Pak is Russia's 'most important' partner in South Asia: Putin

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Pak is Russia's 'most important' partner in South Asia: Putin


Moscow: Pakistan is Russia's "most important" partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Monday during a meeting with his Pakistani counterpart in St Petersburg.


"Pakistan today is not an important trade and economic partner of Russia, but also most important Russian partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world," Putin was quoted as saying at his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.





The two met on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) prime-ministerial meet in St Petersburg, ITAR-TASS reported.


Welcoming Gilani, Putin said he was happy to see him in Russia and his hometown St Petersburg, though he had met him earlier in other countries.


He also confirmed Moscow's readiness to invest $500 million on the CASA-1000 electric transmission line to supply Pakistan with the Central Asian power from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.


With deterioration of Islamabad's ties with Washington, Moscow is seeking a closer relationship with India's arch-rival with the blessing of China — Pakistan's "all-weather" friend.


This Russian shift in South Asia policy where India had always been Moscow's main partner is reflection of apprehensions over New Delhi-Washington relationship turning into a military-political alliance to block Russia and China's interests in the region.


Moscow also believes that the key to the stability in Russia's soft belly — Central Asia — is ties with Islamabad, which has the potential of creating mischief along and inside the borders of the former Russian empire.


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Putin is of his rocker. Pakistan is the country that handed them their defeat in Afghanistan.
 

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Finally the wish of many Pakistanis has come true. Now they can have topol-m and Borei class subs.:rofl::rofl:
 

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In the dawn newspaper it was quoted that putin said pakistan is an important partner and not most important partner, which is fine with me. You cannot compare india's relation with russia as the same with pakistan. India will always be 100 times ahead,
 

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Perfect example of interests guiding national policies. Those who think Russia is India's all weather friend.

Russia today has only one thing, some advanced tech but it's not the power it used to be. It wants to be relevant in international politics but it can't alone these days. So it might forge a partnership with china and as an extension Pakistan. Not good news for India IF India keeps dilly dallying on choosing its ally for the 21st century and then firmly going the whole hog. The neuter here or there thingy is going to hurt India bad.

Pakistan will more than lap up opportunity of getting Russian arms. India need to be careful abou future policy.
 

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I wonder if Russia will partner China.

It would only mean having great a Fiery Dragon breathing down Russia neck.

Given the penchant of China's desire to grab land and declaring earlier treaties as 'unequal', there are many areas in Russia that China covets and which by treaty has become Russia.

Russia will assist China to that extent that it starts posing a threat to the US so much so that both get into an arms race with its consequences.

Warming up with Pakistan with mere words is building up a base so that Russia can re-enter Afghanistan for economic gains, once the US leaves. This would be a prudent step since Pakistan controls the terrorist hordes that are running wild in Afghanistan.
 

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Brigadier,

The Russians have been allies with the Chinese before in 1969, and even gave them Nuclear tech. Nope, they dont have any issue with the Chinese, as well as border agreement is taken into account.
 

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Pak is Russia's 'most important' partner in South Asia: Putin


Nov 8, 2011


Moscow: Pakistan is Russia's "most important" partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Monday during a meeting with his Pakistani counterpart in St Petersburg.

"Pakistan today is not an important trade and economic partner of Russia, but also most important Russian partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world," Putin was quoted as saying at his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
Putin and Gilani

With deterioration of Islamabad's ties with Washington, Moscow is seeking a closer relationship with India's arch-rival with the blessing of China — Pakistan's "all-weather" friend. AFP

The two met on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) prime-ministerial meet in St Petersburg, ITAR-TASS reported.

Welcoming Gilani, Putin said he was happy to see him in Russia and his hometown St Petersburg, though he had met him earlier in other countries.

He also confirmed Moscow's readiness to invest $500 million on the CASA-1000 electric transmission line to supply Pakistan with the Central Asian power from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

With deterioration of Islamabad's ties with Washington, Moscow is seeking a closer relationship with India's arch-rival with the blessing of China — Pakistan's "all-weather" friend.

Pak is Russia's 'most important' partner in South Asia: Putin | Firstpost
 

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Russians partnering pakistanis is same like israel allying with iran in the current period.

