The Oil producing countries are suffering and bleeding because of the Ukrainian crisis where the West wants Russia to bleed by organising a very low oil and gas world price.

Developing nations to include India and China are laughing their way to the bank (so to say) and they want all this rivalry to continue till they have made up their strategic reserves as also boost their economy.
 

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The Oil producing countries are suffering and bleeding because of the Ukrainian crisis where the West wants Russia to bleed by organising a very low oil and gas world price.
How is the Ukraine-Russian conflict affecting oil prices? The West are sanctioning specific sectors, companies and Russian personalities but they are not controlling World oil prices.

If you really study the causes of the plunging oil prices the main reasons are: 1) oversupply; and 2) weak Worldwide demand. #1 is a combination of increased Worldwide production due to American shale drillers, Iraq and Lybia. It does not help that Saudi is not cutting back production in an effort to maintain market share. The situation is made worse by #2 the continuation of which is a signal that the World economy is not doing well.


Developing nations to include India and China are laughing their way to the bank (so to say) and they want all this rivalry to continue till they have made up their strategic reserves as also boost their economy.
As usual, tunnel vision. The West (EU and US) are laughing all the way this Christmas, together with the rest of net energy consumers in the World, on depressed oil prices. The only ones crying are oil producing countries and multinational energy companies.
 

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How is the Ukraine-Russian conflict affecting oil prices? The West are sanctioning specific sectors, companies and Russian personalities but they are not controlling World oil prices.

If you really study the causes of the plunging oil prices the main reasons are: 1) oversupply; and 2) weak Worldwide demand. #1 is a combination of increased Worldwide production due to American shale drillers, Iraq and Lybia. It does not help that Saudi is not cutting back production in an effort to maintain market share. The situation is made worse by #2 the continuation of which is a signal that the World economy is not doing well.




As usual, tunnel vision. The West (EU and US) are laughing all the way this Christmas, together with the rest of net energy consumers in the World, on depressed oil prices. The only ones crying are oil producing countries and multinational energy companies.
By wanting to 'punish' Russia, the West along with Saudis have gone into an overdrive to cut prices. It is rock bottom these days.

I recommend, since you are not well read, to note why the US went into Iraq. One of the reasons was to break the hold of the OPEC cartel.

Let me educate you.
BUSH'S DEEP REASONS FOR WAR ON IRAQ: OIL, PETRODOLLARS, AND THE OPEC EURO QUESTION

But the need to dominate oil from Iraq is also deeply intertwined with the defense of the dollar. Its current strength is supported by OPEC's requirement (secured by a secret agreement between the US and Saudi Arabia) that all OPEC oil sales be denominated in dollars. This requirement is currently threatened by the desire of some OPEC countries to allow OPEC oil sales to be paid in euros.

The report, Strategic Energy Policy Challenges for the 21st Century, concluded: "The United States remains a prisoner of its energy dilemma. Iraq remains a de-stabilizing influence to ... the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets. Therefore the US should conduct an immediate policy review toward Iraq including military, energy, economic and political/ diplomatic assessments."

Bush's Deep Reasons for War on Iraq: Oil, Petrodollars, and the OPEC Euro question
Oil is a 'weapon of war', OPEC is dominated by the Saudis and US controls the Saudis. Once there is no control of oil production, there will be a glut in the market and the prices will drop QED.

There Are 300,000 Iraqi Barrels Signaling Oil Glut Will Deepen
Not only is OPEC refraining from cutting oil output to stem the five-month plunge in prices, it's adding to the supply glut.
There Are 300,000 Iraqi Barrels Signaling Oil Glut Will Deepen - Bloomberg
Who lose with the glut?

Russia!

EU is laughing to Christmas? Are you aware what Russian oil means to the EU?

Read and quit being QuickGun Murugan.
 
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By wanting to 'punish' Russia, the West along with Saudis have gone into an overdrive to cut prices. It is rock bottom these days.
This is pure speculation. There's no proof that Saudi's and Americans are coordinating to punish Russia. Maybe on the part of Saudi they may be targeting Iran.