Lets see what comes out of this new partner , next time a bomb goes off in dagestan , ingusetia and cechnya the partnership will melt away.

Lol partnership with a nation who exports terror to your lands. its not even smart geopolitics , its juts a message to india to send some orders their way soon
 

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Brigadier,

The Russians have been allies with the Chinese before in 1969, and even gave them Nuclear tech. Nope, they dont have any issue with the Chinese, as well as border agreement is taken into account.
Excerpts from Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour, China | World news | The Observer

Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour
But while China and Russia have much in common, including a mutual fear of separatism and Islamic radicalism, there are also signal differences. Despite last week's exercises, and a visit to Russia by Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, in June, politicians in Moscow harbour a deep-seated fear of China - in particular, of Chinese encroachment.

Russian TV recently claimed that Beijing has drawn up a secret plan. According to this top-secret blueprint, China is determined to grab back Russia's remote, but vast, far east region. China's strategy includes persuading migrants to settle in Russia, marry local women and steal or co-opt local businesses.

Russia's far east has always been the most strategically vulnerable part of Moscow's fissiparous imperium, in what is the world's biggest country. Some 6,100km (3,800 miles) and an eight-hour flight from Moscow, the far east is home to just 6.5 million Russian citizens. Next door, across the Amur river in north-eastern China, there are 107 million Chinese. Given this demographic imbalance, there is a primordial fear in the Russian imagination that China will eventually try to steal back the Europe-sized far east of Russia - a region rich in mineral resources, trees, coal and fish. The salmon alone are an attractive target. A quarter of the world's Pacific salmon spawn in the volcanic Kamchatka peninsula. According to the Russian TV scenario, Beijing is furtively plotting to undo the Russian colonisation of the Pacific coastal region, started in the 18th century by tsarist-era adventurers. The area's original inhabitants were Chinese. These early nomads eked out a meagre living while dodging the tigers that still haunt the Sikhote-Alin mountains.

In reality, the relationship is far more fascinating than the baseless fears of Russia's nationalists. Over the past decade the number of Chinese migrants working in Russia's far east has actually fallen. In Moscow, the authorities have recently shut down the capital's enormous Cherkizovsky market, turfing thousands of Chinese out of a job. The huge bazaar was home to Chinese traders selling billions of dollars-worth of grey-sector goods. (According to China's Xinhua agency, losses from Wenzhou in Zhejiang province alone amount to more than $800m, after Russian police confiscated their stocks.) Some 150 Chinese workers have been deported since the market was closed on 29 June.

Most experts believe China's own strategic goals do not include Russia's far east, or primitive territorial expansion. Instead Beijing's priorities lie elsewhere. They include development, reunification with Taiwan and internal stability, which experts suggest is more of a priority than ever following last month's ethnic riots against Han Chinese in Xinjiang.

According to Dr Bobo Lo, a lecturer on Chinese-Russian relations at the Centre for European Reform, Beijing's real challenge to Moscow is rather different. He argues that the rise of China will lead to the "steady marginalisation of Russia from regional and global decision-making". The Chinese do not want to invade Russia militarily because, he points out, they would lose.

Any loss of influence would alarm the Kremlin, which still sees itself as a major global power. Over the past nine years, under president and then prime minister Vladimir Putin, Russia has worked hard to recover its superpower status. However, few outside Moscow doubt that the main challenge to the United States's increasingly wobbly global and economic hegemony comes not from Putin's Moscow but Hu's Beijing.



"In 1969 China and Russia fought a war over one of these river islands," Udenka explains, sitting in his captain's cabin and steering in the middle of the river. "It was a small war. Now there are good relations between Russia and China. We trust each other," he adds, in broken Chinese.



The problem of what to do with the far east has long exercised Moscow's leadership. The Soviet Union offered generous subsidies to cajole workers and young couples to start a new life here. They got higher salaries, career opportunities, and flats. There were also cheap air fares back to European Russia. The incentives were needed given the region's harsh climate - scorching summers and freezing winters, with January temperatures regularly falling below -30C.

However, after the demise of the Soviet Union this system collapsed. With a ticket to Moscow now costing £500 return, a new generation has grown up with weaker ties to the capital. Instead of visiting St Petersburg, local Russians are more likely to holiday in China - travelling by bus to the Chinese seaside resort of Dalian and other destinations in China's north east.

Gradually, Asiatic Russians are getting to know their neighbours better. Farther down the Amur in the border town of Blagoveshchensk, Russian pensioners have even started buying up apartments on the Chinese side of the river. Other young Russians head west: since the early 1990s the Russian far east's population has plunged by 1.6 million. This exodus is a source of increasing worry for the Kremlin. On Friday Putin travelled to Khabarovsk to unveil a new pipeline stretching from the Russian island of Sakhalin to Khabarovsk and the far eastern port of Vladivostok. The pipeline will take gas to China, Japan and South Korea - part of an attempt to stimulate the region's economy.

In June, during his trip to Russia, Hu attended a summit of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, and held talks in Moscow with Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, which led to the signing of a massive oil deal. He also had tea with Putin. The deal reinforced China's growing economic influence in the region, and its emergence as a competitor with Russia for Central Asia's energy reserves.

In Khabarovsk, meanwhile, few locals see much prospect of the far east breaking away from Moscow. Despite improved understanding between China and Russia, the cultures remain too different. (The Chinese see the Russians as western-centric.) In Khabarovsk, the last stop on the Trans-Siberian Railway before Vladivostok, nobody is talking about secessionism.

"I've had a few relationships with Russian girls. But I'll end up marrying a Chinese one," says Tsi Ke, 25, who has lived for the past decade in Khabarovsk. Tsi owns a thriving Chinese restaurant, where blonde Russian waitresses wear Chinese dresses. He adds: "In China we believe a wife should stay at home a lot and be like a daughter to your own parents. For us, marriage isn't just between two people but between two families."

A more pressing problem for the Kremlin is the growing estrangement between Russia's western and eastern halves. Resentment of Moscow and its far-away bureaucrats is rising. There have been grassroots protests in Khabarovsk and in Vladivostok after Moscow raised duties on second-hand Japanese cars late last year, killing off a major regional business. Anti-Kremlin protests are continuing.

In May, Medvedev dropped into Khabarovsk for an EU-Russia summit. (The venue - 10 hours' flight from Brussels - was apparently chosen by Russia to punish the EU's pampered representatives, several of whom fell asleep during sessions).

Medvedev flatteringly described the far east as his "favourite part" of Russia, and expressed sympathy with students too broke to travel to Moscow. This summer the Kremlin has introduced a scheme offering some discounted tickets to the under-23s.

It remains to be seen whether the scheme will make much difference. In reality, though, successive governments in Moscow have done little to develop the far east - making the region susceptible to civic unrest and discontent. The region suffers from "long-term neglect by Moscow" and "appalling corruption and misgovernment at regional level", Bobo Lo says.

Despite last week's show of unity during military manoeuvres, the relationship between Beijing and Moscow is no longer one of equals. Russia may see China as an important strategic counterweight to the US - with whom it is currently in conflict over a range of issues, including the planned US missile defence shield in central Europe.

But the Chinese know that it is they, and not Putin's Russia, who are destined to become the world's newest superpower. And according to Bobo Lo, China is not interested in allowing strategic accommodation with Moscow to disrupt Beijing's more important partnership with Washington. "Washington is still the world's only indispensable partner," he notes.

A history of tension

"¢ Throughout much of the cold war Beijing and Moscow were enemies. However, Stalin had encouraged and financed Mao Zedong's revolution, recognising his communist People's Republic in October 1949. The partnership survived Stalin's death and the early Khrushchev years.

"¢ In 1959 the two countries squabbled over which should lead the world communist movement, an ideological quarrel replicated in communist parties across Asia and Africa. Khrushchev's decision to back down during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis also needled Mao.

"¢ In March 1969 tensions exploded when Russia and China fought a brief war in Russia's far east over the disputed Damansky island (now known as Zhenbao), close to Khabarovsk.

"¢ Tensions continued in the 1970s and 1980s, especially after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, pictured above. Détente only became possible after the Soviet Union's demise.

"¢ Over the past two decades relations between Beijing and the Russian Federation have improved, with booming trade, agreement on many international issues, and growing military co-operation. In 2004 Russia settled a long-running border dispute with China, handing over Tarabarov island in the Amur river, and half of another large island, Bolshoy Ussuriysky.