I recommend, since you are not well read, to note why the US went into Iraq. One of the reasons was to break the hold of the OPEC cartel.
Iraq is an OPEC country...


Let me educate you.
Haven't you considered that the worst hit by the declining oil prices is Iraq? They have to pump oil because they desperately need money more than the otehr OPEC countries.


Oil is a 'weapon of war', OPEC is dominated by the Saudis and US controls the Saudis. Once there is no control of oil production, there will be a glut in the market and the prices will drop QED.
The rise of Canadian and American shale oils have vastly eroded the power of OPEC to dictate World oil prices. Besides, I don;t think the Saudi's are completely under the control of the Americans (reminds me of the 70's oil shock by OPEC).



Who lose with the glut?

Russia!
And all oil producing countries and private energy companies (a lot of them are American companies).


EU is laughing to Christmas? Are you aware what Russian oil means to the EU?

Read and quit being QuickGun Murugan.
Sir, EU is laughing all the way to Christmas because lower oil prices means plus for European balance of account and Billions of Euros in savings to European consumers and non-energy companies, which translates to more disposable money, which translates to more consumer spending which is good for business.
 
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Drive down russian economy enough and putin's own people will revolt against him.
 

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This is pure speculation. There's no proof that Saudi's and Americans are coordinating to punish Russia. Maybe on the part of Saudi they may be targeting Iran.


Iraq is an OPEC country...

Haven't you considered that the worst hit by the declining oil prices is Iraq? They have to pump oil because they desperately need money more than the otehr OPEC countries.

The rise of Canadian and American shale oils have vastly eroded the power of OPEC to dictate World oil prices. Besides, I don;t think the Saudi's are completely under the control of the Americans (reminds me of the 70's oil shock by OPEC).

And all oil producing countries and private energy companies (a lot of them are American companies).


Sir, EU is laughing all the way to Christmas because lower oil prices means plus for European balance of account and Billions of Euros in savings to European consumers and non-energy companies, which translates to more disposable money, which translates to more consumer spending which is good for business.
Speculation for those who are myopic about the world and unidirectional.

When there is a glut in oil, why should the US increase its production or the OPEC?

On a suicidal bid? Who kills a golden goose? US economy is in a shamble and they are finding it difficult to keep pace with China in all aspects.

Reason for Iraq War
By invading Iraq, Bush has taken over the Iraqi oil fields, and persuaded the UN to lift production limits imposed after the Kuwait war. Production may rise to 3m barrels a day by year end, about double 2002 levels. More oil should bring down Opec-led prices, and if Iraqi oil production rose to 6m barrels a day, Bush could even attack the Opec oil-pricing cartel.
John Chapman: The real reasons Bush went to war | World news | The Guardian
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/
 

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This is pure speculation. There's no proof that Saudi's and Americans are coordinating to punish Russia. Maybe on the part of Saudi they may be targeting Iran.


Iraq is an OPEC country...

Haven't you considered that the worst hit by the declining oil prices is Iraq? They have to pump oil because they desperately need money more than the otehr OPEC countries.

The rise of Canadian and American shale oils have vastly eroded the power of OPEC to dictate World oil prices. Besides, I don;t think the Saudi's are completely under the control of the Americans (reminds me of the 70's oil shock by OPEC).

And all oil producing countries and private energy companies (a lot of them are American companies).


Sir, EU is laughing all the way to Christmas because lower oil prices means plus for European balance of account and Billions of Euros in savings to European consumers and non-energy companies, which translates to more disposable money, which translates to more consumer spending which is good for business.
Speculation for those who are myopic about the world and unidirectional.

When there is a glut in oil, why should the US increase its production or the OPEC?

On a suicidal bid? Who kills a golden goose? US economy is in a shamble and they are finding it difficult to keep pace with China in all aspects.

Reason for Iraq War
By invading Iraq, Bush has taken over the Iraqi oil fields, and persuaded the UN to lift production limits imposed after the Kuwait war. Production may rise to 3m barrels a day by year end, about double 2002 levels. More oil should bring down Opec-led prices, and if Iraqi oil production rose to 6m barrels a day, Bush could even attack the Opec oil-pricing cartel.
John Chapman: The real reasons Bush went to war | World news | The Guardian
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil - CNN.com
 

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Speculation for those who are myopic about the world and unidirectional.
As expected, another ad hominem. It is always better to be honest, especially when you are wrong.