"¢ China's rise, however, is likely to place increasing strain on the relationship. Experts believe that, as China becomes a world superpower, Russia's influence will diminish - a fate the Kremlin is unlikely to accept.
 
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India has to purchase high end technology for many good reasons from someone, if not Russia. it would be too greedy and low of them, pressurizing India by doing such petty lip service to Pakistan (If that is the case) given how much we have already committed to many good projects.
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However India has already shown Russia what we are trying to achieve. The shift is quite visible. Also India shouldn't be distracted by these Pakistan's full of Inferiority complex gestures of symbolic/diplomatic tricks to pocket Russia. Pakistan showed urgency recently when she saw an American onslaught inevitable on gradual exposure of their complicity. They think that at some point Russia may be able to check (diplomatically) American offences (when all of their Lahori Logic to USA will exhaust).
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Now what Pakistan or Russia be able to gain from each other? Even with India providing hard earned liquid money they are not able to deliver in time, what bankrupt Pakistan be able to offer Russian Industries is everyone's good guess.
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As far as over hyped SCO is concern then first CAR region and Russia should dug more wells and produce more oil to make India desperate for the partnership. The CAR and Russia is not going to come down at Karachi ports for middle east oil because they are just producing enough for themselves. Neither Pakistan is an Industrial power house or manufacturing giant nor its citizens have purchasing power to buy CAR or Russian products including weapons. If Pakistan wants to partner with Russia and waste its diplomatic resources just to tease India then India wouldn't mind seeing them engaging in a zero sum game and in the meantime (India) focusing on regions of acute importance like South east Asia, Europe, Africa and USA.
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Interestingly if one thinks that they will benefit from Russian engines then first they are already getting it via China second they must have better jet to host these engines to reach at parity with IAF.
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Pakistan has been shopping/accessing/smuggling weapons from black market from countries once part of USSR. Just recently Russia captured a large cache of such weapon material meant for Pakistan. These countries have provided cruise missile technology to China which was then transferred/co-developed with Pakistan (as they provided Patriot missile to China) without honouring MTCR by China (Read Babur). Such technology from Russia may be a concern as they will be able to improvised their designs but given Russian record of honouring MTCR one may not be that concerned about the range at least.
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russia having a trade relationship, funding civilain projects of electricity is not a concern for me specifically over it giving any military aid ( it has not).

Pakistan is a done deal- its behind in India's rear view mirror, they can't stand up to the Indian military might. They are also headed down the road to a somali model-- terrorism as a national identity. Indians must shift their main focus to what is economic terrorism from china... China is more determental to India's future growth than PAK.
 

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Guys there is a difference between Ally and partner so just relax
 

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Putin is of his rocker. Pakistan is the country that handed them their defeat in Afghanistan.
Geo-politics my friend ... no hard feelings is the mantra.
The re-surging post cold war Russia needs new friends and their feud with Pakistan doesn't have the kind of roots ours has.
Besides this is just lip service, I'd wait and watch how far Putin goes in reality.

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This is smart geo-politics. Putin knows that over-emotionally imbalanced Pakistanis will melt with these words and give them good opportunities to do business and salvage whatever is left of Pakistani economy. Let's face it; Rusky weapons don't come free with a little AID tag. China cannot keep buying Russian engines for Pakistan everytime the Greens come towards them with a begging bowl. That's partly the reason why they've stopped having hopes in Pakistan and have started taking the needling business to themselves. They know Pakistan will sink soon. If they did not test waters now, they will never know our capabilities which they're testing now.

Coming back to Putin, I don't think fighter jet engines should be a problem. Non-offensive weapons are the words here. It is pure business. We rejected MiG-35 and bunted Mi-28 Night Hunter because we didn't find them as requirements; If Russians can get valuable $$ that too in hundreds of millions for their economy that too from Chinese pocket for a failed state like Pakistan, I'd say we need to learn from Russians first how to manufacture hi-tech weapons and then how to make powerful nations spend their maal on behalf of failed states with no maan left. both on a non-offensive component of it. :lol:
 

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