When there is a glut in oil, why should the US increase its production or the OPEC?
You have to study more the US energy business, in particular the entrepreneurial shale drillers. They are not being controlled by the US government.

OPEC on the other hand has decided with Russia not to cut back production:

Russia Won't Cut Oil Production - Businessweek

OPEC Votes Not To Cut Production, Oil Prices Plummet - Business Insider


On a suicidal bid? Who kills a golden goose? US economy is in a shamble and they are finding it difficult to keep pace with China in all aspects.
The US economy is in shambles and it is the only developed economy that is able to increase its GDP this year... I suggest you read more on this.


Reason for Iraq War
In case you don't know, China is the biggest beneficiary of the Iraq War and Iraqi oil... But yes oil has always been the major reason for the US invasion of Iraq, that's why there was massive opposition then against it, especially in our country.

In any case, you cannot really fault Iraq for ramping up production right now as they need oil revenues to reconstruct their country (and now to fight ISIS). You should be asking more on why is Russia not encouraging or agreeing with OPEC to cut back production? (Clue: this is the same justification for Saudi's refusal to cut back production)
 

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Here's the latest from OPEC:

OPEC will stand by its decision not to cut crude output even if oil prices fall as low as $40 a barrel and will wait at least three months before considering an emergency meeting, the United Arab Emirates' energy minister said.
"We are not going to change our minds because the prices went to $60 or to $40," Mazrouei told Bloomberg at a conference in Dubai. "We're not targeting a price; the market will stabilize itself." He said current conditions don't justify an extraordinary OPEC meeting. "We need to wait for at least a quarter" to consider an urgent session, he said.
U.A.E. Sees OPEC Output Unchanged Even If Oil Falls to $40 - Bloomberg

Behind the lines: OPEC will wait for the aggressive American shale drillers' operations to be completely idled due to non-existent margins...
 
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Here's the latest from OPEC:





bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-14/u-a-e-says-opec-won-t-change-output-even-if-price-drops-to-40.html]U.A.E. Sees OPEC Output Unchanged Even If Oil Falls to $40 - Bloomberg[/url]

Behind the lines: OPEC will wait for the aggressive American shale drillers' operations to be completely idled due to non-existent margins...

hmmmm, if the oil prices fall to $40/barrel, then its simply means that it would then fall below $30/barrel too, isn't it? joking .....
 
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i just been to russia when 1.0 Rubel was around 1.9 Indian Rupees, while its approaching at par to Indian Rupees at present...... look like i spent at least 1.5 lakh rupees more...
x-rates.com/graph/?from=USD&to=RUB&amount=1.00
we find only Indian Rupees strong at present :ranger:

Russia is now the only oil exporting country where its producers aren't affected by fall of oil prices, as at least 50% more they are making in terms of its Rubel value in international market....

while inflation of Russia also isn't affected that much, rising from around 6.5% few months before to hardly 9.1% at present, even if Ruble depreciation might have certainly increased prices of imported products.
(hence benefiting the home industries, mainly to food industries, this way too, true....)

tradingeconomics.com/russia/inflation-cpi
 
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here we have a month old news as below :ranger:
Russia Exporters Rally on Micex as Ruble Slide Boosts Outlook

Russian stocks rose to a one-month high led by OAO Gazprom as oil jumped and the ruble's slide to repeated records boosted the outlook for the nation's exporters. :ranger:

Russia gets half its budget revenue from oil and gas industries, and energy companies have benefited from the ruble's 23 percent drop versus the dollar this year because they're paid in foreign currency and their costs are in rubles. :thumb:

Russia Exporters Rally on Micex as Ruble Slide Boosts Outlook - Bloomberg
 

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Here's the latest from OPEC:





U.A.E. Sees OPEC Output Unchanged Even If Oil Falls to $40 - Bloomberg

Behind the lines: OPEC will wait for the aggressive American shale drillers' operations to be completely idled due to non-existent margins...
If US can impose anti dumping duty on Chinese solar panel companies then why can't they do the same on oil imports? Why can't US Govt. help shale oil companies by imposing huge tax on oil imports and using that money for subsidising petroleum products? That will help shale oil companies without causing problems to consumers.

In normal condition demand for biofuel will reduce when oil price goes down. I think our Govt. is planning to use some profit from low oil price to buy biofuel at higher rates. Why can't US Govt. also do similar things i.e. use low rate for oil imports to help shale oil companies.
 

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If US can impose anti dumping duty on Chinese solar panel companies then why can't they do the same on oil imports? Why can't US Govt. help shale oil companies by imposing huge tax on oil imports and using that money for subsidising petroleum products? That will help shale oil companies without causing problems to consumers.

In normal condition demand for biofuel will reduce when oil price goes down. I think our Govt. is planning to use some profit from low oil price to buy biofuel at higher rates. Why can't US Govt. also do similar things i.e. use low rate for oil imports to help shale oil companies.
That would be against trade agreements. The US is only able to impose duties on Chinese solar panels is because the Chinese government is subsidizing its solar manufacturers to have an unfair advantage against US private solar manufacturers.There's no similar charge of dumping on oil imports to the US. Besides, I don't think it's in US' long term interest to be subsidizing oil producers.

Sorry, I don't understand your take on biofuels.
 

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As expected, another ad hominem. It is always better to be honest, especially when you are wrong.




You have to study more the US energy business, in particular the entrepreneurial shale drillers. They are not being controlled by the US government.

OPEC on the other hand has decided with Russia not to cut back production:

Russia Won't Cut Oil Production - Businessweek

OPEC Votes Not To Cut Production, Oil Prices Plummet - Business Insider




The US economy is in shambles and it is the only developed economy that is able to increase its GDP this year... I suggest you read more on this.




In case you don't know, China is the biggest beneficiary of the Iraq War and Iraqi oil... But yes oil has always been the major reason for the US invasion of Iraq, that's why there was massive opposition then against it, especially in our country.

In any case, you cannot really fault Iraq for ramping up production right now as they need oil revenues to reconstruct their country (and now to fight ISIS). You should be asking more on why is Russia not encouraging or agreeing with OPEC to cut back production? (Clue: this is the same justification for Saudi's refusal to cut back production)
I regret that quite a few do not understand the meaning of English words and instead gives in to their insecurity by stating that it is 'ad hominem'

I regret having to teach English just to ensure the records are right.

'Myopic' means Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking . I reiterate that you do not see issues holistically and instead latch onto a morsel of the issue and become Quickgun Murugan.

'Unidirectional' means moving or operating in a single direction. Indeed, you are since you do not see issues holistically.

So where is this ad hominem?

Remainder of your contentions are not worth the explanation since you are myopic and unidirectional and so it would only be wasting my time.

You have to understand how OPEC functions and how OPEC caused the oil crisis whenever it suited them and why Bush wanted to smash their vice like grip. They are all available on the internet.
 

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That would be against trade agreements. The US is only able to impose duties on Chinese solar panels is because the Chinese government is subsidizing its solar manufacturers to have an unfair advantage against US private solar manufacturers.There's no similar charge of dumping on oil imports to the US. Besides, I don't think it's in US' long term interest to be subsidizing oil producers.

Sorry, I don't understand your take on biofuels.
Why Saudi is selling oil at lower rate to US compared to rate at which they sell oil to Asian countries? This discount is the main reason why US WTI crude is trading at lower rate compared to brent crude. I never support subsidising petroleum products using tax payers money. But what is wrong with subsidising petroleum products using extra tax earned from oil imports?

Please check below links. Instead of passing full benefit from lower oil price to consumers Govt. increased tax from oil sector and increased spending money for alternate energy.
Government fixes Rs 48.5-49.5 price for ethanol procurement by oil marketing companies - Economic Times
Excise Duty on Petrol, Diesel Raised; No Impact on Prices - NDTVProfit.com
Exclusive: India to reap $12 billion-plus budget windfall from oil slide - sources | Reuters
Narendra Modi government's big solar push: Several power projects announced - The Economic Times
 

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